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Games for the next generation Xbox will require an internet connection in order to function and block the use of pre-owned games.

That’s according to a new report by Edge, citing "sources with first-hand experience of Microsoft's next generation console," which states that Xbox Live will become an "integral" rather than "optional" feature of Microsoft’s next console.

The report claims that retail games will come packed with an “activation code” which ensure that no more than one user can play each title. In the words of the report, games will have "no function beyond the initial users.”

"Given its experience with 70 million-plus 360 console stats, Microsoft has accumulated enough user data to make the decision to go online-only with its successive hardware one that adds up," says the report.

"Microsoft's hand has been guided by the PC gaming landscape, and viewed through a particular lens it makes sense, even if unbelievers will take some convincing."

"Ultimately, Microsoft has asked itself a simple question: who wants to play games on a next-generation Xbox and yet doesn't have access to the internet? The answer: not enough to make a considerable difference."

According to stats revealed by Microsoft earlier this month, 75.9 million Xbox 360s have been sold since release, and Xbox Live users are now in excess of 40 million. If the next Xbox is to feature these anti-pre-owned measures, then that’s a big chunk of potentially alienated users.

As ever, please treat this rumours as just that. But remember, it’s not the first time we’ve seen anti-used games systems discussed.




 
 

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Comment #1 by Dirty130
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:43:20 AM
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This is bad news..
StarStar


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Comment #2 by ZX47
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:44:26 AM
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Goodbye game.


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Comment #3 by chaoschao222
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:44:54 AM
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That's some very bad news if it all ends up confirmed.


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Comment #4 by Doughnut Jimmy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:45:59 AM
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I hope its just a rumour! i buy pre owned games all the time, as most games these days ain't worth their retail price.


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Comment #5 by Bigfun4040
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:46:00 AM
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Something like this would make me think long and hard about getting the new console. Really hope it's just a rumor and not based in truth


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Comment #6 by CraayzeeEyez
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:46:08 AM
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so im guessing as the pre-owned market will be destroyed the games will be cheaper to buy initially????


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Comment #7 by Crimson Ridley
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:46:56 AM
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If it's true that are blocking the use of pre-owned games, I don't think I can justify buying a new console. No longer will I be able to play many games, because I'll have to really decide just how long I'll be playing a game for. If I buy a game and finish it within a few days, that's wasted money because I can't trade it in towards another game. Refunds are alsoout of the question.

I can't buy a pre-owned game if I'm not sure how much I'll like the game, and I definitely cannot rent it.

They're going to lose a lot of money using this strategy as only a few games are going to sold as people will not want to part with their money when there is no guarantee of even enjoying the game.

If you can sell a house, why can't you sell a game?


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Comment #8 by Chaos MAN
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:46:56 AM
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I don't think this is true.


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Comment #9 by macd
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:47:20 AM
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If they do this, I'll protest in the only way I can - with my wallet.

I completely disagree with them doing this. Also, what happens if your connection drops? Automatic lock out of console?

No, Microsoft do this and I switch to another brand for my main console. I don't really buy many preowned games (probably 3-5% of my games are preowned) but this move is just awful imo.


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Comment #10 by Wanz1
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:48:13 AM
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I wouldn't hold them to it. this wouldn't be the first time false info was sent out via internet.


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Comment #11 by Chibiuk
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:48:43 AM
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So thats most the games I would normally rent or play second hand or wait until its cheaper out of the window. Its a stupid idea, they will see console and game sales drop massively


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Comment #12 by Wing Gundam Zero
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:49:10 AM
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So what if your internet isn't working?


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Comment #13 by Grey Delta
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:49:13 AM
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Ill be playing the PS4 then


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Comment #14 by Frozenghost001
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:49:32 AM
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so for the people that have two xboxs in their home, like me, now i gotta buy two copies of every game just so me and my lil brother can play them on our own xboxes!? that's some bull...


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Comment #15 by calex deus
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:49:43 AM
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If true it would cut the number of games i play significantly, I don't often buy pre-owned but I have got a few older games that could not be bought new, also when I pick up a new game on launch day I've either sold games on ebay etc or trade them in to fund it.

While I can see how this in some ways hurts developers, it also benefits as I buy more games and associated dlc.

One answer would be to drop the price of new games to make it more attractive to buy new ones, but that will never happen given the shrinking margins for all involved and the spiraling costs of making games...... and the fact that when a new system launches game prices jump for the first 6-12 months in some places.


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Comment #16 by Lord Dirt
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:50:53 AM
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I don't see an internet connection required as that would take away from millions of units sold as there are still millions of gamers out there without an internet connection. Weird I know but true.


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Comment #17 by ZingZitang
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:51:25 AM
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I highly doubt this will happen.


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Comment #18 by Crimson Ridley
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:52:16 AM
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The pre-owned market wouldn't be apparently destroying the games industry if you could pay full price for a game, and actually get the full game. Who wants to pay £40-50 for a game, only to be told there is more coming out for it, content that is locked on-disc, and apparent "pre-order" incentives?

When I buy a pre-owned game and then the DLC I still don't pay as much as I would buying the game at full retail price. Maybe their strategy should involve making everything available for the silly price they are asking.


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Comment #19 by Iconoclast Envy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:52:37 AM
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If it is true it won't last more than a few months because it will ruin their sales.


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Comment #20 by Clarky08
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:52:38 AM
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I think this will affect sales and there profits. Personally I buy a lot of games but I very rarely pay full price and when I do its because I've traded in a couple to bring the cost down to £20.

If people can't trade in games that they dislike, there are going to be a lot more angry customers and people will no doubt wait for several reviews before parting with there cash. The usual Milked franchises will be fine but little unknown Gems will fail to be discovered.

Rental companies will now be finished in the games market as well.

Developers would be far better negotiating with GAME stores etc to ensure they get a cut of preowned sales as I believe at present, all this money goes to the retailer.

I'm sure GAME and other retailers would prefer this to losing their preowned market altogether.


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Comment #21 by Blumpenstein
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:53:29 AM
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lolwat? DRM for an entire console? I'll be moving over to PC if that's the case. I always play online, but requiring it and blocking pre-owned games is a little excessive.


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Comment #22 by thisispreston
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:53:47 AM
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if this is true, the end of my console days are near.... no way i'm paying £xxx for a new console when i'm only guna be able to afford 3 games a year. the only way this would be ok is if the price of new games drops drastically, like at least 50%, they would have to cost £20 max. but we all know they won't, they'll be more if anything.


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Comment #23 by Mr Chr15topher
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:53:51 AM
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But what if I want to borrow a friend's game to try before I buy?! As much as I love the Xbox, I really do hate Micro$oft's business practises.


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Comment #24 by porter20
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:54:12 AM
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didnt MS say a year or 2 ago this is what they where planning to do with their next console along with kincet only no gamerpads, if this is true MS need aswell not even release the 3rd xbox and retire for the console market.


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Comment #25 by CheshireMulisha
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:54:47 AM
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Bad, bad, bad...


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Comment #26 by hammycfc1888
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:55:31 AM
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I Have 4 xbox 360 2 houses and my kids get loads of games so If my boy wants a game I cant get alone of it Well I will not get the next xbox as internet only and I cant swap my games MS you have just fucked youself over if you do this I will Need to get P23 TBH I gave out my gears of war PC code to over 25 gamers So its not a one off code it can be used over and over like 50 times max


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Comment #27 by Lothra
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:55:59 AM
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If its true then i simply won't buy Microsoft next Xbox, and alot of other gamers will follow suit.

I will just buy a competitors console that does not block pre-owned, be it the PS4, WiiU, Ouya, Steambox etc



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Comment #28 by KBeastMode
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:57:14 AM
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If this happens, say goodbye to gamefly, redbox games and any other game rental service. Also game retailers will lose a lot of money if they cannot sell preowned games.

I don't use gamefly, but I know enough people who have it to say that this will become a great disappointment


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Comment #29 by UberPirateNinja
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:58:13 AM
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Man, I hope not. Between me and my kids I have 3 xboxes, I don't want to have to buy 3 copies of any games we might all be interested in.


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Comment #30 by Corbyite
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:59:29 AM
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PS propaganda


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Comment #31 by RonMax86
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:59:44 AM
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Why do these articles seem like market testing for the comments.
This will work if...if...if


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Comment #32 by ONE Disco Bob
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:01:42 AM
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The more rumors I read about Microsoft and Sony's plans for their next gen machines the less I want one.


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Comment #33 by hammycfc1888
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:01:52 AM
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Will hold out cant see MS doing this to the gamers what made the XBOX 360 what it is today


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Comment #34 by Desobomber
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:01:57 AM
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Honestly, I pray this is a rumor. However I can see this rumor being spread around because it generates media attention for the new console. If it is in fact a rumor, when it is confirmed to be wrong, everyone will jump for joy and go nuts over the actual console. This brings us to the question, Media builder? or Actually dicking over more the 50% of their gaming population?


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Comment #35 by Darkdefiler84
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:01:59 AM
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Anyone who plays seriously on PC has been living with this for years now. The difference is you wait a year and get a game with all dlc for £4-£7 in a steam sale. My most recent purchases are Saints Row The Third (inc. all dlc) for £6.50 and Max Payne 3 (inc all dlc) for £7... you'll never see those kinds of discounts on xbox live for a full retail game.


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Comment #36 by Kailon791
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:01:59 AM
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To those freaking out about used games, you can't blame the company for wanting to make the money they deserve. GameStop is stealing a large amount of profits from studios that should be reaping the reward for their hard work, and are instead getting nothing. The problem I have isn't with buying used, but with renting games. My local video store allows me to try these games before I buy them, or lets me burn through less than great games for an appropriate price. That would be the biggest loss to me.

I have no problem with XBL being required though. I always have my system connected anyway and always feel lost when I don't have it online, even if its just for needing a time stamp on my achievements. If they make it so that XBL is required, they'll be able to do a lot more great things that they can't now because not all can access them and they have to make alternatives.


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Comment #37 by toolieo
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:02:19 AM
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If this happens then goodbye Xbox, welcome back to pc gaming.
At least then I can try mods for some games.
Skyrim mods look awesome.


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Comment #38 by ClydeFrosch1983
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:02:36 AM
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shit


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Comment #39 by deathdealerv
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:03:14 AM
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if this is true the money I’m saving up is going towards a good pc, hopefully it's just a rumour.


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Comment #40 by Bistric
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:03:38 AM
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I am not planning to buy a new console in the next few years anyway, until I clear my massive backlog of games I bought used from e-bay cheaply. If this rumor turns out to be true, I'll switch my plan to never. And less because of used games, more because of Internet connection. This is a great strategy to entice people to buy a Playstation, for sure.


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Comment #41 by Tsaako
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:04:31 AM
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@27 It's also been rumoured PS4 will be doing the same too.


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Comment #42 by Sanchezz4387
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:04:38 AM
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75.9 million Xbox 360s have been sold since release
Xbox Live users are now in excess of 40 million.

so of all consoles sold, only half the amount of people have xbox live? thats a lot of people they are losing out on.....my pc has to be connected constantly to play and it annoys the shit out of me even for SP games BUT my Pc is infinitely better than a console, my gaming furure is set i will not be purchasing a new xbox, this next gen of consoles may well be the last, i can not see how consoles can now compete with pcs when they pull this bull shit


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Comment #43 by Kailon791
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:05:10 AM
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@6 Sadly no, the used game market doesn't play into the cost of a game at all. The $60 pricetag mostly goes toward licencing fees and publishing agreements to the studios and companies that control that IP. The actual cost to print a copy of a game is about 1 dollar, but the cost has to be higher to offset the millions they have to pay for the licences and other legal fees.


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Comment #44 by icegardner9
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:05:31 AM
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This could be bad news for them, The used game idea is crap. If they are going to do that then the games need to be cheaper. And what happens if your internet goes out for no reason. I'm waiting to see what Sony and Microof do wth the next gen before I choose which on to go to


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Comment #45 by MickeyT
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:05:34 AM
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I guess 2013 will be the golden age of gaming.. since alot of people will decide this is the end.. we get stung on high prices then done over on DLC, I'll be one of those 2 games a year guy..


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Comment #46 by Skode
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:05:53 AM
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If they want to approach it this way then fine... make xbox live free and make Games on Demand or whatever it will be called on the next version of xbox live actually competitive in pricing with say Steam. I will only truly embrace a world of no preowned games when it is financially more viable to do so.

Still if they pull this one off then there isnt a dev team outside of Sony/Nintendo owned ones which wont want to be on board with a console titan which actually turns 2 million unique users of their games much closer into 2 million unique BUYERS of their game.


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Comment #47 by vader359
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:06:08 AM
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what???!!!!! why? thats retarded. do they not realize how lucrative the pre-owned market is? if this is true it could seriously hurt business's like gamestop. also what happens if your connection is down or what if microsofts servers are down? i guess i wont be getting the next xbox.


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Comment #48 by ModernSith2010
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:06:17 AM
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If Microsoft do that, they will be shooting there self in the foot, as a couple of my friends don't have broadband/internet so microsoft will be limiting there potential customers. Why should you be forced to have a internet connection if you do not want one and just want to play games by yourself or split screen.

Why should people be forced to have internet just to play games for the single player aspect/split screen, why should my mate be forced to pay BT(only provider in his area) £13 a month for 16Mb connection and 10Gb download limit, plus an extra £15 a month line rental for a total of £28 a month when all he would get is a max of 2Mb, when he is right above a library which has broadband/internet which he can use for nothing, saving himself £28 a month, which he can put to better uses as let's face it that internet connection isn't worth £28 a month.


