Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Vonderhaar Defends Black Ops 2 Engine: "It Runs at 60 and it's Gorgeous"
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Treyarch game design director David Vonderhaar has defended Call of Duty: Black Ops 2’s aging Infinity Ward engine.

With every subsequent Call of Duty release, the engine used for Call of Duty 2 gets an upgrade. Yet some think that the engine still falls short of other AAA game franchises. Vonderhaar doesn’t agree.

"Anybody who comes at the engine needs to remember it's the 60 frames they love in the first place,” said the design director. “And we can make it beautiful - that's through years and years of working with the engine, improving upon it and improving the pipeline and improving our approach, our lighting rendering.

"People like to talk about the engine, but the truth of the matter is that this isn't like something that was invented six years ago. At this point that engine doesn't resemble anything like any engine - we've ripped out the UI system, the rendering and the lighting are all new, the core gameplay systems are all new.

"To me, it's like I never really understood," continued Vondehaar. "It runs at 60 and it's gorgeous. What exactly is there to be upset about with the engine?"

So, dear commenters, do you think the engine is showing any signs of wear and tear?

[via OXM]


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Comment #1 by Epic Gamer Will
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:01:20 AM
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Comment #2 by O0mix0O
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:02:15 AM
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The engine sucks.

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Comment #3 by JustAFriend
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:06:45 AM
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Needs about 90% more frostbite

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Comment #4 by omgitsbo
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:08:34 AM
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A shiny turd is still a turd.

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Comment #5 by Len lfc
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:09:16 AM
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It's not bad, it just never brings anything NEW. it ONLY makes what it already has/does better.

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Comment #6 by EngagedMetal7
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:11:19 AM
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@2, no it doesn't, if you don't like cod please don't read its articles and stay away from the forums.
The CoD engine is probably the smoothest running engine out of all FPS, barring maybe Halo, and yes, today I clocked Medal of Honour and won 12 out of 12 games on BF3 (Invisible walls on that game are ridiculous!) So please don't act like a retard and fuck off.

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Comment #7 by EngagedMetal7
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:13:19 AM
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^also applies to 3 and 4

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Comment #8 by PG_MaxPayne
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:15:13 AM
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COD BOps2 will be the last COD game I buy until they overhaul their engine. Each new COD game using this engine just feels like they've re-skinned all the AI models, made new environments and wrote a new story where since COD4, they all end the same way in terms of the hero (aka you) killing the main villian after he gets distracted by something at the key moment. Talk about a lack of originality.

Using the same one since COD2 should show you something about their [lack of] desire to continually improve a gamers' experience. Then again all they're in it for is the money so then by that definition, they're doing a bang-up job!

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Comment #9 by jtr1gg3r
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:15:21 AM
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I used to love COD, but it's got so stale now. Same old shit served up on a different plate every year.

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Comment #10 by Rewave Acid
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:25:36 AM
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@6&7 coming on a little too strong there buddy...

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Comment #11 by M1 Punk
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:27:17 AM
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Why would you post a COD2 screenshot in this article?

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Comment #12 by GR4V1G0R3
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:28:16 AM
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it's still based on id tech 3, which although it is a great has been far surpassed, and is very obsolete

i did a few minor compairssons between BF3 & MW3, and the difference is phenomenal...however the end result is the same, a poor game...which again proves the theory that graphics don't make a good game...but, if you claim to be the leaders in the FPS genre, how aboout actually spending some money on the game, rather than the voice actors

you know pay the staff that make your games, not just pass your cash straight to hollywood, but no, then "how are the people supposed to be believable, we need hollywood actors or it's obviously a game"

fuck this franchise, gimme serious sam 3 + toejam & earl anyday

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Comment #13 by Slayinfool
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:29:44 AM
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Engine is fine with me. Aslong as it's running at 60 and not 30 like some other titles *cough, Battlefield, cough*

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Comment #14 by Equipment
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:30:50 AM
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I just wonder that with having so much faith in the current engine, by the time the next gen comes around, will they have fallen behind in the technology race by then? With 60fps seemingly being the holy grail for CoD games, will they be able to maintain the same smoothness given the increased visual fidelity etc that each new gen demands?

