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The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
Opinion: Games Like The Witcher 2 Are Dying, It's Up To Us To Save Them
Written Friday, April 27, 2012 By Lee Bradley
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The Witcher 2 isn't like other RPGs. It's willfully, almost stubbornly different, an exercise in creative power that not many studios could pull off. It is its own beast with its own voice and it's brilliant. But it's also a dying breed.

The sad thing is that despite The Witcher 2's bright and creative approach, games of its type are a rare phenomenon. Fantasy RPGs have been around almost as long as the game industry itself, of course, but increasingly few display The Witcher 2's levels of courage and commitment.

The risks of mainstream, AAA development are well documented. Games of this type cost so much that developers and publishers have to be sure that they will make their money back. They cannot take chances because if they get it wrong, they risk extinction. CD Projekt RED is one of the few studios capable of gambling.

Take The Witcher 2's splintered storyline. While other RPGs play lip-service to choice and consequence, The Witcher 2 dives fearlessly in. An entire third of the game, representing months of development time and millions in studio cash, can be bypassed on your first playthrough. Many gamers will never, ever see it.

Then there's the content. Whatever you think of The Witcher 2's sex scenes, of which there are many, what's laudable is how committed CD Projekt RED are to them. The developers made a choice to stay faithful to the often racy source material and they executed it without compromise. They stayed true to the vision.

What this results in is character. Coupled with its bawdy, earthy dialogue, memorable inhabitants and murky morality, The Witcher 2 stands alone, unique and proud of what it is. Meanwhile, many mainstream games copy what has gone before, locked in a world of focus testing and market research. We see so many shaven haired marines, post-apocalyptic wastelands and dull brown colour palettes for a reason: They are proven to sell.

Now, games that display these characteristics are not necessarily bad. Many of this generation's greatest experiences have built around these familiar tropes. Iteration is an important tool for progress. But when something as individual and fresh as The Witcher 2 comes along, it's our job as gamers to champion them, in the hope that publishers take notice.

We recently ran a piece discussing what we want from The Witcher 2's sequel. One of the requests was for better maps. The Witcher 2 has a poor map and an even worse mini-map. Yet as some commenters pointed out, it's things like this that make the game unique. The commenters were right.

The maps are a design choice, not a mistake. CD Projekt RED don't want you to be able to navigate the world easily. They don't want their game to be about dumbly following an arrow to a man with a giant exclamation mark above his head. Instead, they want you to explore and enjoy their beautifully crafted environment. They want you to feel like you are part of the world. And if that means getting lost every now and again, then fine. If you don't like it, you can go and play something else. Choose another game. The Witcher 2 doesn't want everyone to love it, it's confident in what it is.

Much of this stems from parent company CD Projekt's financial independence. A huge deal in their native Poland, the company rose to prominence as the central European publisher of titles like Baldur's Gate and Planetscape: Torment. A few savvy business decisions later - they own GOG.com - and they were able to form CD Projekt RED, a studio devoted to games development.

What all of this means is that they were able to make The Witcher series without searching for investment and without the need to compromise. At no point did they have an external businessman hovering over their shoulder, telling them what to do. They got to make the games they wanted to make, in the way they wanted to make them.

Very few studios have this kind of power. You could make an argument that Epic Games has, perhaps, but Valve are an easier comparison, with Steam affording the dev studio wing of the company some valuable creative breathing room. They stand alongside CD Projekt RED as one of the few studios capable of combining AAA clout with the creative outlook of an indie. It's a perfect, yet atypical mix.

We love big, expensive-looking games here at X360A. We want to see cutting edge visuals, massive set-pieces and huge, expansive adventures. We enjoy military FPSes, sci-fi epics and explosive action games set in post-apocalyptic wastelands. All that is great. But we also want them to be unique. We want them to stand out from the crowd.

That's why it's so important to support experiences like The Witcher 2. We should applaud them and celebrate them, raise them up above the rest. We need to ensure that they continue to be made, because the alternative is unthinkable. The Witcher 2 should represent the future of games, not the past. It's up to us to make that happen.



 
 

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Comment #1 by Wing Gundam Zero
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:06:56 PM
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Dark Souls


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Comment #2 by Killa12
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:11:34 PM
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REVIVE ME!!!!!


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Comment #3 by strawberry
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:12:14 PM
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Witcher 2 is probably the best western RPG game of this console generation (DA: Origins a close second). I`m so glad the 360 got the port. I`m loving every minute of this game.

@1 Dark souls is also great. But a different type of RPG.


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Comment #4 by BLQQDCQRE
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:12:49 PM
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Sometimes I lay in bed pretending to be a carrot. That will keep the Witcher away.


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Comment #5 by bob101910
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:16:15 PM
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Some kind of multiplayer, probably coop for a RPG, attracts a wider audience and increases replay value. Sacred 2 Fallen Angel is one of my favorite RPGs on the Xbox 360. There wasn't much advertising for it. It was one of those games that you buy when walking around Gamestop with friends looking for a cheap fun game to play together. Turned out being one of the best games on Xbox. It's not perfect, but it's loads of fun. If it didn't have coop, I would have never of bought it.


