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Valve Discussing Left 4 Dead 3 Ideas, Including Player-Controlled AI Director
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While Valve is still some way off from announcing Left 4 Dead 3, some early details are being discussed in-house.

That’s according to Valve’s Chet Faliszek who has expressed his love for the series, as well as some new ideas.

"A 3? You know, some time down the road," said the write. "Like anything, I would say that to all of our games. So that's not a promise of when or where.

"I really love working on that series," added Faliszek. "It's one of my favourite series. It's just so much fun with the characters and the world. I love zombies and I love horror. So, yeah."

One of the Left 4 Dead series’ main innovations was the AI Director, which spawned zombies in direct response to player progress. It meant that level playthroughs were rare the same, keeping the tension levels high.

According to Faliszek, Left 4 Dead 3 could allow the player to control the AI director. It’s an idea that started life as an ill-fated Left 4 Dead 2 DLC pack inspired by Joss Whedon’s  The Cabin in the Woods.

"That got no further than us discussing it, but we thought it would be cool idea if somebody could play as the dungeon master and put it out. But obviously there's a lot of work that needs to be done to do that. But it would be interesting.

"You'd have to start testing it," continued Faliszek. "You'd need an economy of points that the dungeon master was spending. There's a 10 vs. 10 mod for Left 4 Dead, and one day me and Matt Scott, the animator, were playing it.

"For a really long stretch of time we just kept saving up all the points, and at one point we just started spawning witches everywhere, just non-stop. It made us laugh. Stuff like that you have to figure out."

[via EG]


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Comment #1 by Giptuc
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 06:53:13 AM
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ahahahaha a Left 4 Dead 3!? by Valve?? no chance..

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Comment #2 by Dazzernator
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 06:56:34 AM
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This sort of sounds like that PC Dungeon Master carnival type game. Sounds good to me

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Comment #3 by I JiMb0 I
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:00:04 AM
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lol, have to agree! more likely we will see left for dead 2: episode 2!

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Comment #4 by Aussie27Legend
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:01:06 AM
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Valve? 3? Never.

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Comment #5 by MustaPastori
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:02:20 AM
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Would be funny if they went straight to Left 4 Dead 4.

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Comment #6 by DetroitRedWings
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:04:03 AM
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Wasnt left 4 dead 2 supposed to sponsor half life 3 that game thats never going to happen? i swear valve just sits around and pretends their going to make it to convince people to buy easy to make low quality games like left 4 dead and portal, make half life 3 valve now and maybe youll win my respect back!

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Comment #7 by Buruma
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:06:42 AM
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Psssh. Yeah, right. Everybody knows that Valve can't count to three.

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Comment #8 by CyberPunch83
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:11:20 AM
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There will never be a Left 4 Dead 3. Everyone knows Valve is incapable of counting to 3.

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Comment #9 by Infomouse
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:16:03 AM
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Half-Life 3 or GTFO.

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Comment #10 by Crazyfulla
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:18:41 AM
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Come on valve you can do it.. count with me
what WHOLE number comes after 2?
3 YAY ok one more time


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Comment #11 by FuzzMan3000
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:33:24 AM
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wow me and my buddy were talking about L4D3 this morning, I'd love a new one but they'd need to make the gun movement a bit more smoother than what it was in no. 2. Half-Life 3 first please!

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Comment #12 by Vindicator51
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:38:26 AM
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It would be one hell of a thing to deal with, if they released this before HL3.

No hope left for them if they do.

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Comment #13 by GR4V1G0R3
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:39:33 AM
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no chance of L4D3.... as others have said, 3 is valve's blind spot

if they do anything it will be a prequel to something they've already done, be it portal or L4D

either way i don't care, just hurry up and release black mesa and show that now valve's fans are better at making (half life) games than valve are....

we DON'T want episode 3 (ep 1 & 2 were shite) and i get the feeling they've just given up entirely n the half life franchise

UNLESS, valve are having a moment like "king arthur" from monty python & the quest for the holy grail, in which case...HL5 & L4D5 will be out's either that, prequels or nothing i'm affraid....and valve have never bee about pleasing fans, more annoying the hell out of them as we gradually die off

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Comment #14 by ronnie42
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:41:09 AM
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One of my favourite series. Hope they make this but not sure about player controlling the zombies flow since I can see people exploiting that......

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Comment #15 by Tony Robinson x
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 08:13:31 AM
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I'd love to see a new left for dead! Some of the most funy games ever

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Comment #16 by Tony Robinson x
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 08:16:51 AM
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Clearly meant fun games hahaha, my bad.