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Comment #15 by SUTCLIFF 286
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:33:06 AM
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its nothing to do with graphics or 60fps! COD is stale because it rebadges the same 5hr campaign and 15 MP maps every year. Sorry but i expect more 'game' for my money on a 2yr development cycle. I'll still play them, i don't mind a generic predictable campaign, i'll enjoy it too, but the same multiplayer just bores me once i get over the superfical joy of new bells & whistles. COD MP will never be bad but it just needs more dynamic to feel fresh. my 2 cents anyway

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Comment #16 by XoNiNjAlEoNoX
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:33:51 AM
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Wait, are the engines from CoD2 and CoD4 the same??

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Comment #17 by wes coas 4 life
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:34:07 AM
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Nothing wrong with the Zombies mode.

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Comment #18 by Masterchief950
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:35:02 AM
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@6 the engine sucks stop backing it up. Look at the graphics of rage on consoles and that runs at 60fps. They're using an extremely modified id tech 3 engine I think it's time to upgrade

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Comment #19 by 1morey
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:35:15 AM
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I honestly don't understand what you other CoD gamers want "changed" or "new" in the engine.

I thought the purpose of updating engines was to make changes and fixes that replace the older engine, which CoD has done.

Ever since Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops, your character actually talks, and doesn't just stare at your comrades, Black Ops had ingame cutscenes (like when you went to the Pentagon), MW2 had it when characters are shot, their faces are grimacing in pain, and Black Ops had the enemies whisper for a few moments before dying.

I mean you guys don't elaborate on what it is about the engine you want "new" or "changed".

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Comment #20 by HVAC Techie
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:40:27 AM
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I don't look for Smoothness, I look for Sexiness. Unreal Engine 3, Frostbite, and Cryengine are the big runners.

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Comment #21 by hotdogenigma
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:41:59 AM
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Hands up the lot of you who actually think you know anything about how video game engines work and how much of an improvement you think it'll make? Dummies think that because a different developer puts a "2" beside the name of their engine and it's going to rule the world. Give it up and stop your bitching.

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Comment #22 by AceSouthall
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:46:27 AM
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That is the worse picture to use to show it off. The characters have at max 2 polygons each.

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Comment #23 by Games 4 Ever
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:52:22 AM
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@20, I think you forgot about AnvilNext.

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Comment #24 by Slayinfool
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:59:16 AM
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Well, RAGE runs at 60 frames and looks stunning. One of the best looking games this gen. So why not have the best of both worlds? Developers either care enough to make it work, or they don't...

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Comment #25 by ViNyLek
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 10:01:23 AM
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I don't see a reason why anyone would complain. One of the very few games on consoles that looked amazing for the past 5 years and always running at 60FPS, which can't be said about most games. It's usually either sacrificing frame rate for graphics or vice versa.

Now that I think about i, I didn't even realize he had to defend it at all... Id engine in Rage seemed the smoothest in my long gaming carrier, it was running so good, it felt weird playing it=)

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Comment #26 by JT Gregory
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 10:34:39 AM
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people are angry cos they all shit at cod mp hahahaha