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Comment #6 by NINJANUT
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:16:16 PM
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I could not agree more the game is a masterpiece and deserves the time and effort spent, I applaud the commitment to bring it to the Xbox as it is, my only complaint is that to find a few hours at it every time I play! Congratulations CDproject Red you deserve it


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Comment #7 by Infomouse
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:16:26 PM
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So long as CD Projeckt Red can maintain their individuality as a games developer, they will have my full support.


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Comment #8 by Blue Thunder28
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:19:41 PM
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After Witcher 2 on 360's success Warner Bros will buy them out and release Witcher 3 with Day 1 DLC you only get for buying the game new and they'll release a bunch of DLC for Arena mode only.

/just kidding (sort of)


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Comment #9 by BLQQDCQRE
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:20:12 PM
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Western games are ever so boring. . . . Yawn, zzzzzzz. . . . So boring. Just saying the word Western makes me yawn.


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Comment #10 by HugTheBear
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:23:42 PM
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I'm supposed to buy it this week at some point. So, I will be supporting this game :)


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Comment #11 by BLQQDCQRE
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:27:38 PM
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The graphics look horrible. Looks like the Nintendo WeeWee made this.


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Comment #12 by A 7thProduction
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:28:55 PM
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@9 Then fuck off to the other side of the world.
On a brighter note. I wanna give the game a try now. I never even knew it was an RPG and I do love a good RPG. I always assumed it what some action shooter or something and immediately wrote it off my to buy list. Would many recommend a buy?


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Comment #13 by pined5551
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:30:13 PM
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@4/9 Your pointless comments are boring! Sod off!


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Comment #14 by francisrossi
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:30:25 PM
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@5 - A good game has no need to tack multiplayer on to "increase replay value". The first two Mass Effects, for instance, had a ridiculous amount of replay value.


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Comment #15 by ITIGHOSTITI
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:30:41 PM
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One of the best games I have ever played... Glad i didn't pass it up.


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Comment #16 by M1 Punk
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:31:09 PM
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I'm buying this game once I'm done with Deus Ex & Resident Evil 5.

PC "Gamers" pretty much stabbed the developers in the back by pirating this game. Over 4 million illegal downloads I believe. No wonder they were forced to port it to the 360 in order to make some money.


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Comment #17 by ThaMyth
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:31:33 PM
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story is great. characters are great. gameplay is great. Theres few gripes to be had with Witcher 2. I did not get to play the first game for lack of a PC with any game playing capabilities, but i dont feel im missing too much because this game strived to set you up from the go. Having some knowledge of the lore in the game is greatly covered by explanation videos on the extras menus and various online resources you can look up yourself. A game like this is few and far between. I really feel like i have gotten my $60 worth and more as i am now on my 2nd run of the game and taking completely new routes. We need more games like Witcher that arent so mainstreamed, a true gem.


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Comment #18 by HalfEVILmonkey
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:51:51 PM
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Played it on PC and it is a pretty amazing game. But I think it didn't translate well to consoles.


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Comment #19 by HitmanForHire
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:52:29 PM
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I may need to look into this game now! My only concern is finding the time to play it and truly enjoy it for the masterpiece it seems to be!


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Comment #20 by BeheldBryan
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 05:54:16 PM
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Honestly, I hated some of the changes they made from the first game to the second. I'd probably say I liked the first game more for the most part.


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Comment #21 by stealth20k
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 06:03:18 PM
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"We love big, expensive-looking games here at X360A. We want to see cutting edge visuals, massive set-pieces and huge, expansive adventures."


You make gamers sound bad dude


stop generalizing sensationalizing and acting like such a graphics whore


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Comment #22 by cstbrophy
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 06:28:56 PM
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#22 this is an achievement whore website. we already look bad by being here


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Comment #23 by Xero Shinobi
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 06:32:08 PM
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I think about it every night. I wanted my future to be with games like this, but by the time I pass the courses needed to actually begin creating games like this I fear this genre will be dead. Then I have nothing really :/


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Comment #24 by Webb [STAFF]
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 06:49:39 PM
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@#21 - Say what? The same goes in Hollywood... you wouldn't go to see Transformers otherwise. Graphics help immersion. End of story. I'm a graphics whore. A lot of gamers are.


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Comment #25 by calrabjohns
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 07:15:57 PM
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There's just one thing I wish they had considered when porting it to 360: a limited NGP in the vein of Alpha Protocol. Geralt already overcame amnesia in the first game when it came to his abilities and even fragments of his life. I think if they had given players with a second playthrough of this game and further six free points to dump in the Training tree that it would only strengthen experimentation and not break the balance. They even did as much when you were playing the tutorial (another thing that could be improved on very simply: don't bounce me out after dying once on the first enemy of the first wave---I clearly need help lol).

I mention the NGP thing wherever I post in the futile hopes that someone at CDPR will see this and agree. If nothing else, please do this for Witcher 3 and port of the first ;)

Other than that, one of my new favorite developers and everything they make herein is a Day 1 purchase irrespective of any quibbles.