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Comment #49 by DarnedCargo
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:06:20 AM
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I am no longer going to buy a next gen console or any microsoft product and i've cancelled my gold subscription unless they're going to chage £10 a game.


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Comment #50 by Willz968
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:06:34 AM
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If this is true, the cost of new releases (both their retail and digital prices) would have to come down considerably for me to consider the console. Admittedly it is pretty much the same with Steam, as your games are tied to your account, but at least with Steam the prices are priced accordingly so that the cost isn't too hard to swallow.

As for the online part... I would personally be fine with a one-time online validation (again, if prices are adjusted accordingly), as for the most part I always have an internet connection, but I will have to pass if internet is always required to do anything, as my internet is still prone to drop out.

And for those who are saying they'll just get a PS4 instead, rumour is (note: just a rumour) that the PS4 will also block pre-owned games. Looks like it's potentially PC + Wii U for me this gen.


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Comment #51 by CornishMessiah
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:06:38 AM
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What a scamming load of B******S! so much for buying games on the cheap.


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Comment #52 by Penguino Rojo
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:06:47 AM
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This looks like a rumor. If it isn't announced directly by MS, then Edge could be pulling it out of their ass.


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Comment #53 by Joel2211
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:07:09 AM
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#28 agreed, there's going to be a lot of company's biting the dust if this is true. Even if I do get one ill end up just getting games I know like the Witcher 3 or the rumored Fallout 4 that is supposedly going next gen. Sucks cause I like trying out the crappy games that I can rent or buy very cheap.....guess no more browsing at GameStop.


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Comment #54 by Vigor
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:07:15 AM
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1 user per title.. say goodbye to your alt accounts.
Gold is humiliated by PS+ anyway these days so FU and goodbye microsoft.

They will dig their own and many other graves if they push this through.


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Comment #55 by VicRattlehead
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:08:02 AM
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I dont' buy used games so for me it's not really a problem but I still hate DRM because they hit only who pay for the game, it's totally stupid


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Comment #56 by ThePakirow
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:08:22 AM
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well ... im inclined to adopt PC


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Comment #57 by littlejay
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:10:31 AM
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I don't think MS can force people to ship their games with activation codes like that. That sounds like something the publisher would have to do (like online passes). Plus, Gamestop and Gamefly (and other similar services/stores) would be out of business if that happened.


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Comment #58 by howler77
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:10:52 AM
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i've been a gamer over 20 years... if any of this is true, it may be time to quit. the future of video games is always looking a little darker lately.


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Comment #59 by KuShNsTieN
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:11:27 AM
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Hold your horses guys, wait till M$ confirms this then we can rage lol


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Comment #60 by Mr n mrs raichu
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:11:44 AM
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I will definitely be switching over to ps4, thanks for all the good times Microsoft.


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Comment #61 by OldSkoolGamer
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:12:01 AM
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"According to stats revealed by Microsoft earlier this month, 75.9 million Xbox 360s have been sold since release".

And how many of those are because peoples consoles Red Ringed or otherwise broke down outside the warranty period. I know I've bought three myself. So realistically you could probably at least halve that number.

OT: I like XBox, but if Micro$oft do this (and rumour has it that Sony might be doing it too) I might just have to build a gaming PC and have that as my main gaming machine.


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Comment #62 by TheSipuli91
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:14:44 AM
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If this is true then good bye Microsoft. Most of my games are pre-owned simply because I can't justify paying €69 a game and I share games with my friends and I don't have an internet connection upstairs...


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Comment #63 by Empire of Dirt
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:15:02 AM
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Ha fuck this if it's true. I along with a lot of others won't buy into it.


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Comment #64 by blleiffer
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:15:32 AM
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If this is true then I will not be buying this console. Im sure they will also receive less to no support from companies such as gamestop. This is an outrage a direct attack on gaming in general.


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Comment #65 by SeraphTC
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:16:39 AM
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Taking this with a MASSIVE pinch of salt for now.

The retail market is GOOD for gaming - it puts huge amounts of advertising on the high street, and that generates revenue. This approach is going to kill the preowned market, and with it the high street vendors who rely on it to survive (given the often very poor profit margins from hardware/new games sales).

That means a huge reduction in free advertising for the industry, and retail outlets for this new generation of consoles.

It screams of a method to lose money to me.

The reason it's worked on PC? The second-hand PC games market was tiny (in comparison) to begin with, so it never really caused retailers a problem. Not only that, but PC games are quite often a lot cheaper to download than to buy at retail (thanks steam sales!). So, unless this new console comes with a user-upgradeable hard drive (to store the huge downloads) and some serious cost reduction at launch for new games (yeah, right...) then I can't see this working.

Sounds like more unsubstantiated BS at this point.


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Comment #66 by Jaganboy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:16:42 AM
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I'm waiting to see what actually happens. If this is true then I'm switching to PS4. If they have the same view on where video games should go, then this generation of consoles will most likely be my last, which is truly a shame.


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Comment #67 by GOWnage
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:17:32 AM
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If this is true I'll be angry for a bit then buy the console anyway.


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Comment #68 by Craigimuss
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:18:28 AM
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@54 agreed. MS will screw themselves out of the market if this is true. PS+ is far better than Gold considering how many full games/themes/avatars they give you. I don't use my PS3 nearly as much as the Xbox; but I won't hesitate to switch if these rumors are true. I hope people protest this and don't buy the new Xbox if it's true; but I think a lot of people still will...


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Comment #69 by RedstoneFanatic
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:19:05 AM
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I've heard these rumors for Sony's next console too. Why does everyone all of a sudden think no backwards compatibility, no used games, and an always-online internet connection is a good idea?


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Comment #70 by Woody28
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:19:22 AM
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Required online connection? doubtful
I don't think Microsoft are suicidal enough to alienate half their consumers. Remember, there are people who still don't use XBOX LIVE. For microsoft to do that would be business suicide. They may be money hungry beasts, but they're not stupid.

just another "source" claiming they have the inside scoop


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Comment #71 by Sanchezz4387
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:19:41 AM
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as one person and myself have said, pc games do this (account locked games), BUT PC games are competetively priced, i got Dishonored AND Far Cry 3 last month for a combined £42 off steam, go on xbox live and dishonored is £39.99 on demand......black ops 1 is still £40 and you think who makes this up? ill stick with my 360,ps3 and pc, at least i can just keep upgrading my PC to run future games


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Comment #73 by Lazy_FAQer
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:20:41 AM
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80 million consoles & 40 million users? Well, I have had 360s since launch & am on my fourth or fifth console. That may weaken the 'only half have ever been online, you are going to alienate these offline users' argument, as I bet many of us here have also had more than one console(GrrRROD!).So we can see that most users are online.

This is actually good for the games industry & gamers who buy their games. Personally, I don't rent or buy second hand... I prefer to try a demo & read a review or two... you know , do some reserch in to whether the game is any good or not.

Anybody who really loves games & is not a short-sighted & self-serving individual can this is a positive. People will only buy the good games & the rubbish devs will close through lack of sales. Gaming survival of the fittest!

The king is dead! Long live the king!

Now bring on the thumbs down you mollycoddled spoilt brats!


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Comment #74 by Vaalencar
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:22:05 AM
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Hey, think about it. They will gain more profits from this strategy. You will be able to use a pre-owned games, but the activation code will be sold via xbox marketplace, just like the way the sell online pass nowadays. Everybody will still buy the used games or rent it, and they just have to pay, I dont know, another 10bucks maybe just for the activation code.

They're getting more and more greedy, I see.


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Comment #75 by Lazy_FAQer
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:22:12 AM
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Sorry for the double post, but yeah, if this goes ahead, LIVE should be free.


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Comment #76 by ashleary
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:22:31 AM
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I was going to say "what? internet only?!? what if there's a power cut - my modem won't work and I won't be able to connect to the internet"......

Oh wait...


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Comment #77 by priwogic
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:22:41 AM
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internet connection I could see happening, but game sales would crash people will only buy titles they think they would get a lot use out of for a start.


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Comment #78 by El Grave
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:22:50 AM
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"According to stats revealed by Microsoft earlier this month, 75.9 million Xbox 360s have been sold since release, and Xbox Live users are now in excess of 40 million. "


So 35 million users that don't use xbox live isn't significant enough?
(75,9-40 million xbox live users=35 million estimate offline users)


If this is true, I'm seriously looking at another console brand, and if that brand also starts with this crap I guess I will find another hobby or maybe go illegal XD Never would, but this is the only reason I would.


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Comment #79 by skatermike21988
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:24:10 AM
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This would essentially screw over people who own multiple consoles. Like for instance I have 3 xbox 360s, each in a different room. If this situation were true, I'd have to buy three copies of the same game to be able to play it in my other rooms. If this is the case for next gen count me out. I'll stick to the 360 and the enormous backlog of games. And use my pc for new titles that I really want to play.


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Comment #80 by upindat
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:24:42 AM
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bye bye game fly!! lol


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Comment #81 by oORuffusOo
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:25:56 AM
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Well good bye GameStop and most other gaming chain stores. No way they can stay afloat without used games.


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Comment #82 by DarnedCargo
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:26:41 AM
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To anyone saying that this DOESN'T bother them well it should because if we keep giving them the greenlight to do shit like this then the next thing you know is the consoles will be GPS registered to you and your address and other crazy shit like that to make it easier for them to milk us for money.


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Comment #83 by Eliasmcfly
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:27:21 AM
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What i have a hard time swallowing is the fact that they are saying even if you buy the xbox and buy the games if you dont buy xbox live then you cant play? Or is it just have it plugged into the internet?


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Comment #84 by killjoy30025
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:27:53 AM
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If the price of a new game is reduced 30-40% then I may stay with xbox, but the Steam box is looking very tempting. I think I will still wait for an announcement before making a decision.

Plus I take it Microsoft are not including replacement consoles because of the RROD in the 79.5 million figure, because I have had 3 consoles replaced since the Elite was released.


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Comment #85 by Dasha UK
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:28:01 AM
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I won't be buying one if that's the case,I'll get a ps4 (if that's still able to use pre owned games)


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Comment #86 by Lazy_FAQer
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:28:02 AM
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Thinking about it, if this goes ahead, maybe all the poor gamers & chavs, dole scroungers & druggies will have to give up this hobby.

Maybe gaming will become the past time of the social elite & upper classes? The new fox huntiong or polo?

Lols imagine not having to suffer offensive plebs online anymore?
or hearing chavs tell their mums that they wanted beans not peas with their turkey drummers?


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Comment #87 by Im Mr Stefan
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:28:23 AM
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I'm not too worried about this as I remember hearing the exact same rumour of single use games about the 360 and PS3 before they were released.

Also I'm sick of seeing the name Xbox 720, it makes me want to drink bleach (maybe a slight over reaction)


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Comment #88 by jarheadwayne
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:29:47 AM
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"Ultimately, Microsoft has asked itself a simple question: who wants to play games on a next-generation Xbox and yet doesn't have access to the internet? The answer: not enough to make a considerable difference."

If this is true, I think fail Microsoft fail to understand that many of the 40 million Live users out there are actually "dummy" accounts. Or how many households have 4 accounts, but only use two because it's cheaper to buy the family pack. There are also people like my brother, who sometimes can't afford to renew his Gold account, so he creates a new one for the free trial period. On top of all that, there are the people, like myself, who won't buy the new console for whatever reasons we may have.


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Comment #89 by MasterSparky
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:29:48 AM
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Come on! By doing this they would destroy the very shops that are selling their games. If they do this then bye bye xbox


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Comment #90 by Foreseen 360
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:30:17 AM
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Not worth getting over excited about, it's only a rumour. Just like last year when everyone was saying that the next Xbox won't have a disk drive. Now it's saying that there will be, so wait til MS confirm, before believing!


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Comment #91 by chrisrforeman
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:30:33 AM
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If true, this would be the end of Gamefly. I really wish the console manufacturers would get together with rental companies and stores that re-sell used games like GameStop and come up with some sort of profit sharing plan on used games.


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Comment #92 by Eoth
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:30:37 AM
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Well that sucks. I dropped out of PC gaming because of all the DRM and always online shit. Now they are bringing it to my xbox as well?

Hmmm guess I'll have time to read some books now....

But seriously I don't like this at all. And in no way will this counter piracy. It will make the used game market a lot smaller but I for one never pay full price for any game so I'll just wait for bargain bins now.


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Comment #93 by Deano09
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:30:45 AM
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YES I AM GOING TO WRITE THIS IN CAPS.

IF THIS IS TRUE U ARE GOING TO LOSE ALOT AND I MEAN ALOT OF CUSTOMERS. WHATS UP MICROSOFT. YOU TAKING A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH SO YOU ONLY BENEFIT THE RICH.

WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SCRIMP AND SCRAP TO BUY A CONSOLE BUT NOT FORTUNATE TO HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION. YOU JUST GOING TO PUSH THEM OUT !!.

I HAVE 2 XBOX ONE FOR DOWN STAIRES ONE FOR UP. SO IF I WANNA GO CHILL IN BED I TAKE MY GAME UP STAIRES TO CHILL OUT WITH. SO YOU THINK THAT I SHOULD BUY 2 DICS JUST BECAUSE I WANNA CHANGE ROOMS. NOT A FUC*ING CHANCE...

BYE BYE XBOX HELLO PS4


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Comment #94 by Gentleman
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:31:10 AM
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I can't believe some people above me here are too dumb to think Microsoft would actually do that.