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Comment #27 by GR4V1G0R3
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 10:36:06 AM
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i'll tell you why it needs justification of still using this engine

id tech 3 was released in 1998, sure they've tweaked it to buggery, but don't let the fact that they tweak it every time fool you...a tweaked engine is not a new engine...and adding facial movements is not a new engine, that is something that other users of id tech 3 were doing in 2002...and character involvement also has nothing to do with the engine

what we want is, a NEW engine, either UE4, CE3, id tech cryengine 2 was bloatware, and no system could run it properly....unreal engine 3 is pretty old, and 4 is not yet fully available, being next gen only i think, id tech 5 is great, IF you've got an ounce of know how which unfortunately puts any activision dev team out of the running...even id fucked up with the PC version of rage...too many variables in the hardware department, the engine then confused itself, but for consoles it's perfect

and finally...with regards to CoD
they never include any of the patches in their new version, which has the same exact flaws...they wait 2 weeks after release, realise everyone is complaining about hackers / glitchers...then re-apply the patches from the previous title......the a sign that they copy & paste all their code from the previous game, and put in no effort.....still not as bad as MW3...crash report = "MW2.exe has perfomed an illegal operation and will be terminated"

and you expect us to not troll this shit...LMAO

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Comment #28 by w00dm4n
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 10:36:32 AM
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THQ is trying to sell us the "new predator engine 2.0"
which oddly still looks/plays like the Smackdown engine from 2000.

Unreal engine is old, Source engine is old, Frostbyte engine is old.

next you'll all be saying Blast Processing made the Sega Genesis a better system.

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Comment #29 by Caramel Cardinal
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 10:38:27 AM
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cod engine is a modified quake one so alll they need is to take tech 5 off id for the next gen of consoles

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Comment #30 by GR4V1G0R3
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 10:57:16 AM
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and let me itterate this, the engine is not just what the game looks like, but also includes physics (i.e. ragdoll effects, level destruction) graphics do not come under the same banner really, you can have an ancient engine running with high def texture packs, this will make it look, well like CoD tbh

don't come around acting clever, thinking none of us know what an engine is, some don't, but others of us were PC gamers first, and know a little about these things

from now on i'll try to refrain from trolling it's their choice to like CoD....but the game needs to go through some serious changes to be deemed worthy of continuation IMO....rather than being on the same business model as the new kungfu panda addon it got, as if they thought "kungfu panda was a big selling movie, lets put it into WoW"

and i get abuse for trolling them crap like that and what do you expect

and finally back on topic

i really hope that shot is from BLOPS2, maybe all the die hard fans will finally give up on this piece of crap franchise, when they realise they've been taken advantage of, and all their money has done is line the pockets of bobby kotick so he can talk more shit whilst laughing at his supporters

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Comment #31 by ZLU CORONA
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:01:45 AM
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an another epic fail episode brought to you by the COD franchise and Activision!

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Comment #32 by TacticalTodger
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:02:09 AM
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It doesn't matter they're going to keep that Engine till the new Gen Console anyway.

Oh and about that person saying Cryengine is a top runner, it would be if Crytek managed to actually do something with it, well they've only used it for one game series so far, which is why it's somewhat of a disappointment and wouldn't be classed as a "Top Runner" in my opinion.

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Comment #33 by ViNyLek
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:07:28 AM
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@#31 It's actually from first or second CoD game... I skipped the res tof your rant=)

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Comment #34 by theirishmagnum
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:15:44 AM
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@30 Took the words outta my mouth, COD series can only last so long, and it looks like there trying to keep up with games now, it's be the same since cod 2.., after COD 4-5 the series went down hill...argue all you want, but the game is stale and hasn't offered anything new beside going overboard with stupid perks that make the game somewhat out of hand at times, and perks are just handicaps anyways, so where does skill in COD even get used,? From a perk that makes you do good, not actual skill...ugh, I used to be into COD, but again, it's stale and although every game has glitches nowadays, they need to focus on a different shooter! Put the game to rest as it's remembered good still!

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Comment #35 by Sir-Sabin
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:23:40 AM
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they need to rebuild the engine, so it's harder to hack it, they are just using the same version of the modded quake engine and aren't using the latest version of it

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Comment #36 by Rapturous Rich
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:27:09 AM
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Frostbite 2 and CryEngine 3 are but two shooter engines that completely obliterate this engine. If people want 60FPS at the cost of decent lighting, realistic movement animation and god knows what else then, well, I don't know what to say to them. The level that gaming is at right now should be pushing the likes of IW and 3arc to create something completely new and amazing to breathe new life into a very, very stale franchise instead of relying on an age old engine and marketing system.
What are the chances they'll still use only a slightly updated engine for the next gen while other devs are working on the likes of Frostbite 3 and CryEngine 4?