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Comment #26 by Fishcracker
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 07:22:59 PM
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@5/9 and anybody else that says its western, it is european, just like the makers of Divinity and Sacred. They are Polish,German and also from Belgium. That isn't exactly what I would call western.


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Comment #27 by calrabjohns
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 07:38:09 PM
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Then you're not much of a Rudyard Kipling person are you.

"East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet."

When contrasting the cultures, long before video games, the West was always meant to be Europe/America and the East being Asia. Whoever says this is a wRPG is still correct. Not to mention time bears this out. We Yanks are and will always be the new kid on the block.


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Comment #28 by treo9
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 07:49:16 PM
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Did not no anything about this game until it came out on the 360, but i sure do now a brilliant expierence, the maps did screw with my head a bit but then i realized thats how they would of looked like in a time like this and it made it feel okay to get lost. CD Projekt RED you did a amazing job probably the best RPG i have played can not wait for the next installment.


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Comment #29 by NeoSant
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 07:51:48 PM
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I Totally Agree.

I really want to get this game but this game didn't came out in April for a lot of countrys, I dont know what happened. At least I have to wait a month. :(


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Comment #30 by linktriforce007
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 07:56:54 PM
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Only companies that know how to make a quality movie/RPG are the japanese. Always been that way. Always will be.


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Comment #32 by sleepydumbdude
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 08:57:26 PM
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I bought it mainly to support and thank them for bringing it to the consoles.


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Comment #33 by GRIM REAPER 25
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 09:16:10 PM
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the witcher 2 is awesome glad it came on the 360 bc ill nvr b a pc gamer


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Comment #34 by GodAnnihilation
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 09:27:43 PM
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I fully agree with everything in this article. I miss RPG's like this. I used to be a massive Final Fantasy fan boy. I started properly gaming at 7 and played FF IX at the age of 10. I had had no experience with RPG's at this age and the only reason i got the game was because Zidane had a monkeys tail and this made me want the game (sad i know but i was 10) I grew to love the game and finished the storyline after about 60 hours and around 4-6 month after receiving my copy. I understood the majority of the game and went on to purchase 8 and 7 then 1,2,4,5&6 for the ps1 when they were re-released, i still play them today. They defined RPG's for me and imo FF went downhill since FF X and never recovered. After Square-Enix announced the were making FF XIII i knew i had to get it, even tho at this stage it was a PS3 exclusive and was planning to buy a 360. I was overjoyed after i found out it was coming to 360 a few years later and got stupidly excited for it only for it to be the single most disappointing thing in my life. I was furious. I had little hope for FF XIII-2 but got it anyway and yes it was better imo but still lacking the RPG-ness i had grown to love. The Witcher 2 has been the only RPG i have played since the days of the ps1 that has been superb. I will be purchasing a copy of The Witcher 1 & 2 for PC just because the game is that amazing. Please bring these kind of RPG's back that dont have it blindingly obvious where to go and what to find and so on. This is a dying breed of games and i believe that we, as gamers, can change that. So lets support this game to the maximum of our abilities and show developers what we really want in RPG's.
Oh and sorry for the long post =)


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Comment #35 by ATOMICKILA3000
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 10:06:04 PM
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I just started playing RPG's and I've really enjoyed them. I've only played two so far(Skyrim and Kingdoms of Amalur),but I really liked both of them. Can someone tell me some details about this game?
I don't want to buy this game just to later find out I don't like it.


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Comment #36 by dilbanger
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 10:39:29 PM
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Still trying 2 finish the 1st one on pc. Best 20 buks spent ever


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Comment #37 by Shiftie
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 10:39:32 PM
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@35 The Witcher is more or less an RPG with a more hands on combat system than most games, less button mashing and more paying attention (granted I play on Dark difficulty >.>). It's also very heavily based on story, like Skyrim, perhaps a bit more. It's also not much of a loot fest, like Amalur was, you can get some sweet items from particular enemies, but much of your upgrades come from crafting. All three of the games have pretty solid leveling skill sets and what not, so that's not much different.

All in all, I agree with the topic of the post: The Witcher 2 (and 1) are part of a group of games that is dying. I think another game I'd put into that group, representing a different genre, would be Metro 2033. Oddly enough both are Eastern European games..and based on books.


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Comment #38 by Shiftie
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 10:41:08 PM
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..and hopefully CDPR learns from the success the Witcher 2 had on consoles and finally go through with putting the first one on consoles, at least 360 :). They could totally do it by going the route Resident Evil 4 took and have it counted as an original Xbox game.


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Comment #39 by ATOMICKILA3000
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 11:29:47 PM
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@Shiftie Alright thanks. I might give this game a try considering I've only heard good things from it.