I mean, yeah sure they've done some pretty daft things before but even they aren't THAT stupid.

Seriously guys, shut up.


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Comment #95 by Andreas_loel
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:31:37 AM
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Internet connection at all times is a nono for me, might be time to move on


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Comment #96 by Lazy_FAQer
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:32:43 AM
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THICKOS NEED TO LEARN TO READ THE ARTICLE!


80 million XBOXES sold
40 million USER PROFILES online.

You cannot take one away from another! It is like subtracting apples from oranges you uneducated oiks!

If every online user has had 2 xboxes (through RROD) that would equla the 80 million. Ta Da!

There are NOT 35 million offline users. Guaranteed.


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Comment #97 by Foreseen 360
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:32:49 AM
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Also, maybe the developers put these rumours on the net to see what kind of reaction they get from them, so they know whether or not to implement these idea's into the console!


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Comment #98 by Im Mr Stefan
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:33:02 AM
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@93 LOUD NOISES!


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Comment #99 by glennvolio
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:33:27 AM
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If this is true, then I will never buy a game brand new; I will wait until it's $20. And I will not be buying it on release day; I'll wait until that drops in price too. I can't stand nonsense like this.


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Comment #100 by todgill12
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:34:44 AM
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Well it is a good thing that I have a large back log of games to play so I do not need a 720. What a rip off.


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Comment #101 by Wolfie99
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:36:18 AM
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If this is the case, then for any game I want, I will be waiting 1 year + until they come down in price to £10-£15.
I did that for Borderlands before Christmas, £15 for the GOTY edition. The DLC alone costs more than that, even today!

No way am I paying full price for games all the time, nevermind all of the "additional" content that DLC apparently provides us. Go look up Perfect Dark from the N64 (or on XBLA), and then see just how much it shames current games with its amount of content, modes and depth.
I've just finished FarCry3 in 5 days, is that really worth £40? Fuck no.

Singleplayer games will have to drop in price to at least half to remain competitive, because whats the point paying £40 for an experience which will be no different in 1, 2 or even 5 years time? Nothing.
I made that mistake with Alan Wake and LA Noire...brilliant games, but no longer will I be wanting to reward the developer up front with my money. No way. They can get rock bottom profit from me instead.

I also fail to see why they NEED an online connection for SINGLEPLAYER games. What about when somebody moves house? Suddenly they can no longer play on their console for potentially weeks / months just because they cant get an internet connection sorted (I had to wait 2.5months before it was sorted).

It only affects MP games, which are entirely dependent on player numbers.

Truthfully, I feel sorry for the staff in stores like Game, etc, because if this rumour is true, then the highstreets are about to get a whole lot quieter and a lot more people are going to be made redundant.
I can understand online passes for games which require online, which whilst we dont like them, it is really a small price to pay to keep developers happy.
This proposal / rumour, is nothing more than simple greed.


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Comment #102 by BADFELLA
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:39:15 AM
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if this is true il get wii-u and ps4 simple


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Comment #103 by xD Rick
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:40:16 AM
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And then Sony will take the lead again...


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Comment #104 by CodyTheGreat7
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:40:59 AM
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If they tried to do that they would have to sell the games for like $20 because games these days wouldn't be worth the full price when you don't even have the option to sell it or even trade with a friend.

If this happens then I guess its back to piracy. I love buying games and supporting the studios, but not when the console makers are just greedy assholes.


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Comment #105 by LeeJ2512
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:41:12 AM
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If it does happen, they will lose a LOT of sales. It's one thing to lose a couple hundred, cos that can be brought back up, but losing tens of millions of sales in the first few months might knock them back quite a bit. Like someone said before, what about people with more than one Xbox? They need to buy TWO copies of every game? Bullshit.

Because games will be useless after using this "code" then retail shops that rely on trade-ins, will be CRUSHED. People won't be able to afford brand new games every damn time they want a game, so that'll lose sales for the brand new and sealed game.

As for the whole internet thing, my internet connection is unbelievably unpredictable, it randomly cuts off most evenings around 9 o clock amongst totally random times. So I could be playing a game, my internet cuts out, and it switches the Xbox off? Or sends me back to the main menu? Losing all my progress?

Not to mention it will destroy GAME shops. Gamestation recently got shut down so my local shop is now a GAME. And 80% of all their games are preowned. HMV was shut down less than a month ago with thousands losing jobs, and they actually sold mostly NEW games, so what does that say?

The world sucks. Go back to the 90's where the world was abundant with brilliant games, no credit crunch, games were affordable prices. The gaming industry is a big industry, but for people like Gamestation/HMV/Blockbusters/Play it's crushing.


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Comment #106 by liam09wafc
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:41:42 AM
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This site needs to stop putting up the rumours, as there FUCKING RUMOURS!!!!!!


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Comment #107 by humveebear
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:43:29 AM
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I have no brand loyalty to any manufacturer, I just buy buy whichever console I think is best for me. Looking more and more like XBOX will not be best for me next gen. Its a shame because MS were doing so well but now seem to going the way of Nintendo in the N64 era, being arrogant and thinking they have a cornered market and they can control everything about it and dole out crap like this. Customers will quickly migrate to better systems when treated like this, and there will be more competition next gen (Valvebox, ect...)


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Comment #108 by Targus
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:44:38 AM
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Considering this is a rumour and Microsoft are a hugely successful company, the figures of "75.9 million Xbox 360s have been sold since release, and Xbox Live users are now in excess of 40 million" would not constitute Microsoft to turn to a 'online-connection-only' era. That would almost be self-suicide in terms of the console wars with other systems.


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Comment #109 by Osckosh
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:45:32 AM
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Bad news, why people think that if they do this retail games will be cheaper, no way they are, i think its going the other way, if you cant buy used games or borrow from friends the prize is going up.

the controll the market then och can set the prizes!!!


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Comment #110 by B1GBR1T
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:46:20 AM
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I'm sorry, but I don't think this is true, as everyone has said that it will indeed destroy their sales.
My internet connection is faulty and every now and again, it'll go off for a few days, usually I just play offline games, Skyrim, Hitman e.t.c. Which means if I did buy the new xbox, I wouldn't be able to play at all.
Also sites like Netflix and Lovefilm wouldn't be able to do their games at all. Renting would be a definite no no, I rent a game, if I really enjoy it, I'll go out and buy it, if I don't, then I won't buy it. One of my pet peeves is having games that I don't play just collecting dust on my shelf, so I go and trade them in somewhere, the Xbox 720 life expectancy will probably be 6 years. I buy about 48 games a year on average, that's a lot of games on my shelf which become absolutely useless to anyone.
I suppose the only thing it would do is stop people from modding their consoles, and downloading the games online. I personally probably would give up on console gaming if this was introduced purely for the fact that it would feel as if I'm being forced to update when they stop making 360 games.


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Comment #111 by Zacry072
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:46:45 AM
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I'm not sure I believe these rumors, but if they were to be true then the decision is simple: PS4 here I come.


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Comment #112 by l.maciver
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:46:48 AM
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What happens if i get a preowned xbox?


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Comment #113 by CACHI 413
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:47:38 AM
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if this is true i will not be getting a xbox720


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Comment #114 by DarkEvolution90
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:47:45 AM
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The "Next Gen" might just be the "Last Gen" of console gaming


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Comment #115 by o D M C o
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:48:29 AM
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MS need to hurry the fuck up and come up with some FACTS about the next gen. A lot of ppl hate the console and it hasnt even been officially announced yet. Why is it that every single rumour regarding the next Xbox has been negative... its under powered, its online only, no backwards compatability, no pre owned games, has anyone whos seen this machine actually got anything positive to say about it, or is it all just sensationalism. Its like the journos want to create negativity and instability within their own industry by destroying a console before it even sees the light of day. Im sure there'll be a 'no achievements'/ 'achievements dont carry over' type story in the near future that some little shit is concocting as a write. Im not gonna read these xbox rumour articles anymore, they're way too depressing, I'll just wait a few months for the truth to come out and then make my decision.


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Comment #116 by MyRifleIsBroken
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:49:15 AM
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Goodbye Lovefilm/Netflix/Gamefly and hello PC, If this happens i will quit console gaming for life and move to pc, consoles will be just too expensive having to buy every title i wish to play


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Comment #117 by Darkdefiler84
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:50:58 AM
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Wish people would stop saying about having multiple consoles in multiple rooms. The game would be registered to your account. You would just log in on whichever console you want to play on and away you go


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Comment #118 by The Produca
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:51:34 AM
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Can everybody just stop pretending to think that a PC is better than a console, and stop shoving your top of the line PCs and steam sales down our throats? They do the same thing, it's simply preference. Not that there's something wrong with PC, I simply can't play games with a keyboard and mouse.


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Comment #119 by LeeJ2512
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:51:47 AM
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Give up on the rumours. Just don't post them, wait till you see something ACTUALLY CONFIRMED, before feeding us this nonsense Lee.

I could start a rumour right now and say that the "Xbox 720" will come with a laser on top of it so if you die in any multiplayer, it fires at you until you get better at the game.

All this stuff doesn't mean anything, Microsoft are probably reading all of this right now and laughing their asses off at us raging and ranting at these pathetic rumours.


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Comment #120 by cheevo360
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:53:05 AM
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If true then Microsoft go to "HELL". I agreed with some of above that might not real. We have wait and see later in date when Microsoft will say that rumour report is real or fake story.

I like pre owned games sometime and it is fun to get and play backlog if I want. But I understand how much for low money people who don't have much money, poor people, people who want pre owned games for try and fun in way as cheap, people want get pre owned games to play because it is useful for them when most of games aren't interested or important so best place to get cheap buy using pre owned games and there lots other reasons for gamers and people to get it. I understand that. If I am Microsoft boss I would let pre owned games to be carry on.

But another hand I understand why if Microsoft not want pre owned games anymore since some games studios problem with money because lots of people used pre owned games to buy so some game studios become problem with money.

Look at THQ (one of publishers gone forever and we knew this is not only reasons why THQ and other publishers gone) as well Nintendo, Sony, Square Enix, Sega got money losing in recent of years. So it maybe affect by used games not only other reasons.

Both 2 side of world is hard to believe. Most of gamers want games cheapers and Game Publishers and Developers want save their business, keep making games for us and all of you as well support money to bring more games in future and DLCs business.

Used games is not only place affect them but there how about rent games? It's might affect game studios.

My personal used games is useful and I understand rent and used games will hurtful publishers and developers (we not want games gone forever in future).


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Comment #121 by Pyloric
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:53:11 AM
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Like everyone else, if this happens I will not be getting and Xbox 720. I'll take up PC gaming, or get a PS4/WiiU. I can't support this kind of nonsense. Online passes are bad enough. . .


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Comment #122 by tananset
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:54:26 AM
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now : DRM software
tomorrow : DRM hardware itslef

understandable but completely disagree to this logic.


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Comment #123 by sticks117
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:56:10 AM
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Not starting a flame wars but if this was/is true then I would seriously consider going with the ps4 providing it did not have the same problem.


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Comment #124 by Nevander
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:58:29 AM
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No choice, no buy.


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Comment #125 by packers4life12
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:58:50 AM
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I don't mind buying all my games new, but if me and my wife can't play the same disc I'm done....Seriously. Hopefully Sony releases good news about the PS4 at the end of this month.


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Comment #126 by bigdave787
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 08:59:38 AM
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shocking stuff.. i definitelty will NOT be buying this if it is true. (and no i will not be one of the people who says "im not going to buy this" then queue's up at midnight to get it)... i genuinely mean i wont be buying this, hopefully it is just a rumour but if it is true then thats the end of xbox for me anyway.



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Comment #127 by Gone4aDuck
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:01:23 AM
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Perhaps there's good cause to call it the Xbox 720 after all. Simply because if these plans go ahead, 720 is about how many units they will sell.
Seriously though, it's a good job I love my 360. Cos that's the machine I will be sticking with.
IMO though, I'm thinking this is what Microsoft WANTS to do. But there just testing the water to see the public reaction. And as you can see (anyone reading this from Microsoft) it ain't a good one!


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Comment #128 by Tubby 94
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:01:40 AM
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Get the fuck outta here Microsoft, not every has the money to constantly buy new releases.


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Comment #129 by Triplewing
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:03:29 AM
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They can do this if they want, if they do, i will be very very picky to which games i buy, if indeed i even buy the console anyway.

I don't think they will do it.


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Comment #130 by Cuthred
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:04:33 AM
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don't care as this gen is last gen for me anyway (still have hundreds of games to play)


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Comment #131 by DragonessAthena
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:04:43 AM
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I always play online, but no used games would really stink. I either wait for a game to drop in price or just buy it used. I seriously don't understand the developer mentality of crying at used game sales, when people can just wait it out until a game drops in price and buy it for 1/2 off brand new.


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Comment #132 by Targus
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:04:58 AM
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@96, that's not the point. Offline gamers is still a huge niche in the market. Moreover, what about people that suddenly don't wish to be connected to the internet or have internet issues (i.e., students) - that makes their Xbox unusable just because it isn't connected to the internet? I know plenty of people that move into student accomodation or move away, cancel their subsciptions to XBL or merely disconnect it and just play with groups of people OFFLINE.

Albeit a rumour, it's an absolutely absurd business tactic - it practically makes 2player offline co-op/splitscreen multiplayer obsolete - a gaming mechanism that added to the longevitiy of games and not to mention additional sales. It also makes their "Kinect" hardware worthless as the majority of people who have bought that are families who tend to NOT be connected to XBL. How many hardcore XBL users have bought Kinect seperately (away from any console deal)? I'll wager less than 10%, even less than 5%.