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Comment #37 by Neomalysys
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:30:38 AM
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Unreal Engine 3 is just as old. Minecraft has purposefully bad graphics and people still love it. I honestly think all this hate for the game engine is just more of the I'm cool because I claim to hate the CoD series crap.

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Comment #38 by Throrin
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:38:14 AM
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I dare to say that i actually hate CoD ... i'm soooo bored with the series that i didn't purchase the previous and i will not buy the new one.
With that said ...
The engine is not AAA anymore and clearly visible. It lacks so many things BUT i have to admit that the 60fps makes a huge impact in gameplay. It feels so good, smooth and fast that NO OTHER GAME CAN MATCH in the fps category.
I wish all games in the future will be 60fps minimum ... (though i know they will not because developers prefer the eye candy than gameplay)

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Comment #39 by Ehrenfried
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:38:38 AM
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I.W. Engine?
They lincensed the Quake 3 TA Engine and made the I.W. Engine out of it.
And to all the fuckind idiots always complaining, do the work Treyarch does 80h/week shift etc. and then i will rip your ass with such dumb comments like this.

Why does nobody does this on the Halo series?
4 Games, same engine...

Fucking whiny nerds!

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Comment #40 by Rapturous Rich
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:41:29 AM
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@39, they really spend 80 hours a week using the Copy and Paste function? Wow, that's pretty hard work.

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Comment #41 by xxthegodofwarx
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:44:55 AM
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look at halo 4 and look at this crap game and tell me its gorgeous ..yeah right

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Comment #42 by creaper210
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:06:02 PM
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It's what I have always been telling people. New engine does NOT mean better. Compare Bad Company 2 to Battlefield 3. In my opinion, Bad Company 2 is by far, the better game. CoD's engine is fast and smooth. That's all I want. Gameplay > graphics.

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Comment #43 by STONE DEVIL
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:08:47 PM
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...but it's still boring nothing new.

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Comment #44 by ZedChuva
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:10:12 PM
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They really need to disable posts on ALL CoD, BF and Halo articles. Nothing but nerd pissing matches.

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Comment #45 by SolarFury
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:17:46 PM
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What are the going rates that when Activision does dish out for a new engine, haters are still going to hate? I've got some spare moneys...

Fact. Whatever they do to the series, some are still going to moan.

I don't know why Vonderhaar has bothered wasting time defending the game, just let the game do the talking for itself. Bigging up one's own game, taking shots at another is EA's style... *thinks back to 'Above and Beyond the Call of Duty'. How corny. XD

Anyways, +1 to the forever lasting of every other FPS vs Call of Duty. Always a thrill.

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Comment #46 by Enigk
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:27:30 PM
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I'm not sure if I could tell if a game is running at 60fps or not. I play games to enjoy them. As long as you can see what is happening does it really matter? I'm sure we didn't have as many people moaning in the old days on 16 bit consoles when pal ran slower. Are the same people moaning about the pal borders and slower framerate the same who moan about this?
Play the game and enjoy. Clearly people like it as it still sells by the bucketload.
I dont play cod as i don't want to pretend to shoot people as it may make me want to shoot real people (note sarcasm mr trawling the internet for psychopaths).
The only bad thing about everyone playing cod is it means no-one plays other games online killing them dead from day 1.

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Comment #47 by Blue Thunder28
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:50:07 PM
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He forgot in the video game world, every random kid with a controller thinks they're a game designer.