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Comment #17 by Scarecrow3692
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 08:44:01 AM
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I can't wait until this is released for the XBox 1080 in 2025. Love the series, but in all honesty, we waited how long for Cold Stream?

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Comment #18 by Nayr
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 08:45:41 AM
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Bout time, hope they add different modes too. Not a huge fan of the L4D formula.

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Comment #19 by TheTCD
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 08:59:01 AM
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Valve are too busy laughing all the way to the bank on their TF2 hat money to care about making anything people really want. I'm sure DOTA 2 is great and all, but let's face it, people want ANY game of their existing franchises to reach the number 3 first.

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Comment #20 by Gentleman
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 09:10:21 AM
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@ #17

Don't blame Valve for that.

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Comment #21 by Tom Bick
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 09:32:08 AM
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I think someone should just crash this "Valve can't count to 3" band wagon already. It's getting old now. Besides, after the fan backlash for ME3, if I was Valve I wouldn't want to finish a series... because some whiny punk will come along and try and get it tailor made for him/her. Half the people at my sixth form make Valve-3 jokes and they don't even play the damn games.

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Comment #22 by DetroitRedWings
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 09:52:58 AM
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Its funny all the comments on here are jokes about "valve wont do 3" the only 3 theyll never do is half life 3 I guarantee you they will keep spitting out left for dead and portal titles for decades to come why? because their easy to make they can add 1 or new things and call it a sequel and valve fans keep buying it all they have to do is keep pretending that some day a half life 3 might occur and im sure it will right after left for dead 15 and portal 12 and valve fan boys begin realizing thyve esenially bought the exact same game 15 times at that point, and demand valve take time and hard work into their products once again.

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Comment #23 by Enigk
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 09:56:52 AM
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They couldn't even get to half life 2 episode 3 never mind a full blown threequel to anything. Fingers crossed for more valve goodness of any kind though.

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Comment #24 by XxMayhemxX
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 10:40:48 AM
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3 jokes are getting extremly lame... Like a previous poster said, Portal 3 and L4D3 they'll have no problem doing... Its Especially easier to make a game where the enemies just rush aftetbu and moan... Not AS MUCH work is nessasary, as opposed to or compared to HL

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Comment #25 by PhoenixTemplar
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 10:43:34 AM
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I hope L4D3 cuts out the ring finger on the box art, so we getta see an undead shocker.

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Comment #26 by strawberry
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 10:45:19 AM
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If L4D3 comes out before before HL3... PREPARE FOR RIOTS!

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Comment #27 by Wing X Custom
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 10:49:33 AM
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Bad movie, awesome idea and concept. Dance my puppets! Dance the dance of life!

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Comment #28 by WalterWhite
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 11:49:54 AM
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Call me when it's on the shelf, I'll care then.

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Comment #29 by wickedclowns95
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 11:52:19 AM
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They really need to re-up their game engine before coming out with another game if you ask me.

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Comment #30 by I KENBUSTER I
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 01:24:21 PM
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@27 Cabin in the Woods was one of the greatest films this year.

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Comment #31 by [Waggly Bean]
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 02:10:28 PM
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"...we thought it would be cool idea if somebody could play as the dungeon master and put it out. But obviously there's a lot of work that needs to be done to do that"

Considering how long it took them to bring out Cold Stream, which technically shouldn't have taken loads of work being as the campaigns only needed tweaking, I expect this to never happen.

More L4D would be great, but I'm not holding my breath for any time even remotely soon.

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Comment #32 by secretkaos187
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 02:10:51 PM
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I will wait like a good fan-boy for L4D3...

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Comment #33 by Nitnoid
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 02:39:03 PM
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Not before HL3 dammit!

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Comment #34 by TeAmExTrEmE737
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 03:47:15 PM
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swwwwaaaaaggggg. Love l4d series, but please make it like l4d1, sorry but l4d2 was garbage, even though I still played it and had fun for sometime.

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Comment #35 by Troll Face Spartan
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 03:50:16 PM
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Comment #36 by Akuza
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 04:11:58 PM
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there wont be a 3 - they cant count to 3 =D

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Comment #37 by cheevo360
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 04:17:31 PM
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I do mind if Valve want making and release L4D 3 but most of here, outside, everyone and myself want Half-Life 3 way more then L4D 3

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Comment #38 by ViNyLek
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 04:26:50 PM
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Forget L4D, how awesome would it be, if they went with idea of director, but on some island and with say 5/6 players playing co-op while director throws all of those different horror/mythical creatures at them. I would totally play that=)

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Comment #39 by TRAGICTRIXIE
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 04:37:46 PM
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The cabin in the woods was awesome! everyone should see it!