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Comment #40 by Hyperion318
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 11:41:25 PM
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Saying things like "it wants you to get lost" and "The Witcher 2 doesn't want everyone to love it, it's confident in what it is." is totally bogus. No offense but if people don't love it, then people don't buy it. And like you all ready stated if people don't buy it - the company goes under. And if the company goes under because people don't buy it (because people don't like getting lost, let's be honest it's frustrating) then guess what? It's not a "design choice" at that point - it's a design flaw.
I'm not saying that this is true (because it's not, despite the crappy maps this game has a great story and great combat that mostly make up for it) BUT I know several people who have returned/traded in/avoided this game simply because there's no direction. I'm not saying they wanted Fable's hand-holding shiny trail - but something.
Look at it this way; they want to immerse you into world and the characters, right? How the hell would Geralt of all people get lost trying to find some place? Seriously. Geralt should KNOW where most of this stuff is. By making a crappy map and getting lost I don't feel much like a badass mutant Witcher. I feel like more like the poor orphan child from Fable 2.


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Comment #41 by Kotkamies
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 12:25:11 AM
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@21 haha u said anal


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Comment #42 by PANIC ATTACK 10
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 12:36:10 AM
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the only thing i agree with, in this article, is the fact that great unknown games like this. get there due credit. i could care less about graphics & such. i grew up with the 70-80s consoles.

However, for the first time ever in gaming history. i now will say that the witcher2 has finally made gaming a true art. music,graphics,story,extra. all drawn you into the most realistic game i've ever played! in fact this will topple skyrim as the new GOTY. this IS a true masterpiece. i'm honoured to have it in my collection :) lets hope this is the start of somethinb wonderful. as games finally become a true artform. are finally not looked at as games. but something far more evovled. this game is a crucial cornerstone for games. it sets & redefines what games can & should be. great job guys on making this the most realistic game yet. i actually wept in the prolog near the end. the music really set the mood perfectly. this is now the only game installed to my HD. long live witcher2! GOTY!


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Comment #43 by Death shrimp X
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 01:10:21 AM
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I love RPG like this and Skyrim and such but if their dying its surely for a reason, things change you know


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Comment #44 by eiVaL
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 02:05:21 AM
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yeah fantasy/midevil games are so few and far between....

since 2011

Two Worlds II
Dragon Age II
First Templar
History Channel: Great Battles Medieval
Hunted:The Demons Forge
Dungeon Siege III
Dark Souls
Cursed Crusade
Lord of the Rings:War in the North
Elder Scrolls V:Skyrim
Kingdoms of Amalur:Reckoning
Witcher 2:Assassins of Kings

COMING OUT WITHIN THE NEXT 3 MONTHS:

Game of Thrones
Dragons Dogma
Risen 2:Dark Waters
Port Royale 3:Pirates & Merchants


OH MY WHAT EVER WILL A FANTASY/MIDEVIL FAN DO WITH SUCH A DEPLETED CATALOG OF GAMES.....

theres been 5 Sci-Fi RPGs released in the entire lifepsan of the 360 so far, 3 Mass Effect's and the 2 Fallout's....theres 5 games in this so called Dying genre that will be out by summer this year alone not including the ones that i listed all came out since last year


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Comment #45 by Devil Sora
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 02:26:49 AM
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#44 I dont think you get what the article is about. . . ya sure theres been a shit ton of fantasy RPG's and ya it may not seem like a dying breed but the thing that IS dying is the lack of creativity. You name 2 games on that list in '11 that doesn't say "HEY GO HERE!!! GO HERE!!!!" Its the feeling you got the first time you played Legend of Zelda, you had this MASSIVE world to explore with tons of content and they just sorta . . . let you do your own thang, oh but bear in mind your supose to save Hyrule just. . . when you feel the time is right. Its expiriences like that that are falling through the cracks epic water cooler moments that cling on you for months.

I have regretablly not expirienced Witcher 2 for myself but after speaking with my brother I think its JUST the game we're looking for. In this day and age its rare to go out pick up a game and TRULEY say its "unique" its doing something "nobody has ever done" these terms are becoming more and more rare in the gaming universe and hopefully Witcher can make me want to slap myself for thinking such a thing. No matter what happens the next thing I purchase is Witcher 2: Assassin of Kings Enhanced Edition for the Xbox 360.

And to Webb/#21: Graphics are what make us initially interested in the game. If we saw a 2bit graphics for a FULL blown retail release on the 360 would you shell out $60 USD to buy a game with NES or hell even Atari graphics? If you would I'd call you either a liar or a damn fool, when you see a fine woman walking down the street do you say "Self. . . I wonder how fine her personality is?" No the initial thing that draws you in is how she walks, what shes wearing and other shit.

Graphics make or break a game and the only way graphics would NOT be applied to this is if it were infact a game like Mario 2D adventure because your not buying it for graphics your buying it for nostalgia.

I am a graphics whore XP


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Comment #46 by Samigi
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 02:58:58 AM
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Just give these games Call of Duty disguises, as in the front cover then they will be disappointed at first but then they will love RPG's after an hour = Good Business.


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Comment #47 by Sanchezz4387
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 03:05:48 AM
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Dark souls and demons souls are better than any AAA title released since 2009. Made on a fraction of te budget, gameplay on each game offers a minimum of 100+ hours in first playthrough, they look stunning, are completely new gameplay/story wise compared to anythjbg else this generation and dont churn out shit yearly spin offs like the triple a class. They also don't milk us with pointless dlc because tHey take the time to develop and love their games properly....games like that and witcher 2 are a dying breed you say? I don't think they are it's just so much attention and hype get given to the triple a games, games like these don't get word in edge ways.