I also think just the idea of a connection-only era is massively premature.


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Comment #133 by Comatose
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:07:24 AM
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Been gaming since the 80's. If this happens, I will find some new hobbies because I'm done. Requiring an internet connection? What if my connection goes down? What if my net gets shut off? Now I can't play my console either? I rarely trade in games, But I do borrow games from time to time to see if I may like them, If I do, I buy them so I don't have to worry about giving it back to a friend. With as much money and I have put into my 360 with games, peripherals, DLC, and countless other things, this feels like a betrayal if it is true. It will be a sad day, But if this happens, Its time to go outside and get a tan because gaming is over for me.


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Comment #134 by n0b0dyz
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:08:12 AM
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sooo that means gamefly and other game rental services are going to die


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Comment #135 by Kahn13
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:08:28 AM
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@123 - You're not the only one. These days it's not like Microsoft have a lot going for their console(s) as it is in regards to exclusive games. And it's almost rather arrogant on their part if they impose this kind of crap on their console - as if they expect their potential customers to adhere to their petty expectations and fall in line.

Granted Sony could still do the same with the PS4, but at this stage they'd be wise not to follow in Microsoft's footsteps. It's a dick move to invest time in features that pretty much benefit the company without investing in actual features that us customers actually want. Last I checked GOOD business is all about winning over customers with promise of MORE options, not dedicating time and effort into removing/restricting them.

Honestly the only thing that would even remotely interest me about the "720" is whether or not they have proper backwards compatibility or not. If the answer is NO and my 360 stuff goes to waste (in addition to if the above rumours are true) then I'll proudly boycott their console without regret.


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Comment #136 by worldsenemy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:14:33 AM
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I heard the xbox720 will do your laundry. I heard it will run for president in 2016. Sources say it will win the election, but it will fold all of your shirts wrong.


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Comment #137 by Tridenter
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:14:38 AM
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Edge said the same thing about the Wii U (or the "Nintendo" as they kept calling it).


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Comment #138 by bLaKgRaVy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:19:06 AM
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This would also hurt game developers. When it's out that said game takes only an hour to complete, who the hell is going to buy it full price? I mean, who would buy Avatar or the Backyard Sports titles full price? Certainly not me or millions of other gamers.

If this is true, developers will be *required* to create games that take more than 5 hours to complete 100%. Or else their titles will not sell, and we'll be seeing a lot of THQ's happening. Complete bullshit.


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Comment #139 by Poppa Krunch
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:19:26 AM
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that would be a deal breaker for me, i just wouldnt bother buyin the console no console no game sales full stop.


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Comment #140 by Caramel Cardinal
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:19:47 AM
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it's a rumour, it hopefully won't turn out to be true

else here's what has to happen, games and there dlc have to cost 10% of the price, why because i don't want to have to buy 3 copies so me and my brothers can all play 1 game


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Comment #141 by Le Vampyr †™
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:22:00 AM
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This is so stupid.

Does this mean I won't be able to take my games round to my friends either? And what about those people with unstable internet connections, or when something causes someone to lose their connection for hours or even days - does this mean the console will just be gathering dust?

Someone really needs to start a pitchfork brigade, match their asses down to Microsoft HQ, and give them a good slap in the face.


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Comment #142 by porter20
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:22:26 AM
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@96 there may not be 35 million offline users, but there is also not 40 million indiv live users a lot of people have made muti-accounts over the years that may still be active that MS are counting into the figure.


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Comment #143 by alkoopman
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:22:38 AM
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this is terrible news and i really hope its just a rumor. I buy used games a lot. but i guess it is trending in this direction due to the number of games that require a one time code to play online. Very Disappointing!


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Comment #144 by Gackt
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:26:17 AM
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I can't imagine this being true.


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Comment #145 by Saracin
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:26:54 AM
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Btw, this set up would be the same for any system that would ask you to register a game to that system, whether its Xbox or PS.
If they do this though, I'm hoping they allow me to download the game fully to my system and not need the disc inside it at all to play my games.
This is no different than how my PC games work, where the game is tied to my own account, so I'm not really too upset. Heck I barely ever trade anything in anyway.


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Comment #146 by SumHydroponic
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:27:02 AM
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Scary rumor, if its true then you can count me out. I will have to find something else to occupy my time.


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Comment #147 by sm182
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:28:04 AM
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If this is true then that'll be me out of the next gen then.


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Comment #148 by UKHC1977
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:30:06 AM
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Edge has got to be the worst gaming magazine going. Ive never bought a copy after reading one of the worst pieces of journalism ive ever seen in a piece about Resident Evil 5 being Racist.

If its true then im simply not buying one. Even though i live four miles out of a major city center my net connection is terrible and im barley able to run xbox live as it is with connection dropping out all the time. Ive got more than enough stuff going back to the SNES to keep me busy and a Wii U & 3DS will cover current gen.

The other thing that bothers me about this is they won't pu the price down for games and more than likely will put them up. If it was the same as PC prices then maybe.

Sorry but if this is true then Microsoft have just committed comercial suicide.


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Comment #149 by BurntToast
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:31:29 AM
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at #42 if you factor in "banned" and RROD i dont think the numbers are that skewed. I am on my 4th Xbox because of their failure rate.


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Comment #150 by Fire Hawk D
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:31:46 AM
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Most Americans still either have no internet at all or just terrible internet. While this most likely in the future, it's unlikely it'll happen this generation. Once America's internet infrastructure gets up to par, all bets are off for successive generations.


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Comment #151 by thenewpeter
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:32:06 AM
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This is breaking out rights as consumers. Plain and simple, this is really an illegal act, esspecialy since the law was talked about and brought into effect, saying that digital downloaders have a right to trade in their content because they own it.
I will look into how to get past this code crap, plain and simple, I don't care about supporting miscrosoft if this is happening, then can burn for all I care, this is not the right move to make, and it's rather disgusting to think that this is so close to a possibility of happening. Hell, I'd love to be at E3 this year if they anounce this feature, just so I can join the corus of "Boo's" that Microsoft will get.

If this is how things are going, then I just plain and simple have no intrest what so ever insupporting the games, or the games developers even. It's not right, and can't be justified, and it will be changed if it's brought into effect, because of the crippling losse's that the company will suffer. There will be so few sales compared to now, any unknown game will just not sell, at all. This is just infuriating, that this could mean that you don't own you're game, you are just on a glorified rental. It's just a disgusting idea, when I buy my property, I own that property, and I have the right to do what I want with it.


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Comment #152 by Loubie248
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:34:31 AM
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So this means my partner and I can no longer share games? We have to buy one EACH?


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Comment #153 by RDWatson16
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:34:56 AM
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i would have to say about 99% of my games in my collection are preowned and they have convinced me to get their sequels on day 1 so surely preowned has to be good


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Comment #154 by LOKIkillsALL
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:35:23 AM
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I have to agree with the majority here, this is potentially horrible. My and my fiancee are big gamers and we own 2 360's. We play a lot of the same games, though at different times. I love my 360 and don't even own a PS3 anymore, but if Microsoft succumbs to the pressure of the developers (and let's face it, we know that's the driving force behind this), I will boycot this next console.


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Comment #155 by the emcee
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:36:19 AM
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I would laugh my arse off if this is sony and ms dicking about. Imagine they both say they are doing this...and come release we find out ms were greedy and went along with it and sony had kept it the way its always been after all. Bang...console war won lol.

Anyway OT I will not be buying the new xbox if they do this...greedy wankers.


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Comment #156 by Snakeeyes969
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:36:26 AM
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If this is true then this might be the last xbox we'll see. So you have to buy the console at £250 - £350 and then to be able to use it at least another £40 year and thats before you start buying the games at £40 aswell!

If this is true then sorry M$ I'll stick with my 360 and see if the PS4 is any better.


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Comment #157 by The Elite Elite
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:36:49 AM
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I don't know. I could believe the requiring online connection part (though as someone else said, what about when your Internet is down), but I have a hard time believing they'll block used game use. Surely they know such a move would alienate far more people than whatever money such a move would gain them.


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Comment #158 by SuperWoody64
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:38:03 AM
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@153, wouldn't that make half (or less) of your collection used?


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Comment #159 by jtr1gg3r
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:39:19 AM
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If they make Xbox Live compulsory and I still have to pay, I'm getting a Ps4. Aint nobody got time fo dat.


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Comment #160 by Boro Iz Rich
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:40:01 AM
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If they block all used games, then they better lower the ridiculous price of $65 for a new game. Especially since 90% of the games released nowadays are below-average piles of shite. Let's also not forget ALL the copy/paste sequels that are out there. Madden, Call of Duty, the WWE games, etc.

I'll stick with the 360, thanxbai


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Comment #161 by the action frampton
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:40:04 AM
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'even if unbelievers will take some convincing.' I'm in unbeliever, and I won't take some convincing; I'll just opt out, end of. Nobody can tell me what I can or can't do with something I've bought and own outright.

Lot of ppl saying they'll get a PS4 instead, but you can bet if one console does it, the other will too, otherwise it's basically suicide.


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Comment #162 by w00dm4n
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:40:06 AM
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if i wanted activation codes and not be able to buy/sell games used then i'd get a PC.

so basically, the next Xbox is also a Steambox? since users who have Steam accounts can't play the games installed on my hard drive unless they use my account


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Comment #163 by FatalFlaw810
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:40:31 AM
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While I hope this is just a rumor, I tend to buy games new (on the cheap) anyway. However, some issues come about, if an internet connection is needed to play, what happens if it were to go out? Does that mean I can't play because it's not verified with the code? Or does it mean that it needs to be online to be verified and then afterwards it will work? Also, what if you buy a different console and/or it breaks down, will you be able to transfer those activation codes for these games?

This is very bad news if it becomes true and if that's the case I'll have to skip out on the 720. Good thing for now though is that it is just a rumor.


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Comment #164 by SweptbackFlame
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:40:43 AM
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See the only way I can see this work is if they do the same thing as online passes for games. If you buy it used you have to buy the pass to be able to play. In this case I could see maybe if the game is pre-owned you'd have to buy a code in itself to play anything from the game.

This is extremely risky and I don't like it.


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Comment #165 by Saracin
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:40:46 AM
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@151 Actually that was in Germany. In fact a group in Germany is trying to get Valve to allow Steam users to be able to sell back what they bought, and Microsoft has talked about this feature as well, but they haven't gotten far yet.
As far as I know there are no laws in the US protecting your right, otherwise we certainly would have seen something against Steam and other by now. Honestly I wish people would calm down and wait. The plan is to prevent Gamestop from making money off used games, so if they can create something that would allow you to resell your rights to a game than they will do it since it would be in our best interest and lessen the anger.
Its still too early to condemn them based on rumors and speculation.


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Comment #166 by RikusTwilight
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:43:19 AM
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A few things they could do to make this actually viable as a business model;

- Free online play, with a Gold tier for added bonuses (like party chat etc)

- Demos for every single game being released

- Release day Games on Demand digital download at 25-30% off the retail price

- Cheaper retail games, £30 at a maximum

Sorted. I'd invest if all these points came to pass.


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Comment #167 by Blasphemy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:44:32 AM
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I'm sure this isn't true. It just wouldn't be smart business on Microsoft's end. I'll wait for it to be confirmed. If it is true, I won't be buying the 720.


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Comment #168 by thenewpeter
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:47:00 AM
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@165, thanks for letting me know bout that, but it stands, that if it's in effect in 1 country, then it'll come into effect in other country's as well over time. Which means a system like this won't stand up for very long, esspecialy with the back lash Microsoft will get.
Everyone is voicing their anger, because if just a news of a it could be, or it's likely, kind of topic gets this much explosive hatred directed at it, across all sites ect. then Microsoft are more likely to stop their plan if it was planned to be implamented.

It does make allot of sense why people are outraged at even a rumor, when you look at what it is. but it's better to voice you're opinion about it, then stay silent, and show that you wouldn't mind.


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Comment #169 by RikusTwilight
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:47:28 AM
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@163 - The activation code thing I can see working actually, just a one-use code at the beginning like an Online Pass, with the option to buy the pass if it is pre-owned.

Regarding the transfer though - Microsoft already stores what games you have bought on your account, so it's not that much of a stretch to imagine them knowing that the games you have stored are the ones you activated, hence allowing re-downloads to take place as they do now - free of charge and relatively easily.


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Comment #170 by Bandage131
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:48:18 AM
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And Bill Gates came down from the mount and said to those who lack internet and those who buy pre-owned games: f*ck you.


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Comment #171 by TealMakesItRain
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:48:48 AM
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So 75 million xboxs and only 40 million have xbox live. I think losing 35 million people is a bit drastic just to keep us from saving 20-30 dollars on used games. Plus I know numerous people around my area that don't have access to internet fast enough to even connect to xbox live so yeah,this would be a really dumb move by microsoft


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Comment #172 by maur1c1o
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:49:09 AM
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PS4 here i come they really don't think things through so if i buy a game and wanna go to my mates house to play coop or a fighting get you saying i cant even though ive paid for it go screw yourself Microsoft this is bullshit but hey your problem as i just wont buy your next console and many others will follow


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Comment #173 by DannyG92UK
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:50:05 AM
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I'll be incredibly dissapointed if this is true. What about people like myself who have xbox live but dont have good internet connections? Plus this means people can no longer borrow games from friends. If the pre owned block thing is true, then its just the game companies being greedy and tbh it doesnt make them look like they care about their customers


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Comment #174 by DannyG92UK
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:51:35 AM
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Plus wont this be bad for shops as they cannot sell what is arguably a large amount of their profit. It also makes it impossible for people to get rid of games they no longer want.