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Comment #40 by asilent boom
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 04:53:44 PM
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I'd like to see a 3 to every series they've got, Team Fortress 3, Portal 3, L4D3, and Half-Life 3. Along with a Valve console too.

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Comment #41 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 05:20:57 PM
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It would be great if you could make your own maps and control how often zombies and weapons appear.

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Comment #42 by Jack Pumpkinhed
Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 06:25:34 PM
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I don't always make lame "valve can't count to 3" jokes, but when I do, I do them after 10 people in the thread have.


OT: I'm excited for L4D3. L4D is an awesome series for co-op and multiplayer goodness. Yes, it does not have the involved story that HL does, but it is a shit ton of fun.

I also like the idea of the AI director being controlled by a person. I can imagine some epic fights where they release nothing until an alarm sequence (that attracts a horde) and then dumping a ton of boomers/witches. I'd love to fight that one out :D

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Comment #43 by Arenazombie
Tuesday, October 02, 2012 @ 03:09:26 AM
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@42 Yeah thats the problem they mentioned. If you just throw out 2 tanks in a climax event its almost an instant win. Not sure how to control that the director keeps doing constant output without taking away too much freedom. Would also be awesome to have a versus mode where you can choose your undead character. Had a lot of situations where I could have done some awesome stuff as a smoker, but spawned as a hunter. So in that mode all undead players would be the directors ;-)

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Comment #44 by Dazzernator
Tuesday, October 02, 2012 @ 03:56:36 AM
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This sort of sounds like that PC Dungeon Master carnival type game. Sounds good to me

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Comment #45 by zarda1
Tuesday, October 02, 2012 @ 04:11:46 AM
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I think we'd rather have a new game than an AI director nobody uses.

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Comment #46 by Der Fuhrer
Tuesday, October 02, 2012 @ 07:36:29 AM
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So they will have made three Left 4 Dead games before making on Half-Life game? What a joke.

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Comment #47 by eenieakane
Thursday, October 04, 2012 @ 01:04:37 PM
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Loved the first left for dead, but felt that the second one lost a lot of it's charm but would definitely buy left for dead 3!

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Comment #48 by Tucky
Sunday, March 10, 2013 @ 08:10:59 PM
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I agree with #22 valve are in a great position,
These games are all essentially the same, I was playing l4d last night.
At the end of the day they are a business and businesses want Money
It's a sad fact and clearly valve are more content with basically copy and pasting
The same game in different maps to make a profit
They already took their "risk" in trying new games and are trying to suck the results dry,
Ex: half life ep1, ep 2, fricken orange box???!!
Then games like portal and l4d, yes are good games but The sequels are
Essentially the same game copy and pasted, it angers me immensely that half life 3
Still hasn't come out, but looking at the logical side of it at the moment their sitting pretty
And they don't really have to care about the fans having a cry about half life 3
Because those same crying fans and many more are throwing money at them for a game
That can have a sequel within an amount of days
Theyve found a loophole in the gaming world and their exploiting it
To their best interest
I hope one day we see half life 3, but it won't be until they got bored
With money getting thrown at them for an idea they came up with long ago
And really who would get sick of that?

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Comment #49 by NickL4D2fangirl
Saturday, May 04, 2013 @ 01:26:18 PM
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If they do, perhaps, they should make a new special infected that is like the witch and the hunter's kid. Like, if its a girl, a hunter with long hair and longer claws. If its a boy, a witch with short hair, shirtless, and shorter claws, but has insane laughter as it attacks you. And possibly the ability to create your own character and if you want it to be half infected or not, and if you do choose for your character to be half infected, choosing which special infected that is the half infected part of you.

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Comment #50 by TSG Dwaggie
Friday, December 27, 2013 @ 12:04:58 PM
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Ugh, the HL fanboys are out in force, I see.

Ok, I'm gonna break something to you that you may not like.

Half Life was AVERAGE at best.

Shoddy, poor animation, poor gameplay, boring storyline. OH AND HEADCRABS. WHOOPEE.

Seriously, get with the times, and realise that half life was, in fact... MEDIOCRE AT BEST. Left 4 dead is much more fun because you can play with friends on it. Half life was basically... Walk here, shoot that. Go there, pick up that, do stupid see saw physics puzzle, yes valve you made a physics engine, congrats.


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