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Comment #48 by wickedclowns95
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:53:54 PM
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I agree with him that its a smooth running engine however its not gorgeous as he put it. In comparison to most modern AAA games it's at least two years behind everything else on the market as far as looks are concerned. I still enjoy playing and I know many others do as well or it wouldn't break sales records everytime a new game is released. That doesn't mean its without flaws and its unfortunate when a developer won't admit to that. The CoD franchise has never been known to be particularly humble though, they've proven many times to be very egotistical. I feel this is why there is a lot of disgust amongst gamers towards them these days.

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Comment #49 by astonwave
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:54:02 PM
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Hey. If it's not broken, don't try and fix it. Black Ops II looks fantastic.

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Comment #50 by theirishmagnum
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 12:56:06 PM
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@39 Are you not complaining about other people also? You just called yourself a an idiot...ouch lol and to boot, your not ripping anyone apart with you simple worded sentences. Every game company works long hours, how can you not realize this! your mentioning of this was pointless...Your on a COD posting forum and you bring up the Halo series?...You should try going to look at the Halo forums, because people will state there own opinions about the game there also. So that was a very irrelevant explanation lol

I will def rent the game and if I like it, I'll buy it. I'm oldschool gamer, so graphics and frame rate don't apply to me much, as I'm used to snes and the doom series :D

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Comment #51 by zarda1
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 01:54:17 PM
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@11 its because the engine was first used on CoD2. thats the whole point of the article, the engine is THAT old.

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Comment #52 by The Kingslayer
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 02:32:45 PM
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Yawn COD bashing how original.

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Comment #53 by ZingZitang
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 02:35:59 PM
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Most people dont understand how Software Development works. This is why they get angry.

People are ignorant about something. And when they dont fully understand it, they get angry about it.

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Comment #54 by Enigk
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 02:42:25 PM
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Let people play cod whether it is the best looking game ever or looking like a doom ripoff.
Games are about gameplay - hence why people play games on phones these days.
If people enjoy cod no matter what it looks like then leave them too it I say.

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Comment #55 by Poisonheadcrab
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 02:46:15 PM
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@16, the engines individually are different, but every single call of duty has been an improvement on the original, which used ID tech 3 (Quake 3 arena).

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Comment #56 by HubDub
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 02:51:15 PM
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Any game is a 100% better on pc + you can use an Xbox 360 controller, so I can see why console gamers would complain about the performance of any game on a "console".

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Comment #57 by Nevander
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 02:59:03 PM
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Personally I think CoD2 is the best looking CoD graphically. Everything is more crisp.

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Comment #58 by TheSilvermaster
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 04:04:45 PM
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Yeah "Its the smoothest running engine in all of FPS" yeah that's if you don't count Battlefield, Crysis, Halo, Gears of War, and over 3 quarters of the first person shooter genre. Please stop making excuses COD developers and just make a new engine otherwise they are going to be screwed when the Next Gen systems come out because there lazy mediocre attemps at a decent graphics engine will not count when the time comes because everything is going to be upgraded it will be like when the 360 came out and you compared original xbox graphics to 360. Shape up or ship out Call of Duty your time is running out.

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Comment #59 by Keizaron
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 05:31:48 PM
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@58 Gears of War isn't FPS. :(

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Comment #60 by Brandeniuz
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 05:32:31 PM
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@58 What the fuck are you on about? You know Battlefield, Crysis, Halo, Gears of War, and over three quarters of the first person shooter genre are 30fps games right? And you know CoD is 60fps? Idiot. It's a factual statement that CoD runs smoother than all those games.

There will be a new engine when there needs to be a new engine.

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Comment #61 by Enigk
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 05:34:24 PM
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Would you ever describe graphics as beautiful or gorgeous when referring to COD? Those words are usually reserved for wonders of the world or very attractive people aren't they? At a push a work of art, but a game about sweaty soldiers. I don't think so.

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Comment #62 by Enigk
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 05:39:24 PM
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@60 I have played a few of those games on the list and COD and I can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. Am I missing something or are there others out there who can't tell?