Games like the witcher can be completely new experiences, something the gamers would love but it doesn't get acknowledged because games like CoD that do NOTHING to change the formula and bring in creativity or innovation get gushed over with 10/10 scores and dubbed the prodigy of gaming.

Rant over


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Comment #48 by Mr Chr15topher
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 03:15:01 AM
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I like all kinds of games , from CoD to Assassains creed, and RPG games are always the games that i go back to replay. I love how they feel, with their freeroaming, upgrades and choices, it always feels much more personal, and you bond more with the story and characters than in most other games. Its a shame that RPGs are so rare, but usually when one comes out it is amazing. Thats what i have seen anyway.


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Comment #49 by stevedb79
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 03:20:33 AM
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Dont charge me $40 for it then.


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Comment #50 by DecadentBeaver
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 04:01:28 AM
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I only found out the other day that it was an RPG, and it looks awesome. I love getting lost in these games, and don't want leading by the hand through it. Now this is on my must have list. Looking as good as it does, and hopefully having the hours, it should last.


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Comment #51 by Tomtam
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 04:17:15 AM
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I love RPGs and JRPGs but I have to wait for the price to drop with all the new games coming out all the time. I'm interested in Dragon's dogma and also gonna buy Kingdoms of Amalur someday.


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Comment #52 by Grummy
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 05:05:01 AM
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@44, you're missing the point, he's not saying specifically RPG's are dying out, he's saying innovation and creative freedom are because this industry has moved on from being run by passionate gamers who get to make games to being a mega money industry run by 'the suits', in this case, it's the publishers. Games cost a fortune to make and the returns are often risky, making every game a risky investment unless it is a proven commodity, it is why we see more sequels and less new ip's every year. This isn't something I lament too much as I am happy to play sequels to games I love, but if we were to lose new ip's entirely, the industry would die. So new ip's appear and they are variations on a theme, for example Fallout 3=Post Apoc wasteland, Borderlands and then Rage both look and feel the same. the gameplay is varied for each, but they're all still dancing around the same basic idea.
As it happens, I don't agree with a lot of the specifics of what is said in this article, but that is just details, his larger point is very valid.


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Comment #53 by Saracin
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 05:35:13 AM
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I think the real dying breed here is good JRPG's. I find it funny when the only good franchise was a series that was considered, and still is really, a niche series: Shin Megami Tensai.
Final Fantasy is tainted and going in the wrong direction, Dragon Quest is going MMO, the Tales franchise is limping along and only releases outside Japan once in a while, and NIS hasn't gotten out of the PS2 era and is releasing mediocre to passable games now with the occasional good Disgaea game. Even Level 5, who I loved on PS2, turned out 2 really bad RPG's in the White Knight Chronicles. Right now if I want good JRPG's I have to buy a WII FOR GOODNESS SAKE! WTF!? (Actually I own one, but you get the point)

I know some people won't agree with me, or find the exception to my complaints and use it, but this is a sign of things to come.


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Comment #54 by Shadow Warlock
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 06:00:04 AM
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You know you're living in a terrible world when games like The Witcher 2 with amazing visuals, fantastic story and brilliant gameplay don't sell as much as Call of Duty: Copy and Paste.


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Comment #55 by three15
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 07:55:38 AM
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The Witcher 2 is a good game but it's not a masterpiece. I've been playing awhile and i'm not drawn in by it at all, the quasi freedom spoils it for me, areas are relatively small and although the story is ok i feel having not played the Witcher i'm not really invested in it.

Sadly though @54 is right but then we all know 99% of games are aimed at teenage American boys, just look at the Dirt franchise, gone from a rallying game to a 'dude, sick, awesome' feast in order to boost sales, sad really from a UK company.


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Comment #56 by Septic
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 08:28:50 AM
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@55 I thought the guys in Dirt and x games usually talk like that even in real life?


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Comment #57 by Gackt
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 08:48:00 AM
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#5 has -20 for saying he likes co op rpgs? You people rating him down make me sick.


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Comment #58 by GreyTemplar
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 09:18:48 AM
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@35, if you want details on the game, read the review on site. But when it comes to a game like this, what you want are details on the world! I suggest picking up the books by Andrzej Sapkowski or check The Witcher wikia if you want a decent glimpse at the universe of "The Witcher."

In all honesty, you should by the game. Period. I've been playing "The Witcher:EEDC" on steam before playing 2, and its amazing on its own. You will not be dissapointed.


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Comment #59 by Opayk
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 09:53:42 AM
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I know it's not Xbox and therefore is rubbish, but Kickstarter; Wasteland 2 and Shadowrun Returns. That's where hope is.


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Comment #60 by Devil Sora
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 10:33:23 AM
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#57: I gotta agree with you there, normally when you see a comment in white your like "Oh god here come the trolls" but after reading his comment he had a genuine concern about the genre. Its bizzaro Batman, and I dont understand it.