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Comment #175 by DannyG92UK
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:54:12 AM
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Part of the profit from preowned games should still go to the developers. That way they may consider keeping it


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Comment #176 by WalterWhite
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:54:33 AM
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This news is all over gaming sites today, so I guess we'll know for sure in a day or so if Microsoft chooses not to squash the rumor.


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Comment #177 by DeadlySinz86
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:55:58 AM
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If they do, as much as I love my Xbox, I'll go back to Playstation. If they do decide that this is the way forward, then Future Releases, better cost £20 each, because they is no way in hell, I'll stick with a console that requires me to pay £40 everytime I want a new game. I rely to heavily on pre-owneds for that shit.


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Comment #178 by D-star
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:57:30 AM
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Don't worry guys because most of the games will be Free 2 Play.


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Comment #179 by desertpulse
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 09:57:47 AM
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Lol , just love reading the posts , this is just speculation/rumour , god help us if it turns out to b true , some trolls will have a field day


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Comment #180 by F TANK
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:01:15 AM
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They really need to come out and say something soon, because as someone who was blown away by Xbox and devoted to 360 - I'm completely disappointed by almost everything I've heard about the next console and considering jumping ship if even half the shit is true.
I dont know if MS hired a corporate double agent as one of their decision makers?...they were on a roll for a while and the last few years seems like they're going out of their way to make everything flop and alienate their user/fan base


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Comment #181 by Illicit
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:01:49 AM
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Its funny that people are talking about moving to PS4 for this next gen as this same thing has been rumored for the PS4. Also, Sony has recently patented anti-used gaming tech.


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Comment #182 by Steve-o85
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:02:31 AM
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Maybe the pre owned market won't be hurt as bad? If you buy a used ea game you have the option to buy an online pass code. Maybe this whole one code per user thing is going to work the same way?? Even then I don't agree with it I'm just trying to make sense of it all


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Comment #183 by Zero fox fk
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:03:04 AM
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There's gonna be huge increase in modded consoles and pirating.


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Comment #184 by AirborneRichard
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:03:09 AM
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@177, To bad because Sony already let it slipped out it basicly wants to do the same as Microsoft so big chance the PS4 will have same system. My wild geus to all this is that Microsoft & Sony had alot of feedback from gamedevelopers and studio,s who complained about the pre-owned or used games market. Quote from on of them "We invest alot of money into our games but the used game market cuts out a big amount of our profits, we rather seen something done about it" Might be both Microsoft and Sony are under pressure and basicly had to do something to prevent that gamers can use pre-owned gamers on their new consoles. Whatever it might be true or not if this is a true fact it sucks for alot of gamers including me who bought a game when done sold it again quik to get some money out of it for a new game, with this new system this won,t happen anymore.


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Comment #186 by JasperExtreme
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:10:03 AM
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Nice to see all the comments and discussion. This would not affect me much because I do not purchase many used games.

That being said, if this is true, it is very likely that we don't have the full picture. I can see MSFT going this route with "blocking" used games. You also have to remember, this isn't just MSFT, I'm sure they would get plenty of support from the publishers and developers. They've been clamouring for a chunk of those used game profits as well.

What I think is more likely is that you will still be able to purchase used games, but you will need to purchase a digital license in order to play it. Similar to what we already have with the multiplayer passes that so many games are already being released with. That is a compromise that I think all parties can still be happy with. MSFT and the publishers get to control and benefit from used game sales and retailers like GameStop can stay in business.

Also, for those of you with multiple consoles thinking that you would need to purchase multiple copies of a game.. take a second and relax. Do you have to buy multiple versions of XBLA games now? No, you don't. And why is that? Because the purchase is tied to your profile. You have no reason to believe that this activation code wouldn't be the same way.


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Comment #187 by UrbanMedium
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:13:15 AM
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I can see this being true...but not exactly like the rumours have come out.

We have already seen something like this with the online pass some games now come with.

So I would think that the online pass will be changed to something like a game unlock pass, which you have to be connected to Xbox live to purchase and activate the SP and MP.

I don't buy pre-owned games usually but there have been a few games that I wasn't sure of, so I waited until they dropped in price and bought pre-owned.

That would be my thoughts on this, but at this stage it's just rumours. I will wait and see what the actual facts are when it is announced before I make a decision on if I purchase the new console. Don't hate on the new console until the facts have been announced is all I'm saying.


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Comment #188 by Creasy47
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:17:36 AM
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If they did this with the 360, that means they would have lost almost 36 million consoles sold. I just don't believe these rumors. Most of the games I pick up are pre-owned, because I refuse paying $60 (or any price) for a game that I'll only get ten or so hours of. If this is true, I'll probably go with the new PlayStation. Said to say, but this will really disappoint to the point of not picking it up.


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Comment #189 by Metalbrian2
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:22:48 AM
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So if my New Xbox breaks, will I have to re-buy all of my games?


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Comment #190 by acourchaine
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:22:51 AM
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o is that the os4 calling


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Comment #191 by Duizendjes
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:23:45 AM
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We'll just have to wait and see. Nothing is conformed just yet. But if they do they sure lose me as a customer. Will just be adding point to my account with my good old 360....


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Comment #192 by Xenolith666
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:25:06 AM
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Saying that they sold 70+ million xbox's and saying 40 million people have live.. and they're ok with losing potentially 30 million customers and that's an 'acceptable' loss? yea.. bullshit


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Comment #193 by capthowdy66
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:25:44 AM
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So people in the same household will not be able to share???Will not be buying one of those then!


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Comment #194 by hotdogenigma
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:27:46 AM
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Maybe this has been asked, but I'm not sifting through nearly 200 comments. What about xbox 360 games? Will they be able to be played on the new console? I know it's all speculation, just curious how those games fit into the mold.


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Comment #195 by Xenolith666
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:30:37 AM
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One other thing.. if this in fact true and actual, physical game discs are a thing of the past.. what happens to companies like Gamestop or Gamefly? They could potentially be put out of business in a few years time.


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Comment #196 by osakamitsu
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:32:59 AM
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Guess Ill be modding my 720. You know there will be a mod for this.


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Comment #197 by Neohawk
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:34:23 AM
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This sounds excellent.


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Comment #198 by MrInfliction
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:36:15 AM
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If Microsoft wants to have it their way, then so be it. They'll just lose their customers!


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Comment #199 by sho91
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:36:31 AM
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Good luck Micro$oft, if this is true they will loose a lot of faithful customers, especially if i can't play any pre-owned games ...they will make a lot of enemies in the game re-sale world....we'll see what happens.


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Comment #200 by WIng Zero Pilot
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:37:40 AM
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That's so fucking lame. My girlfriend and I let each other borrow our games, so now we can't do that? Fuck that.


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Comment #201 by BiggD
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:38:33 AM
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Oh... :(


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Comment #202 by zeroy042
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:38:49 AM
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Some games are meant to be rented!!! If they do this it will blow up in MS face, it will put the little developers out of business. Not enough people are gonna spend $60 on cabelas, nascar, or those crappy little kinect titles to keep those companies in business. I will not support this console!!!(if it is true)


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Comment #203 by xLfcStevEx
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:40:24 AM
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More rumors about the New Xbox, i hope this isnt true. I like borrowing games from my friends and if i can't play them on the New console (If I get one) then I feel its a complete waste of £399 if that's what the price tag is going to be. Waiting for a Reveal of this Next Gen Xbox, see what the specs are first then maybe ill think about purchasing it.


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Comment #204 by Shadow Austin 317
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:42:21 AM
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For all people that say people won't stand for this unfortunetly people do break so I can see this being a reality so good bye XBOX


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Comment #205 by rrushn
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:42:45 AM
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Rental is forbidden in my country for years now (for obvious reasons) and I only buy new games. I don't see any issue.

No other company, other than the devs (and publisher), should be earning a game's revenue. Studios are getting closed down every day while rental/used games companies pluck the money off their backs, because broke people want a hobby they can't afford. If you can't afford it, get another hobby.

Rental/used games business is a filthy business that requires little to no effort and generates huge amounts of money that is not rightfully theirs.



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Comment #206 by chrishaney23
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:43:57 AM
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I got 2 kids and 3 XBOXs in my house. Like hell I am buying the same game 3x so we can all play it. IF this is true, then I will be going Sony. And if they do it...video games are dead in my world.

I understand why etc etc. I just will not pad their pockets to play games in my house. I am poor by the numbers. I am not gonna pad billionaires pockets so me and my kids can play video games. The app store will have to do the job!


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Comment #207 by itself
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:45:12 AM
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I don't see this rumor being true, all Sony would have to do is allow used games on the PS4 and it would crush the next xbox. Plus developers would lose sales to places that rent out games.


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Comment #208 by Jack Frost
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:45:50 AM
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So, if Microsoft is using their "collected data" to come to the conclusion that the new XBOX will have LIVE integrated, how do we help them to collect data that says that we won't buy their new XBOX if it doesn't play pre-owned games?


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Comment #209 by Lord_Statn
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:49:08 AM
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I don't think this is true. And if it is, this will recieve so much hate that it will fail harder than the PSVita.

I sure as cheese will not buy this if it turns out to be true...


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Comment #210 by irJessica
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:55:19 AM
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I really hope this is just a rumour, my boyfriend and I share games there's no way we can afford a copy each of new games.


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Comment #211 by cliche1
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:58:33 AM
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Alot of unhappy ppl. Lol. Microsoft better supply a couple of free game racks with the console. I better make some room in my loft for all those 1000g game cases I would normally sell. Hahahahahahahahaha


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Comment #212 by RDrules
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:59:51 AM
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if either of those are true i wont buy it, preowned games are essential for the market and publishers should be told to go do one on that count and on the online thing... obviously i do have the internet and hook my console to it... but i would never consider having it hooked up to it 24/7 i just use the internet on it when I want to and wont buy any console that dictates to me when that should be


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Comment #213 by Pazuzu91
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:00:57 AM
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Do you know how many people wont pay extra money just to have internet to play a system? This is stupid, microsoft is blowin it


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Comment #214 by Chuppernicus
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:01:30 AM
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Typical overreaction to speculation.
I would say just relax, it won't be as bad as you think.

Plus ask yourself, if you were a Talented and Creative individual, would you work for free?


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Comment #215 by DecadentBeaver
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:01:46 AM
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I sincerely hope this rumour turns out to be false. I can only afford to buy pre owned games due to cheap prices. So many businesses will suffer, and the potential for job losses is astronomical. If they do go ahead with it, it will show the greed from Microsoft and what a bunch of corporate bastard they are.

Im gonna stick with my 360 for a fair few years anyway.


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Comment #216 by Headless Snip3r
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:02:55 AM
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@205 It really must be nice to live in a world that you have so much money that you have over 200k gamerscore, and have purchased every single game you have played at full retail price. I can not imagine living with a budget like that. I not need a smart retort, I'm just saying it really must be nice.

I will be done with consoles if this comes to be. I have years of games left on 360 and ps3 before I'm done with them all. Been a gamer for over 30 years, but I won't be getting a new console with these stipulations.


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Comment #217 by BobHarskins
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:04:40 AM
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If this is true, what would it mean for backwards-compatibility? Would you still be able to play "used" Xbox 360 titles on the new console?


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Comment #218 by Xavier0080
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:04:49 AM
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I don't understand why this is such an issue. It's moving to an infrastructure more like Steam. I can't imagine you'd be unable to play games while offline, but I can imagine an initial activation requiring an internet connection.

People love Steam and it's definitely invigorated the PC game audience. You can't sell Steam copies you own. This was coming sooner or later. Discs were going to be phased out, and with them was going to come downloads with account-linked games. It sucks for people who like to rent games, but it's also possible that some method will be in place for that.

Also, this is just speculation right now. Wait for the official word after this is announced later this year before you start moaning.


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Comment #219 by THe NoMaD
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:05:36 AM
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How bad the games in 2012 was I will have no problem giving up the next generation of consoles. The WiiU will be cheaper too once we know the details of them. I've spent the majority of my gaming year using Roms and Emulators on my laptop to play older games anyway.


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Comment #220 by ufc fan andy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:05:40 AM
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If true I wont be buying the shit. Plenty of times i buy a game , play it and hate it and return it within the 7 day trial period so if a game is shit when you buy it you're fucked!


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Comment #221 by Ace IIXII
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:09:51 AM
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So if this rings true, and my internet goes down during a storm but I still have power... I won't be able to play? AND the used game market would fail and you'd be stuck with your games indefinitely. So much for trade ins. If that's the case they better not release any shyte titles you'd regret buying or you're stuck with a $60+ coaster.


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Comment #222 by DMichaels86
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:11:44 AM
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When I first heared these rumors, I thought they'd have to be plain stupid to go through with it, we shall see I suppose....


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Comment #223 by Rapturous Rich
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:15:04 AM
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So that's CEX going out of business!


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Comment #224 by ConfederateSuga
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:17:52 AM
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I love reading all these comments from people saying "If this happens, I'll just get a PS4!" LOL! Sony has said they may be implementing the used game play on the PS4, aswell. BEFORE Microsoft ever mentioned it, if I'm not mistaken. People don't realize it, but these used game markets are killing publisher profits. If the publishers are fail (THQ), great IPs disappear. While I'm firmly AGAINST companies like GameStop/Game profiting from our misfortune by giving us only a fraction of the used games suggest retail price, this will ultimately kill the gaming market. I think publishers should unite and sue these companies for a percentage of their annual profits. Sure, it'll slow business down, but it'll keep all the publishers happy and the stores can continue peddling their used wares. And console makers wouldn't have to consider foolish ideas like this.