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Comment #63 by Brandeniuz
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 05:44:46 PM
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@62 Yes you're missing something. I'm not sure how you don't notice it.

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Comment #64 by Enigk
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 05:48:23 PM
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I just shoot things and don't pay too much attention to graphics. I actually don't think graphics in deadly premonition are that bad and that is universally panned for bad graphics.

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Comment #65 by Ehrenfried
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 05:50:37 PM
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Goddammit how i hate the attention seeking little kiddie bastards here,
who compare every game to CoD, and of course every shooter is superior, who would've thought that?

I'm so sick of this flaming shitstorm of all you dumb kiddies, in every newsin fucking every news, i'm too old for this childish crap.
I woudl line all these annoying brats up and shoot them in the head.
Sooo annoying,now i understand why my parents hated my gerneration, now that i'm in their age i feel the same for all those idiots here on the news.

And to all you dumb and not ahead of all thinking kiddies who praise the new engines as god,in 10 years when the new generation of consoles is there all your so hyped engines will be sold out to everyone and there will be tons of games using the engine like today with the "UT Engine", 4 Gears of War games with the same engine but nobody flames there.

If i would be a programer at treyarch, and after 7 years of working my ass of,for your entertainment, when then some dude who has never licked a pussy in his life bitches about my work,i would rip him apart.
I worked in my last job 60+ hours/week,
i know how it feels when some dumb fucking shithead who knows nothing about life, does one of wannabecool liek most of the retards here on the board flaming all CoD news.

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Comment #66 by creaper210
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 05:57:37 PM
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@58 Those are games with better graphics, but NONE of them run better than CoD. NONE of them are as fast paced as CoD.

Call of Duty is the only FPS I have ever played that is not only fast paced and VERY customizable, but does all this so smoothly.
BF3 and Crysis are both slow and unresponsive, something that is crucial if you want a competitive multiplayer.

And new engine does NOT mean better. Bad Company 2 is far better than Battlefield 3 despite it supposedly being a new engine. It is supposed to be an upgrade, yet it took away so much of the most loved feature from Bad Company 2- the destruction.

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Comment #67 by The Stache
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 06:01:48 PM
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Hey, come on now.

Let's all be nice to each other.

I'll bring the chocolate chip cookies next time!

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Comment #68 by theirishmagnum
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 06:07:33 PM
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@65, if you were to be a Treyarch employee, you would have capitalized the word to start! The fact that you even hint about your connection with them, makes you sound bad by talking shit like you do towards the whole company, and makes yourself look like a fool...It's funny you call all of us kid's, when in fact your acting like one right now by lashing out at everyone...You are a sad man with no respect for anyone's opinions on here...if you do truly work for this company, you just lost money from me buying the game...although one person not buying wont make a difference, you'r still a huge ass!

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Comment #69 by GamePlayUK
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 06:07:56 PM
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It does suck compared to newer engines such as Cryengine, Frostbite 2, etc... Activision's only comeback is, "well our engine runs at 60fps" erm well actually so does frostbite and cryengine, its just the console hardware is too weak to run those engines at higher fps's because they're next gen technology, of course it's not gonna run at full on old hardware.

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Comment #70 by theirishmagnum
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 06:14:32 PM
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The fact that you said you'd shoot people over a video game makes you look like a complete tool...On further inspection of your pointless rant, you do-not work for this company, every person that does has a specific gamertag..And for an employee to say childish words like this over the net just proves my point even more...:D with that said, I hope the game turns out to be what it's hyped up for ! If not, then gamer's will start to realize and have already, that COD is getting stale, Maby as a "SO CALLED" developer, you should take gamer's opinions to respect, not shit down there inconsiderate human being!

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Comment #71 by ronnie42
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 07:10:38 PM
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god I miss the classic call of duty 1/2/3 games, it's ashame where the series has gone.