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Comment #61 by CelticWarriorDB
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 10:44:25 AM
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@34 Sorry, but I have to disagree with one thing. IMO, FF started going downhill with FFXI...because they tried to do something different, and it didn't work. Every FF after that one they tried to do things different, and none of them really worked. I will never understand why people lump FFX in with the latest games.


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Comment #62 by mugginyouoff
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 10:48:51 AM
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If they released The Witcher 1 first then 2 would have sold better.


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Comment #63 by BBowles
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 11:05:27 AM
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Ya know....I love rpgs, I have shelves full of them. I hear rave reviews about this game. And yet....there's not a single thing about the trailers/gameplay that remotely interests me. Dunno why. Looks average, combat looks boring/repetitive...

I truly WANT to be interested in this game, but I just can't get into it. Who knows...maybe during the summer when I'm really bored with gaming I'll find something appealing about it.

After I finish Dragon's Dogma. Action RPG + climbing monsters like Shadow of the Colossus? Yes please...now THAT does interest me.


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Comment #64 by GodAnnihilation
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 01:42:25 PM
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@61 The reason i felt FF X was the start of the decline of the FF series was simply because of 'The Sphere Grid' by god did i hate it. I assume there are those out there that like it and good for them, each to there own. And the fact that it was the 1st in the FF series to have actual voice dialogue was amazing, but why did they not say Tidus' name throughout the whole game. They should never have had the option to name him at the start. It was like something was stopping the immersion for me and those to things were simply it.


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Comment #65 by Jack Pumpkinhed
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 01:53:50 PM
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Alright alright! I'll pick up Witcher 2. Sheesh, twist a guys arm why don't you... :P


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Comment #66 by Tubby 94
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 02:48:32 PM
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People seriously need to play games like this, only then will everyone realize that these games are 100x better than that recycled garbage you people call COD


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Comment #67 by TrishTheDish
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 04:14:44 PM
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I FULLY agree with #20, this game should have had a multiplayer. Maybe some kind of Horde mode rip off that gets really boring really fast with a Godawful unlock system. Even better, a multiplayer that you have to keep playing repeatedly in order to keep your stats rating up which is the only way to unlock the "best" ending in the game!

Wow, that sounds like the best idea ever for a franchise that's always been single player only. Someone NEEDS to do that this year!


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Comment #68 by UKJohn
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 06:36:34 PM
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The Witcher 2 is not mature just because of the sex or blood, but because of the political story that requires someone with an IQ to follow it and make the right decisions.

Having said that, the characters, gameworld and enemies are also dark and mature. If 360 really go for this "not holding your hand" game in a big way (currently No.1) then I hope we may see more, that AAA publishers may take a punt at something along the Witcher 2 lines for release. It may mean the next Elder Scrolls is more like Morrowind than Oblivion and Bioware will have something closer to Baldur's Gate than Dragon Age 2!

The fact that Demon Souls is now going to PC from 360 may be the first sign of PC game styles of harder, deeper, less streamlined games coming to console!

Let's also not forget, that despite not being mentioned in this article, or in the review, that for a below regular price, the "standard" Witcher 2 EE comes with a 2 sided map, quest guide (87 pages),manual (40 pages) original soundtrack and collection of making video's/trailers! Also, while for PC gamers, it's laudable that the company didn't charge to download DLC to bring it up to Enhanced standard like the 360 version. Compare this with $5 horse armour!

This pricing/packaging/patching policy is another reason for supporting this company and buying the Witcher 2, for wouldn't we all want to see publishers spending $20 million like CD Projekt RED, and getting a grat game out of that spend, and then, because lower sales can still bring in a profit, having a lower pricing policy, with better manuals and higher likelihood of other package content, like mini strategy guide, etc.

As to multiplayer, all that does in most games is shorten the single player content, so would rather see single player and multiplayer games separate from each other rather than combined.


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Comment #69 by KH308
Saturday, April 28, 2012 @ 08:25:52 PM
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OK now I feel like buying this game. I think they deserve the $$ instead of games like COD.


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Comment #70 by Pakhair
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 12:27:53 AM
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This game will remain on my "to play list" but it's just that I'm playing Reckoning and Deus Ex (sort of RPG) and FF XIII-2 are placed on my shelf unwrapped. On more RPG is gonna screw me....


But still I'd love to play it, I'm at cross roads :(


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Comment #71 by Ultimo Godzilla
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 12:33:27 AM
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@24 I don't play "good graphics" games ALL the time. I also don't watch Transformers. It's not always about how the game looks. I've been a gamer since the Atari days and have grown with gaming and I still think it doesn't matter what a game looks like. Games were made to be enjoyed all the while having a great look or playstyle granted, but that's not a true game. A true game is something that grabs you by story or character.

This site does do a lot of graphic whoring. It's sad really. I'm sure some people will say nasty things in response but I frankly don't give a damn.


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Comment #72 by Vindicator51
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 06:02:38 AM
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@57 You mean that he would've picked this up if it was corrupted by co-op?


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Comment #73 by BeardedLegion
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 08:50:45 AM
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I get the point you were trying to make, but I personally never enjoyed any of Valve's games. They were always too overhyped


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Comment #74 by LeeBradley [STAFF]
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 09:27:04 AM
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Dunno where all this graphics whore stuff is coming from. Of course we enjoy great graphics, but it's not all about that.