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Comment #225 by mileko101
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:20:21 AM
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Well we all know that microsoft wont be dominating the games industry anytine soon. That being said time to play more ni no kuni


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Comment #226 by bearmod
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:20:57 AM
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I love my Xbox to death but if these rumors turn out to be true I would seriously consider buying a PS4 as my next console. I don't buy a lot of pre owned games but my friends and I lend each other games pretty often and that's pretty much horse shit if the whole one console per copy thing is true.


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Comment #227 by ginge88isfun
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:21:29 AM
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This better remain nothing more than a rumour otherwise microsoft can go and fuck themselves.


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Comment #228 by sugarshanenixon
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:21:57 AM
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I hope this isn't true. However if it is, ideally the games will cost less. I mean look at PC games they are cheaper and you can't trade them in or anything. But the reason I don't see this happening is I feel retailers such as Gamestop will lose a lot a business with the lack of a used game market.


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Comment #229 by Pyrlaster
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:24:35 AM
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Well as my comment got removed i will say it again
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE
If this is true with Xbox 720 or Ps4 I'm off to join the glorious pc gaming master race


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Comment #230 by Buckdawg
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:28:51 AM
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230th!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Comment #231 by TECO Energy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:32:21 AM
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Gamestop is panicking about going out and/or lowering prices.


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Comment #232 by LouTenit Dan
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:34:10 AM
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Oh future gaming what have you done..I member when you just put the game in the system and played it none of this other crap.....

I wondering if the company that sells games/rents em would try to strike a deal that would have the companies sell activation codes like ea?

This sucks if its true I would wait a long time IF i decided to get a 720....Doesn't microsoft think that people still bring games over a friends house especially if its a game that's cool/good but they wouldn't normally check it out .


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Comment #233 by crossbit
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:34:59 AM
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"viewed through a particular lens it makes sense" ...and through every other lens, it's total bull****.

The majority of people play with consoles connected to the internet now, but you can't just shrug off the remaining minority as completely insignificant. Disgusting.

The continued used-game crackdown doesn't bother me too much as I prefer to buy my games new or On Demand anyway - but considering that many of their high-street suppliers rely quite heavily on used sales to keep them (barely) afloat, I can't help but think these decisions from Sony & MSoft will be the last nail in games retail's coffin.


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Comment #234 by SiL3NtKi7L
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:37:00 AM
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@ #231 you're right but the biggest issue would be that, most people won't buy pre-owned xbox games anymore and have to get them for the full price which is quite ridicolous. What was Microsoft thingking? Probably did it just in case if someone is hacking games which can't played on xbox then. But still full retard.


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Comment #235 by SiL3NtKi7L
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:40:32 AM
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@ #27 the only thing that would probably help is a boycott on their new system. If not I think I'm gonna switch to ps4


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Comment #236 by Venomized
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:40:51 AM
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So you're telling me....I can no longer bring my games to my friends house? And if my internet goes down I can't play Xbox? Or do u only need internet for the activation code. Either way, Fuck u Microsoft. Hurry up and confrim or deny these rumors. If these rumors are true, x360 please have an interview with Microsoft and tell then they're retard money stealin whores


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Comment #237 by LiLJonJon94
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:43:39 AM
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bye bye gamefly...

but seriously if by some slim one in a million chance its true i doubt i'll be getting this one.


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Comment #238 by PANIC ATTACK 10
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:44:04 AM
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this is a troll article and should be removed. after the last fiasco, i wouldnt believe anything on here. the articles posted on here. is for their gain, its not news. i want more from a website saying its posting news. you guys dont post news. you create troll articles. have you no pride and honour? we the next gen comes. when MS,sony,extra, officially announce one. thats when and what i'll believe. until that date comes. there is no next gen news.


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Comment #239 by Rageba
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:44:46 AM
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Video game crash of 1983 is about to happen again, may as well put on my sunglasses and watch


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Comment #240 by Monty111
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:49:15 AM
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No next gen Xbox for me then... :(


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Comment #241 by gambit444
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:56:53 AM
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this rumor has been active for almost a year & is suppose to effect the ps4 as well. if it is true then im done with console gaming. i will stick to my huge backlog & continue to get "older games". hopefully they will realize its a mistake cause all there sales will be down & stop with the activation codes.
This is exactly why i (and i assume many more) did not bother with diablo 3


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Comment #242 by TM87 Sam
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:58:59 AM
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Don't worry. It's all a rumor. If this happens Microsoft would be losing money and destroying business. They aren't that damn dumb. I'm only 16, I thrive on being able to have pre-owned games, and the ability to trade games with my friends. @239, I always thought Activision or EA would start the crash. Looks like Microsoft is ready.


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Comment #243 by The Kingslayer
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:07:25 PM
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Blocking pre-owned games will be the downfall of both Playstation and Xbox, they're already under pressure from mobile gaming and this would be the straw that broke the camels back. I've had gut feeling for a while now that this current generation of gaming was the peak, it's all downhill here :-(


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Comment #244 by Yourburntstar
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:08:11 PM
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Well this will be a good way to fail right at the launch date if it is true.

good job Microsoft, let's just hope it is only a rumor.


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Comment #245 by Total Shinobi
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:08:33 PM
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If this is true I'll be sticking to the 360. I'm sure games releasing on the 720 in the future will also be releasing on the 360 as well, at least until I can afford a proper gaming computer.


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Comment #246 by The Kingslayer
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:10:05 PM
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The annoying thing is I think Sony and Microsoft are being forced to do this by game developers, I understand they don't make money off pre-owned sales but this is not the way to tackle it, I'll happily stick with in game incentive and online passes as long as we can continue to purchase second hand games.


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Comment #247 by Missior Mattchu
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:13:03 PM
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I'm really hoping they won't do it.It's discomforting for me to hear, that instead of new features, games, possible innovations, we get this. This sort of action was recently patented by Sony, and looks like it will be employed for the PS4, so I doubt Microsoft would be the nice guy at the end of all this.

This sort of action is like shooting yourself in the foot, it's a stupid move, but some people will still eat it up. This isn't for the general gamer, it's for themselves.

It discourages sharing, and gaming for families with multiple accounts will be even harder if this happens. Gaming is a social habit nowadays, why would you take away one of the original social elements of games, where you borrowed each others games? or bought their old ones to continue the cycle of new games for everyone. This is borderline fucking communist, and if they do this, they can kiss a loyal 6 year customer goodbye.

Seriously Microsoft, don't.


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Comment #248 by Fakan
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:15:56 PM
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If it's true, I guess I'm not buying. I'll have to take my money elsewhere, Microsoft, I have no choice.


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Comment #249 by Jaws as Crowns
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:19:36 PM
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How would this work with backwards compatible games?
Also, like many others, I'm certain this isn't true.


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Comment #250 by Joe Boy 1986
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:23:04 PM
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Game rentals will be on their arse, unless of course Microsoft end up bringing out a subscription based game streaming service, a bit like Netflix?


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Comment #251 by ronnie42
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:28:37 PM
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Online only = kills xbox

Worst move I have ever heard. I would have never have been able to play the original halo 1 if it had been online only. This is probably the worst mistake I have ever seen.


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Comment #252 by coomzy
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:33:10 PM
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Why have Microsoft got advice from EA?


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Comment #253 by dude1286
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:34:22 PM
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If both rumors are true with the nextbox and PS4, then I may only get a Wii U. It may be behind, but it doesn't hurt most of its users. I no longer buy from big retailers, so most of my games come from second-hand sales in the local area. This will also hurt the people in this department.

And the xbox sales versus how many xbox live accounts should be taken with a grain of salt. People have several accounts, and just as many xboxes due to technical failure. At least if Sony released similar figures, they wouldn't be as misleading.


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Comment #254 by MastrMeatWad
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:39:30 PM
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For those that believe the "rumor" and state they will be purchasing a ps4 remember the ps4 rumors have also been the same. Meaning pre-owned games will not work on the system.
People are jumping to this as fact way to quickly. The only reason this is sort of news is because something must be done to keep developers working. The current model is horrible for the developers and studios. Just look at how many have closed, and IP's sold (THQ) this last year. Gamestop is making a killing by selling used and the developers and publishers get zero. I like the ability to buy pre-owned because that means I can sell the games I buy, and I can purchase games cheaper. However, I don't want to do this at the expense of my favorite developers going under because of the used market. I would rather see some sort compensation for every used game sold a percentage of the profit goes back to the developer/publisher if the game is sold by a business. This to me is a better solution and the only profit margin that is hurt by that would be a company like gamestop, which is good.


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Comment #255 by The Elite Elite
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:41:48 PM
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@205: Um, what? Could you explain to me why renting games is illegal in your country, because the reason isn't obvious to me. And used games "steal" money from no one. The developer and publisher got their profit from the original purchase of the game. After that initial purchase, that game disc is then owned by the person who bought it. If that person then finishes the game and says "I really don't see myself playing this game ever again" he can then go and sell it to someone who does want to play that game or to a store like GameStop that will sell it to someone who wants to play it. The developer and publisher already got their cut from that particular copy's purchase, so they have no right to any cut from the second sale of that copy. (Disclaimer; I virtual never buy used games or sell my games, so if this rumor is true, it doesn't really matter to me)


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Comment #256 by roza
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:44:12 PM
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Aaaand I'm out.
To be honest, the Wii U is now the most promising 'next-gen' console, even though it's only as powerful as the 'current-gen'.
If all this internet and no preowned malarky is true I can't see this generation fairing well. I mean, not even PC makes you be constantly onine, and not all PC games are one timers. This is bad news I say


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Comment #257 by darkness4everr
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:51:00 PM
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This would be against european law. In europe you are allowed to sell your game and even digital content to another person including all the rights to use it as intended by the new owner. Ms just wants to cash in. Consider this: retail prices can remain sky high because you have no option to buy a 2nd hand.


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Comment #258 by Dragonlightning
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:58:54 PM
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This is a bit different to what i heard.
The always on connection matches fine but the way games work is quite different. I heard the code unlocks the disk for multiple authorised users (same as apple DRM)and that it would include a digital version of the same game (same as kinect Nat Geo, and Sesame street series 1)
Also pre-owned disks would still work but only after you buy an activation like you do now. Either way its not worth believing in any of this till it come OFFICIALLY from Microsoft or Sony.


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Comment #259 by RDrules
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 12:59:22 PM
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@255 im assuming hes from japan as it is there but it has absolutely bugger all to do with whats being talked about here, in japan its because of dodgy practices by the rental stores (they were copying the discs then renting the copies out without protection on them which were then copied again etc etc)

On top of that it's not actually illegal to rent games just the studios have to either give permission or rent them out themselves for instance sega used to rent DC games over there through certain stores

i dont know of any other countries with laws like this but im sure there is some


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Comment #260 by TOlofter
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:01:55 PM
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Lets not also forget, not everyone who has internet has wireless and may not necessarily have their Xbox anywhere near an internet connection. This is disastrous. If true, say goodbye to my gaming future. The 360 is staying with me for a lot longer now it seems, if not for good if the future isn't backwards compatible.


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Comment #261 by Lammkottet
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:07:08 PM
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. I'm always online, we got great net in sweden so will work here. Not sure about US though, MS might shoot themself in the foot since US is their main market.

The used game block is great news for developers. Finally they earn money for more then 3-4 months. Steam already has always online and no used games so its standard already. And this comes from someone who hasnt been able to afford a game in 1 and a half year. Used games is no good, publishers gets no money, developers gets no money. Only gamestop and a like earns anything. It destroys The game market.


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Comment #262 by RDrules
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:13:26 PM
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why do people think you have to be online on steam? once you have downloaded the games you can play them on steam in offline mode when ever you want


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Comment #263 by Phantomzero17
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:21:01 PM
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I doubt Microsoft would go this route. Simply because an Xbox with this format won't be able to compete with Valve's Steambox once it gets off the ground.

@262 I don't know either. In most cases I just take it as they're total noobs, or they're full on console gamers looking for some way to discredit PC gaming. Sure certain games require you to be online to get the most use out of them(Dota 2, TF2, etc) but nothings stopping you from playing offline.


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Comment #264 by SpyHunter86
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:25:31 PM
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Damn....This is the sign of Consoles dying. Gentleman...Its been an honor playing with you. See you all on Steam where gamers come first.


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Comment #265 by StinkyPete2021
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:37:02 PM
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That settles it, I am defiantly not going to be purchasing a xbox720, I will just keep my xbox 360 and play the vase variety of games that I haven't played yet. Hey I played NES until I got my N64, and then I played my N64 until I got my xbox360, so it's no big deal to me. I still have a lot of great games that I haven't played on my 360 yet.


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Comment #266 by RDrules
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:40:32 PM
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@263 yeah it does seem like people that have just never used steam before, there have been a few games that need an online connection elsewhere like but its the devs doing it and its hated by everyone playing on pc


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Comment #267 by MasterSparky
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:41:39 PM
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@261 Pre-owned does NOT destroy the game industry, its what keeps the shops open which sell the new games in the first place

Plus its been around since the very beginning. Gaming is getting so bastard greedy! Online passes, in game microtransactions, over-priced DLC.

This better not be true. A quick look through this news post should be enough warning for any console manufacturer thinking of doing this...