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Comment #72 by TheMuffin
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 07:11:19 PM
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Is the engine dated? Yes. But here is the real problem. Neither Infinity Ward nor Treyarch seem to remember what the term "vibrant" means. Of course it can run at 60 FPS when you use the same brown, black or grey texture over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. DICE is not exempt from this either. BF3 was retardly dull and blue looking. That hack that recently came out was the best thing to happen since it's release. All of these developers (aside from Bungie and 343) seem to forget that games are supposed to have color. Desaturated tones are not realistic as much as movies, tv and most games would have us believe.

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Comment #73 by TheSilvermaster
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 07:49:18 PM
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@ 60 30 or 60 its just Call of Duty claiming credit for something again when they just copied it from someone else the engine they use isn't even theirs its a modification of the ID Tech engine created by ID Software because at one time both ID Software and Infinity Ward both worked for Activision. 30 or 60 wasn't my point my point was pointing out that Call of Duty claimed to be the smoothest running FPS out there when in actuality I can name a game that isn't even all that good like 2011's Bodycount which ran smoother or as Smooth as say Modern Warfare 3. But go ahead insult me like the COD fan that you are, COD fans never bring logic or reasoning into an argument they just get pissed off. And they only way COD runner smoother than all the games I mentioned is a proven fact depends on how much weed you smocked last time you played COD.

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Comment #74 by IRA GUNNER AFC
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 08:32:12 PM
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is that ps2

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Comment #75 by Delow317
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 09:42:20 PM
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@ 70, no one here gives a fuck what you think you pompus Nerd. Maybe I should copy and paste your PM's here and prove once and for all you are no better than the shithead cocksucker you attacked.

Seriously dude, you have some issues. Sorry excuse for an Irish Canadian to say the least. Chump! :)

Maybe it's YOU WHO SHOULD GIVE A FUCK ABOUT OTHER'S OPINIONS INSTEAD OF BASHING THEM LIKE some kind of elitist nerd. The double standards alot of you gaming message board nerds possess is just a testiment to the online weened (starting gaming in 1988 lol) newbies your entire fuking generation is.

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Comment #76 by TheyCallMeNooTs
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 10:09:11 PM
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I can't belive anyone would bring Rage into this conversation...
rage looked the way it did and ran the way it did because that's all it had was graphics, Oooo a pretty world, it was so pretty because it was so empty, it'd have never looked that way and ran at 60 if they actually filled the world they created, all graphics no gameplay, easy to make it look nice when you don't need to fill it with objects

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Comment #77 by EngagedMetal7
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:11:01 PM
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Love how CoD updates still get the most comments and views, clearly even though so many people hate on it, it's still the most popular franchise on xbox360a, not to mention it will sell the best :P

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Comment #78 by EngagedMetal7
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:12:53 PM
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@76 rage was a very pretty and a very fun game, but I think that it had the funding cut halfway through, it finished very sudden, not to mention no FPS multiplayer, if that game had had multiplayer, CoD might finally have had some competition.

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Comment #79 by IXISHADOW
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 @ 11:33:50 PM
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Read this and you will understand why CoD needs a new engine. Not Activison's definition of 'New' either.

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Comment #80 by theirishmagnum
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 01:35:19 AM
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@75 I already have a youtube video being processed of all the PM's you sent me about how your going to hack my account and, yet you still haven't...your a pathetic waste of human material that needs to grow up and stop harassing me, I have over 8 messages from you, so I'll be glad yo send you the link when I'm done :D In the meantime, back on topic with COD, does anyone think that new select a different route choice thing's could be pretty cool?! I'll admit although it's campaign only, still be interesting to see if they in-pact a change in the story or maby a different ending? That would be kinda cool? any thought's people?

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Comment #81 by Dragonmaster700
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 01:40:19 AM
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How can anyone honestly think this game is gorgeous? Have you never played Rage, Crysis 2, The Witcher 2, Gears 3 or Battlefield 3? Hell, even Skyrim with its huge world looks just as good or better than CoD. It doesnt help that the gameplay in CoD is stale as hell, basically no changes over the last several years.