My point is that big budget, mainstream games can be great, but I want more from them. Fantastic visuals is not enough, games have to display a degree of creativity and individuality. That's what The Witcher 2 does so well.


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Comment #75 by Mc1ovin11
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 11:07:14 AM
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I have recommended this game to several of my xbox friends who love RPGs and with one exception they love it for and because of its approach-even though they are also Skyrim fans.I myself have only played 4 RPGs-3 Mass Effects and Fallout 3-but i am preparing to enter the fantasy lore fuelled world of The Witcher 2.
I am a mature gamer and although i do embrace my childish side occasionally-Saints row3-i really appreciate a thought provoking,adult-oriented game more befitting a man of my...erm...vintage!
So The Witcher 2 is now the next game i will buy-Rpg or Jrpg-a good game is a good game ppl.
PS off topic-I am also intrigued by Dishonored's recent trailer-the whole steam punk type setting looks very cool ;)


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Comment #76 by jamie1000013
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 11:09:54 AM
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Thanks Lee you guilt tripped me into buying this game :-P. I was going to rent it or wait till it went down in price because I already bought the PC version but then I was feeling bad about all the effort that must have been put into making it lol. I don't really regret it though because I really wanted to get it sooner or later.



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Comment #77 by Roose91
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 06:43:56 PM
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@26 Well in that case I guess you never pursued Geography past playschool.

I like this piece as I thoroughly enjoyed the Witcher 2, even if it had its flaws (in my opinion the biggest of which is its incredibly sparse autosaves) but I'm interested to know which third of the game is entirely missable? I did a Normal Playthrough on Roche's path and am now about half way through act 1 on Dark with the intention of pursuing Iorveth's path, I was under the impression that you still did every act, just there were split pathways in acts 2 and 3?


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Comment #78 by paytojt
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 07:00:58 PM
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I really am getting talked into buying this...


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Comment #80 by Nevander
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 08:51:49 PM
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Heard it was too hard, so no thanks.


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Comment #81 by FFFreak1129
Sunday, April 29, 2012 @ 11:00:43 PM
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Games like this will always get my support. Here's hoping for The Witcher 3.


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Comment #82 by jung4ever
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 02:10:04 AM
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Great article Lee. I worry about the future of gaming...I will def support companies CD Projekt Red. Witcher 2 is an amazing game and I will be doing multiple playthroughs!


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Comment #83 by crunchb3rry
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 03:10:21 AM
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Wish they would have ported the first game to 360 too. I recall them promising to and it just never happened. No way I can just jump into a series without missing a critical part of it...unless I want to sit in front of my computer. I don't use my computer for gaming. I like to keep it clean, and games tend to fuck up a clean system because there are no standards for installation. Some games even like to install unnecessary shit in the My Documents folder, and don't get me started on developers opting to store shit in the registry rather than a simple .ini file.


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Comment #84 by XxMayhemxX
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 05:40:08 AM
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@1 Big Thumbs up!!!!! As i read the paragraph.. Dark Souls and Demons Souls is all i could think about... And if its anything like Dark Souls, No mini map, no hand holding type of rpg... I've got to get my hands on Witcher 2. RPG developers take notice... take risks.. don't be like the norm... You can still make old school rpgs that are amazing...


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Comment #85 by Opiate42
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 07:52:32 AM
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I have a stack of finished games ready to trade in towards this beast.


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Comment #86 by streetunderpt
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 07:57:05 AM
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Im having a blast with this game, i hope they release the first witcher for xbox360 aswell.

The Witcher 2 is one of best RPG´s i ever played, if not the best.


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Comment #87 by Slayinfool
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 08:36:01 AM
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Alot of games are dying these days. I'm slowing but surely getting out of gaming. I need more original gameplay, and interesting story telling in my games. This Call of Duty generation is so boring. I understand there is a business to the industry and now one wants to take risks anymore. But less risks for me means less gaming.


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Comment #88 by KnifeLife
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 11:07:25 AM
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I think the reason there isn't so many AAA game "Risks" these days is because the devs expect to make there money back in a few weeks of the games launch they don't realise that the game is going to be out for years and people will be buying them for a long time to come, unfortunately not everyone can afford £40-£50 for each game, which is a shame because if i had the money i would have no problem for paying that much for games because a lot of them are worth it.


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Comment #89 by Devil Sora
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 11:22:13 AM
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Hahaha, its just fun to say Lee.

Another thing crossed my mind when I was listening to its soundtrack, Legend of Dragoon had to be one of the best RPGs of its era the 90's were great but as soon as 2000 hit this behemoth hit store shelves and knocked consumers over with an amazing story, intense visuals (again for its time the graphics were top notch), and a cast of characters that I can still remember to this day (all the way to Miranda. . . who I did not use) *sigh* after thinking about that it really did frighten me on where RPG's will be as a whole in the next decade. We very much may be in the twilight of the RPG saga and games like Witcher/Dragon Age with their amazing stories, Elder Scrolls with its viceral and ever changing combat, and Mass Effect and their stunning visuals (then again we do not know the fate of the ME series) are the only bearers of the torch.