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Comment #268 by Rixiden
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:45:42 PM
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Perfect! There's so many Playstation 2 games I never got to try before moving into the 360. On the same note, there's enough 360 games I haven't played to last me a couple years too. There's always super-nintendo........or maybe Wii-U? Definitely never buying the new xbox shit, I play nothing but used games except for a few select titles I really like.

Think a lot of people are moving away from consoles and into PC gaming in the next couple years, I may follow suit. Or catch up on retro gaming, meh.


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Comment #269 by InkedUp
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:46:52 PM
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I'm calling BS on this rumor. MS would essentially be handing the console wars over to whomever decides not to block used games. Think about it: Sony sits back to see how well this works out for MS, Sony comes out and says "hey people, buy a PS4 and you can buy and trade as many pre-owned games as you desire" BOOM!!! Sony just crushed MS in one brilliant swoop of marketing, console wars over, good night. Even if they were to both do this, Nintendo's Wii-U sales would skyrocket overnight. Microsoft is not that ignorant, hopefully.


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Comment #270 by ZedChuva
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:48:39 PM
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Aaaaaaaand fuck M$ (if true). I 10,000% will never, EEEEEVER get a system that doesn't allow me to buy used, or in the least, borrow games.


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Comment #271 by Marshall_2k6
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:54:29 PM
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I'm trying not to get mad over this until it is confirmed. If this subject is not touched on by E3, then I will be worried. I would be less upset about this if there were actually decent prices on the Marketplace. I go on there and see horrible launch-era games for $20-$30?!? There is no way that those games are worth that much. This is why I primarily buy used.


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Comment #272 by Layzmaster
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 01:55:12 PM
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While the anti-used games is probably BS, I'd like to see the other option implemented. Mainly to detect modding of xbox hardware (other then cosmetic). I know people that play offline and don't have an internet connection ready and able for an xbox(4G). It doesnt seem that bad.

But again, bs on the anti used games crap


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Comment #273 by upfrontsniper 1
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 02:03:14 PM
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If this rumour is true,then microsoft can kiss me and my two boys xbox's goodbye.


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Comment #274 by surreal_82
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 02:06:07 PM
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Will never happen as a law suit would be raised and ms would get raped by the courts. We obviously cannot sell on anything else we own, such as cars (which I did not invent yet still can sell my car if I wish) my house (again I did not invent nor build my house yet it is mine to do with and sell as I please) and any other item I possess be it semen clothes films etc... A class lawsuit would be opened instantly and ms would lose, unless they can convince the courts that all products ever sold (ie cars, houses etc) could not be resold, and that's been tried before and failed... Same will happen again... Good luck if they do go for it, as I will just upgrade my pc and keep playing the 100plus xbox games I have and finding another gaming device which does not tell me how I have to lead my life per se.


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Comment #275 by ENVY021
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 02:09:54 PM
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"Microsoft's hand has been guided by the PC gaming landscape, and viewed through a particular lens it makes sense"

YOU DON'T COPY UBISOFT! PC GAMERS HATE UBISOFT!


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Comment #276 by xLEGENDARYDEMON
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 02:15:02 PM
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Greed prevails


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Comment #277 by Ingen Kommentar
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 02:23:35 PM
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Well if this is true, it will in sight be the dead of console gaming marked, as we know it. there wont be many ppl that we have interest in buying that.

But again its rumors. Lets hope it stays with that..


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Comment #278 by reaper527
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 02:24:18 PM
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i'll wait until this passes the rumor stage before getting upset about it, as i don't think ms will actually do a system like this.

that being said, if this rumor turns out to be fact, i won't be getting a next gen xbox, plain and simple. i might not have a ps3, but that would certainly push me into getting a ps4 (and eventually cancelling my xbl subscription that i've had since the service launched)


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Comment #279 by Stoko
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 03:03:13 PM
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Well, that's no problem at all. Just means I won't be buying any more games on release. 99% of titles aren't worth the initial £40, when they drop to about half that within 3-6 months. And to know you couldn't even sell it if you'd made a bad choice? Screw that, just wait until it's cheap enough that you don't care if it's crap. Even PC games with serial numbers could be reused and sold on.

I guess that'll kill the rental market too? Unless they make special rental licenses? You'd think they'd approve of things like LOVEFiLM, considering they let them have an app.


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Comment #280 by ICGMU12321
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 03:19:20 PM
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I have no problem with having to be connected to the internet since I already am always connected, but the used game thing would be annoying. I rarely buy used games but I do sell off games quite often. Its like PC games with key codes, accept they usually come with 3 or more.

Remember, it is just a rumor until confirmed.


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Comment #281 by bigdogice
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 03:22:12 PM
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I wonder if we will get an error 37 code if I have to be online all the time with this console


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Comment #282 by Blue Thunder28
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 03:31:45 PM
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Blocking used games doesn't concern me, but our ISP can be pretty shoddy at times and I'll go a whole week or two with the internet constantly dropping in and out.


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Comment #283 by Dr Popodopolus
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 03:35:44 PM
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The most outrageous piece of poop you will ever read.

Had these rumours for the PS4.

Just some clown trying to stir shit.


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Comment #284 by D00MSMAN
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 03:48:11 PM
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wow, Way to go and fuck yourself microsoft. .__.


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Comment #285 by Donnymite
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 04:01:57 PM
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I wont be buying this... Hell I wont be surprised if there are still millions on 360...


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Comment #286 by Thai J
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 04:25:07 PM
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I still find this hard to believe. Microsoft didn't get to where they are now making suicidal decisions like this would be.


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Comment #287 by irishsnow79
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 04:37:23 PM
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I've already made the decision to move to PC gaming this year, and if this story turns out to be true then it's another reason to add to an already long list. These kinds of ideas, if true, will just end up killing console gaming. And there aren't enough console exclusive titles out there or in development to invest in the next gen.


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Comment #288 by IFC3000
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 05:11:53 PM
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Digital distribution (also called content delivery, online distribution, or electronic software distribution (ESD), among others) describes the delivery of media content such as audio, video, software and video games, without the use of physical media usually over online delivery mediums, such as the Internet - AND THAT'S WHY NEXT GEN XBOX AND PS4 will require an internet connection in order to function.


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Comment #289 by UmbrellaOwned
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 05:13:31 PM
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Bye Microsoft. Hello Sony!


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Comment #290 by francisrossi
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 05:16:51 PM
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I'll be sticking to the PC and the PS4 if Sony don't do something equally ass-backward then. Been a fan of the Xbox dating back to the early years of the original, but I'm not putting up with this bullshit.


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Comment #291 by SIMPLYMIDGET
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 05:18:45 PM
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Sucks for people who live in rural areas with no internet connection, or the money to afford an internet connection.


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Comment #292 by I X I Shock I
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 05:24:07 PM
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Doesn't affect me. I have internet and I never buy preowned. But as some have said, this should reduce prices for retail games anyways, so win-win-win for me.


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Comment #293 by kaiyo penguin
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 05:25:31 PM
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i really can't see this being possible. but if it is the case then im not buying the next box. most of my collection is pretty much pre owned stuff as i can't afford to spend fortunes on video games. but we shall see....


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Comment #294 by davhuit
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 06:36:42 PM
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Don't count on me then, I have to XBOX 360 and I won't buy two games to be able to play wherever I want (and my internet is sometimes down for a few days, which would prevent me to play).

I have a PC that can play the last games in HD at max settings so that wouldn't be a problem anyway (not to mention games are cheaper on PC).

I prefer to play on a TV but I can always use the HDMI TV-OUT, that's not a big problem.


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Comment #295 by TheRequiem95
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 06:40:40 PM
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I guess I'm done playing EA games then. They'll never get any of my money. I'd rather give it to GameStop.


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Comment #296 by n1hMrDeath
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 06:46:13 PM
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Ok let's get this right no pre owned games ...for ps4 n xbox 720 this didnt get me too much BUT not only this if imy machine breaksi wave goodbye to my whole retail colletion that cost me even more hen pre owned n ihave to start over again. ..more n more I see why gabe thinks his steambox stands a chance n his steam sales make pre own games prices look like a joke n if u upgrade ur pc buy a new box u still get to keep ur collection add to this thr whole gift friends game thing ,think I'll spend money on upgrading my pc n get a rift instead,sony ms ur next console has to be legend no better then that godlike whch I doubt or me n many others are walking


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Comment #297 by davhuit
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 06:50:59 PM
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*two*


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Comment #298 by SageRuffin
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:16:06 PM
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IF this turns out to be accurate, there's only one thing to say about this:

Dick move, Microsoft. Dick move.


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Comment #299 by thenewpeter
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 07:44:17 PM
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@294, not to mention that you can also openly mod the games on the pc and not be met with bans (unless affecting competitive play in a fair match). PC gaming generally is better in every way :/ think that'll be my migration pathway.

And wow on the topic replays here, about to be 300 after me O-O


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Comment #300 by VirtualShakey
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:17:42 PM
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We can only truely comment and criticise when the truth has been told from Microsoft. A lot of people will be angry but i would not be surprised if they do follow through with this business move.


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Comment #301 by jae200
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 10:30:30 PM
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If it comes to that, I just won't buy the new Xbox.. I may buy an old PS3 and play some of the PS3 exclusives that I've missed out on over the years. I have no interest in buying everything brand new at 60$ a pop.


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Comment #302 by NeoSant
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:04:54 PM
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I still remember when games supposed just to be fun.


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Comment #303 by Ninja Eagle
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:28:18 PM
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So no more borrowing games from friends? Fuck you Microsoft what a douche move.


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Comment #304 by Spakon
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 @ 11:45:26 PM
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Fucking Hell, ITS A RUMOR not a REPORT, fuck not getting a new console i might just stop using this site.


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Comment #305 by n33njah
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:30:07 AM
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Hey lazy faqer are you too dumb to understand that there are often times multiple accounts per Xbox Jesus h Christ quit calling other people dumb when your own arguments aren't base in fact. Yes many people have owned multiple 360s and of those 360s I'm quite positive that there have been more than a single account made. Current standard in the United States is that roughly 25-30% of the population do not have any broadband access. If you filter that down even further to take into account exactly how many people had an incompatible Internet type ( satellite connection, wireless cell phone hotspot (certain carriers don't support it and then you factor in data limits!) that probably jumps that 25%-30% of the population to an estimated 40-45%. And here's another thing to take into account. How many people go to a buddies house over the weekend to use the Internet to update or maybe play for two days and a small cost... Hmm


It is entirely possible and I'd say highly probable that there are over 25 million xbox users that do not have Internet or the ability too. So please shut your mouth calling other people stupid when you aren't even using your brain.
Oh and this just counts the u.s.a's stats you euro Latin America Middle East gamers feel free to throw numbers if you have them.
Yes if they go the DRM route and always on Internet I'm out. Ill quit gaming other than what I have now. But as repeated by someone earlier this exact same rumor existed for the ps3 and Xbox 360 before launch. I'm sure they'll consider it as they foam at the mouth in hopes of making it so. But alas we won't know until they say and until that point all we can do is bitch and moan about speculation. Once this is confirmed we can speak via our wallets and other outlets to let them know that we don't accept this and that we have alternatives; or when they deny it we can all breathe a huge sigh of relief


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Comment #306 by oDEADDOGo
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:31:18 AM
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Goodbye Gamestop. Goodbye Gamefly.


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Comment #307 by oDEADDOGo
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 01:00:28 AM
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@205 Sounds like someones bitter for having to pay full price for their games. Thumbs down.


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Comment #308 by Haters
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 01:26:58 AM
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Wow microsoft just keeps getting more and more money hungry every year, shows how much they really care because gamestores are gonna take a hit from this well hey at least they show their true colors with a fuck everyone else attitude so they can possibly bankrupt other companies but as long as they are ok it's good. -_-


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Comment #309 by XxMayhemxX
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 02:34:02 AM
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Oh crap this means i cant buy a crap load of games off of ebay and gamestop.. this is kinda bad if this rumor happens to become reality...

@#224 Fine let the publishers/developers sue gameflys/gamestops/games/and all other videogame outlets, they can win their court case, and get royalties for all games sold,

but that shouldn't effect me from selling my used game i dont want no more to another individual who wants it... i paid full price.. i can sell it if i want to, and they can play it..


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Comment #310 by Lazy_FAQer
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 03:09:20 AM
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@ #305.

Good point. My apologies to all I offended.


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Comment #311 by rrushn
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 03:36:20 AM
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I find it funny that one claims to be switching to Steam if this is true, when that is exactly the platform they are trying to mimic. If digital prices are the same, then I see absolutely no issue in this move.

To those asking where rental is forbidden: I live in Belgium, and it has been forbidden since 2009 (iirc) in the benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg) because virtually all devs/pubs refused to give permission for rental through some anti-pirating/copyright union.

I have never missed it, the only times when I did was when I was in my peak of gs whoring, but that's missing it for all the wrong reasons. There are enough ways to buy games new and not pay full price, learn to use the internet and visit different shops. The only thing that's probably different from the buy and trade populace is that I'm more selective with day one purchases before paying 50€. Other than that, I rarely pay more than 20-30€ for older games I don't really need right now, but at least the money is going to the devs.

If you don't realise that the pre-owned business is destroying the very industry that is entertaining you, then you really should get another hobby instead of posting 'what a sad day for gaming' on any studio closure.

We all agree on one thing though: Publishers are evil.