I understand why Activision doesnt spend the money on a new engine, tons of people buy every new CoD so why bother right? But Im betting when the new Xbox and the PS4 come out, CoD fans are going to in for a huge shock when all the other shooters look and run great on Unreal Engine 4, CryEngine 3, or Frostbite2...and CoD is either still using the same old ass engine, or running or looking terrible on a new engine because Activision didnt bother upgrading engines so IW and Treyarch will be behind the curve on the new engines and graphics tech.

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Comment #82 by xThrasher1984x
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 01:52:00 AM
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Same shit, different game.

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Comment #83 by xbox360freak222
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 02:00:24 AM
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do people not realize to build a new game engine takes at least 2 years

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Comment #84 by TheSilvermaster
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 02:39:28 AM
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@81 Yes that's exactly what I was trying to say.

@83 and do you realize DICE created The Frostbite 2.0 engine while also working on Battlefield Bad Company 2 and designing the 2010 Medal of Honor's multiplayer. Besides Call of Duty has had a lot more than 2 years to come up with a new graphics engine and they have failed to do so because they are either to lazy or don't think they have to do anything to get millions of dollars in profit.

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Comment #85 by darkdeath174
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 02:50:02 AM
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@28 can't really count Unreal and Frostbite, they aren't still on their first generation of the engine. Source on the other hand is still first gen and even older than CoD 2's engine, yet no one really complains about that haha

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Comment #86 by metallicorphan
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 04:21:13 AM
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Call of duty 2 is my favourite,shame no one plays it online anymore

CoD W@W needs a serious patch,way too much cheating/hacking whatever

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Comment #87 by wza 1337
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 04:22:02 AM
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my favs over the years are def. source engine, unreal engine, engine used for cod, cry engine .

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Comment #88 by Skilled
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 06:49:03 AM
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I personally gave up on it at MW2, A fresh engine with awesome graphics and fresh new game play and story and I'd consider it again. Till then I don't want to feel like I'm being milked.

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Comment #89 by macd
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 06:49:18 AM
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I have no issues with them using this if it is the same/updated version of the same engine used in CoD4, Mw2, MW3 & Blops.

Seems fair enough, if it ain't broke, and isn't lagging behind the competition and losing you sales, then it seems okay to me.

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Comment #90 by Delow317
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 03:59:05 PM
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@ 80 I'm looking foward to it. Too bad your video won't have any appeal once I mention the fact that you were too much of a guttless coward to converse with me over the Mic. It's funny how your pathetic online weened generation thinks it's ok to diss someone with a video or through text when you don't have the cerebral integrity to do it in real time, much less the testicular fortitude required for that!

Funny how you kids claim ownage over the internet while the rest of the real world knows what kind of cowards you all really are! :)

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Comment #91 by Delow317
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 04:10:41 PM
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@ 80

Also I find it funny because I too have kept a log of all your PMs. It's quite obvious to any adult that you are the one who is butthurt here. Why? You would actually take the time to make a video with screenshots of my PM's towards you! Don't worry son, one day when you grow up and have realized the errors of your thinking, you will see just how dumb you made yoursef as a whole.

I never said I was going to hack your account? Not me anyways! :)

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Comment #92 by Dr Popodopolus
Thursday, October 11, 2012 @ 05:30:53 PM
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Reading this. This kind of argument doesn't happen on the articles for the other games.

But seriously x360a needs to STOP THIS KIND OF SHIT.

This website is just a clusterfuck when a Call of Duty article is published, I remember in 2008 how civilised things were when I joined this site. FUCK.

Let's go over to TA and compare the level of intellect shown within the comments for the same article.

Oh, wait, they haven't published a news item so nonsensical and pointless.

"David Vondehaar defends Black Ops 2's engine"

Well of course he fucking is going to defend Call of Duty when he's developing it.


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