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Comment #90 by wickedclowns95
Monday, April 30, 2012 @ 01:03:24 PM
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On-topic: I ordered this game and it arrives tomorrow. I'm very excited to play it and I've got time as my collarbone is broken. :/

Off-topic:
Lee, Lee, Lee, Lee,
Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee,
We're talkin' fuckin' Lee.
I had a friend named Lee,
He cast a spell a spell on me.
If me and Lee and KG could be three,
Flyin' free Tenaciously,
Skinny-dippin' in a sea of Lee,
I'd propose on bended knee
To Lee Lee Lee, Lee Lee Lee,
Lee Lee,
Lee Lee Lee, Lee Lee Lee,
Lee Lee,
Le-Lut-Le-Le-Le-Lee Lee Lee,
Le-Lut-Le-Le-Le-Lee Lee,
If me, and Lee, and KG, (that's me)
Could be free, (could be three)
Plant a tree, (plant a tree)
Just for Lee, (just for Lee)
Just for Lee, (Lee)
Just for Lee!
Lee, Lee, Lee [16X]
Leeee, Leeee, Leeee:
LEE!


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Comment #91 by Dman123532
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 @ 05:29:48 AM
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These type of games are full of epic win :P i can easily spend hours playing them, we need to give them so much need CPR! or just give everyone a beating till they buy it!


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Comment #92 by Hansathan
Wednesday, May 02, 2012 @ 08:45:56 PM
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Hmm...maybe I will have to give it another spin. I was turned off by the high degree of difficulty (had to dumb it down to Easy during the prologue) and all the buttons/commands, and haven't touched it since then.


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Comment #93 by PMonk
Thursday, May 03, 2012 @ 07:08:31 PM
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RPG's Re:campains are in general best value for money as FPS games tend towards the multiplayer and let the campaign lack innovation
this will eventually be bought and played by me, support the industry etc
co-op CAN be good in a rpg game when done right allowing drop-in/drop-out mechanics

Graphics ARE necessary to grab the player's interest but i have noticed in general games getting shorter due to excessive graphics. this is where Rpgs can get ahead of the curve by expanding the game's playability re missions levelling up etc

the Witcher 2 sounds like a great addition to the genre and so will enjoy it for all its hours and glory
and then i will get all the achievements i can and be happy with it


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Comment #94 by Rational360Gamer
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 06:21:40 PM
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Good post . Truth told , I've only been into hardcore gaming for about 7 or 8 months and I've only managed to play two RPGs : Mass Effect 2 and The Witcher 2 and I can safely say that the Witcher 2 comes out on top . It's a game where every choice matters , every conversation you have draws you deeper into a world that's plagued by immorality and more importantly , it's a game that strives to be different . I may not be the best game I've ever played ( P.S : I haven't finished it yet ) , but it could very well be the best RPG I've ever played .


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Comment #95 by JumboCesar3
Monday, May 28, 2012 @ 03:09:51 PM
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I don’t post often, so I apologize if this comment is long. I’m not familiar with posting edicate.
For those reading these comments, and are currently on the fence as to whether or not you should spend your money on this game, all I can say is that it was worth it for me. I have read posts that some are steering clear because they heard it was too difficult. For you, I can say that the easy setting does not require much effort on tactics. You can blaze through the game using just your swords, fire and defense spells, and one potion that allows you to see in the dark. During your first play through, on easy, take time to learn the combat strategies. You will play this game more than once since one play through will not allow you to see the multiple endings based on your decisions.
For those who think the combat may be monotonous, you have swords, daggers, homemade bombs that can incinerate, freeze, and confuse your enemy. You have traps that you can methodically place to ensnare your enemy, and cast spells to protect yourself, burst enemies into flames, and even manipulate the minds of your foes to aid you in a battle. All this without even starting on the unlockables, potions, or weapon enhancements.
OK, the maps…I didn’t have a problem with the maps personally. If you have played many RPG style games, you shouldn’t either. Most RPG gamers explore every inch of the world and become accustom to the layout of the world anyway. Once you see the map marker of the general direction you need to go, you will have a general idea on how to get there just from exploring. And let’s face it; in comparison to some of the RPGs out there, the world of Witcher 2 is not that expansive.
While playing this game, I couldn’t help but feel like I was directing a movie. The story line was well thought out in my opinion, and I actually cared about the characters, all of the characters, even the less desirable ones who I couldn’t wait to rid the world of. This game has a little something for everyone. I have my personal complaints and areas of improvement, but I won’t bore you with them since they are my personal complaints and would only improve upon my personal gaming experience. In the end…The Witcher 2 was worth every penny. I am undergoing my sixth play through on dark difficulty and still enjoying it.


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Comment #96 by elvega
Sunday, October 07, 2012 @ 12:00:37 AM
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I just registered to say that this is a BRILLIANT piece. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments.

Let's see the studios take more chances based on personal inspiration! That's how masterpieces like The Witcher 2 are made


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