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Comment #313 by thenewpeter
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 04:58:51 AM
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@311, I'd personly be moving to steam because it gives the freedom to do what I want with the games, and the price's are rather good to completely cheap bargains. Tell me the last time you saw a game put onto games on demand that was actually worth it's price. :/
This means that GoD will need a complete and utter change, which isn't overly likely to happen to soon after microsoft out right refused to change the pricing, saying there was nothing wrong with the prices... I still have the challenge the common sense of some people who've payed what they have for some of those games.

Pre-owned games aren't destroying the industry at all. The video games industry has grown it's self on pre-owned games, in every sense, as it has normal games, yes, less money goes to developers, but you still have a right to sell you're own property, or else all you have is a glorified rental.
The only reason you say it's causing trouble is because there's a good market for pre-owned games, but that's not something new, it's not an issue that's cropped up out of no where, it's something that's always been there.
If a game is good, then people will support it's release, I know that when I'm buying a game, if I know it's something I like or I like the developer, then I'll buy it first hand out of principle to support the developer, but if it's a game that I know I hate aspects of (like resi evil 6) but still want to play, ill only buy it pre-owned because i don't want the developer to have made money from my purchase because of how much a game disappointed me.
The pre-owned market has always existed, and it always will. I own what I hold in my hands, and hell, I'll likely own the rights to my digital purchase's once the law in germany migrates over to here, which we all know it will eventually, especially if this is forced on us.

This idea undermines a bit of the social games aspects, no more lan parties, no borrowing games from a friend or lending one out, ect.

Steam does counter my idea of owning my content, but steam is the better alternative. There are too many possible issues with loosing everything you own if this comes into affect, forget a password? Oh, sorry, you just lost you're gaming catalogue. I really hate that idea. Never mind what this will do to collectors for the next gen, the only way that a collector would be able to see profit from a game is to keep it sealed and never use the code for it, though keeping it sealed is generally how something increase's the most in value.

Just imagine what a game would be like, 10 years after it's release, it'll not have new copies made, chance's are lie forgotten, with no chance of anyone ever playing it again. (most likely hidden gem games, or games such as chrono trigger). The best of which would be released onto the new consoles... which hd remakes can be nice and all... but you'd not even have the opportunity to play the original if you wanted to. :/


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Comment #314 by rrushn
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 06:29:05 AM
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#313: I have had some nice deals on GoD, compared to retail prices. My most recent one was SSX for 14,99€ on GoD. Couple this with buying microsoft points in other countries (inflation etc) and I paid barely 10€ for it, while the prices dropped recently to 30€ retail, after being 60€ for way too long.

If they have similar prices like steam, it could be a decent deal for all parties.
If they keep the prices as they are, make unnecessary DLC and continue the micro-transactions, then it's indeed all going to hell, but for now, I continue to believe that everything that's happening now, stems from a lack of retail sales and serves as a compensation to the revenue.
People tend to forget that games are extremely expensive to create and have high sales numbers to meet if they want to match a break-even operation, let alone gaining money.
And yes, I do believe that second hand sales has a big hand in this. Too many people in line to buy the next CoD entry, while holding off on other, good titles until they're cheap pre-owned. The heat this article is getting only proves my point, apparently everyone buys a shitload pre-owned, else this move would be trivial to them, like it is to me.

I'm with you on the owning part though, I have over 300 games, not counting other platforms and I like that. It's MY collection, something that will fade away in this digital age. I started buying on GoD so I can get used to the feeling, but honestly, I'm not getting used to it. :(


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Comment #315 by Joker0fLife
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 07:28:59 AM
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I don't see it happening because it would not only wreck a good portion of the gaming industry, it would also wreck a good number of companies who basically RELY on used games.


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Comment #316 by Benmahalf X
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 09:08:23 AM
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@205 Used games are good. I bought a copy of Assassin's Creed II used, then loved it so much I proceeded to buy the next 3 games in the series NEW.

What happens if you can't find a game new? You have to buy it used.

If the publishers/developers want more money (which they deserve) then Gamestop or whoever should pay a percentage of their profits (because everything after the buying price IS profit for them).

If this rumor is true, I'm going to continue to main PS3 and 360. I'll probably buy an Xbox^3 and a PS4 so I can keep up with Halo and whatnot, but I'll mostly be playing my backlog.


Honestly, my biggest fear is what is going to happen to ONLINE for the current generation. If all the servers get shut down when next gen goes live, then there are a LOT of online achievements and trophies that will suddenly be unobtainable.


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Comment #317 by MF Monster
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 09:24:12 AM
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@313- I am not sure how you reached to some of your conclusions. Like #314 mentioned, GoD prices have improved and recently there have been sales which they never did before. I picked up 5 GoD titles the last few months for 9.99 which is a great price. I am under the opinion digital should release at a lower MSRP than the physical retail copy. I believe this will eventually happen.

However your belief 'current' used game market sales do not hurt developers could not be more wrong. I have a friend who only buys used games for his PS3. The hundreds he spent on used games and not one dime went the developer/publisher. Every single penny went to gamestop. So what makes you think "less money goes to the developer", ZERO $'s go to the developer for every used game sold. I like the fact there are used games, but the current system needs to change. Games are expensive to make and it is hard for them to turn a profit. This is why THQ and several studios have closed the past couple years. Gamestop pushes used games because they make a fortune on them.

I don't like this idea or the Sony rumor that a new game is connected to a console so it cannot be used, sold, traded, but a percent of used game sales should make it back to the developer/publisher.


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Comment #318 by lord verh
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 09:44:24 AM
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My biggest concern is, will you be able to play currently owned 360 games on the 720? Also I don't really mind their fight against the second hand market as long as it gets more money to singleplayer game developers.


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Comment #319 by lord verh
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 09:50:06 AM
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Scratch my last comment, if I fully completed a singleplayer game I want to be able to sell it. I don't want it to gather dust for the rest of my life and I also don't want neverending stream of singleplayer dlc. But I guess the current profit model for big retail games will change.


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Comment #320 by thenewpeter
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 10:00:01 AM
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@314 and 317

Now, one point I want to say, where do you think the games industry would be as a whole without the used games element? The growth of gaming has been in large part to the pre-owned market making purchasing games more accessible to people with less money.
I personly feel that developers SHOULD get some of the money made from pre-owned sales however, any store that deals decently heavily in pre-owned games should give, say, 15 or 25% of the money made from the game to the developer. I'd stand heavily behind that fact, meaning that the developers have little to honestly complain about because they are then getting a share in the sales.

This'll of course mean a big over haul in games sale and likely some law suites on stores refusing to adhear to this, but, that'd be a fairer solution.

I've perosnly only feel 1 good sale on the GoD games, in which allot of not so good games where brought down to very cheap (though the physical versions where still cheaper to buy) but the majority of new releases on there are over priced. If you look at the latest games on there, for games that showed some popularity, they'll often be seen at £50, a great example being Gears3, but that was put there 6 months after release(which i bought day 1 for £35), CoD BO2 has just gone on there for £50, off the top of my head, I can't remember any other examples, but of the standard price's are dearer then the in shop counter parts. That said, of course, you sometimes need to shop around for those nice price's.

Microsoft haven't left me with much faith in them for a good online service system to trust generally.

I understand full well the cost of making a game, but the games market has been going for a long time now, it's no new issue that's cropped up, it's always been there, they should push for percentage's of used games sales, not for out right sticking their middle finger to the gamers.


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Comment #321 by RDrules
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 10:10:41 AM
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@311 steam doesnt work like this at all, steam can be played offline and no matter how much people say otherwise it can, once you have downloaded a game off it you can load steam up in offline mode at any time and play them.

steam also offers limited amounts of trading through their gift service and ave been looking into ways of implementing actual game trading

theyre looking at making the market better in digital form rather than screwing over companies


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Comment #322 by Shojx
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 10:54:01 AM
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Smell that? . . . Smells like a Wii U moving in after my 360 no longer has new games for it.


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Comment #323 by iTz WaffleS v2
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:22:56 PM
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If they pull this bullshit, I will either sell my 360 for whatever I can get out of it (god knows probably $20 at this point), or just take it and blow it up, and post it on youtube. And then take my money and go buy a PS3 (or PS4). Microsoft you are truely making the console war weigh in the favor of Sony more and more each day.

So I say this: Go fuck yourselves Microsoft, Sony is about to be my new choice.


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Comment #324 by Lewis180
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 12:23:11 PM
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If this is true the price of retail games should come down.


hahaha JK ¬_¬


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Comment #325 by Dourden3366
Thursday, February 07, 2013 @ 02:52:08 PM
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the last "new" game i bought was for PS2, GT4 and armored core 4, for the price of those 2 new games i could have bought a whole system. i have NEVER bought a new game for my 360, and the reason i switched from playstation to xbox in the first place was because PS stopped backwards compatibility. do these retards NOT see the HUGE used video game market out there, EB games and other have been going for years and years on used anything. if microsoft goes ahead with this it will be the end for them.


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Comment #326 by StaraptorZ2
Friday, February 08, 2013 @ 10:31:35 AM
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Paying for Xbox Live is stupid.


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Comment #327 by Vlad The Lost
Friday, February 08, 2013 @ 11:27:44 AM
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This is looking bad for people who share games between friends...


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Comment #328 by Rose Knight789
Friday, February 08, 2013 @ 12:25:09 PM
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If this turns out to be fact on the next gen console well microsoft fucked up big.


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Comment #329 by rye007
Saturday, February 09, 2013 @ 02:20:42 AM
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This would be total shit! I would like to think its not true and if it is I ain't gonna but one. They should not be able to restrict the games as they can then charge want they want for em. I am also a member of love film for the games so they would probably have to stop there game rentals. Microsoft are robbing bastards if they do this


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Comment #330 by Lord of Fate
Saturday, February 09, 2013 @ 06:18:31 PM
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If this is true, I will not be buying an Xbox 3...nuff said. PS4 will have my vote and I will just keep my 360.


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Comment #331 by Reynolds360
Sunday, February 10, 2013 @ 12:39:27 PM
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I cant see this happening for 2 reason.

1. It would be easier and cheaper to make all games downloadable only meaning no need for discs, disc drives or codes if internet access is required.

2. Microsoft wouldn't stop the sale of second hand games but charge for a new licence for these games like they do on pc's and online gaming on xbox live.


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Comment #332 by Zombiedrd
Wednesday, February 13, 2013 @ 11:33:35 AM
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Welp, I'm out. Most games are trash and not worth the high price demanded. I rented 99% of what I played, and that way I got to see what trash most games are. No rentals, no more playing for me. When they finally stop releasing games for the 360, I'm closing cancelling my LIVE, and finding a new hobby.


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Comment #333 by KellissAmberlee
Thursday, February 14, 2013 @ 11:46:43 PM
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That seems shortsighted becuase it would also kill the rental market and you can't even play a game at a friend's unless you want to bring your xbox over.

I'd have to look more closely at a Playstation if they really go that route. Or maybe give up console gaming altogether and just use the (non Windows 8) computer.


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Comment #334 by WaxyCloth
Sunday, February 17, 2013 @ 07:13:25 AM
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This is bad news of it turns out to be true.

Would this also end game rentals, I use LoveFilm to get a lot of my games.


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Comment #335 by Eagle41
Sunday, February 17, 2013 @ 03:47:37 PM
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Come on people! No matter what you may think of the company, Microsoft is extremely good, and smart, when it comes to MAKING money. They would not be stupid enough to do any of this as it would KILL the gaming industry as a whole. It is one thing to try to recoup monies lost on second-hand games/game rentals but another thing entirely to flush the whole industry. They would not do that, they are not that stupid. They know the resulting revolt would kill their billions of dollars in sales. Think about it: $300 for the console, $60/yr for the XBL subscription and $240/yr conservatively for games (four new games/year), multiplied by 40 million. That is ALOT of effin money. As for requiring an internet connection, that may be something else, another level of control of some sort but I cannot see DRM coming to gaming beyond that which already exists (i.e. online passes). It is more believeable that this is a RUMOR started by MSFT's competition (SONY!) in an attempt to destroy their next gen console sales.

If it is true then I eat these words and I will probably never play another console game.


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Comment #336 by wickedclowns95
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 @ 04:45:49 PM
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This makes me consider simply not playing videogames anymore. I don't need them, I barely have time for them anymore, and these companies just keep trying to screw over their consumers in every conceivable way. Don't do it Microsoft, your fans will not respond well to this.


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Comment #337 by bailagent777
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 @ 11:55:31 PM
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Now this is obviously still rumor, supposedly came from a twitter post by a Xbox/Microsoft marketing guy who was fired just after the twitter post.

Now here is my rub on this subject. Microsoft has become very adept at shooting themselves in the foot, knee and other places, so this would not be a total surprise to those of us who remember the bonehead moves of their past. Lest we forget Bill Gates on National television state all Microsofts DNS services were on one server and the hack done by some kid within hours of that stupid comment.

Talking to well over 400 people who game I have seen a very dire consensus on the always on Xbox live item. Easily 75% or more expressed anger and frustration over this idiotic idea, and some of the younger ones even pointed out that their internet connection often fails due to a crappy ISP, and then they play offline as a result till the Internet is back working. From what I read and heard this would no longer be possible.

Now take from my experiences I live in a State forest and Internet is hard enough to get here and I am very fortunate to have Internet let alone the 30 megs I get here. We still in these parts have L.A.N. parties on weekends. So this would kill any such LAN party dead in the water so to speak.

Maybe the big cheese at Xbox live forgets not all of us live in 45 million dollars homes with our own T-1 or T-3 connections at our homes.

This if true will be a monumental failure on the part of Xbox and frankly just thinking about this makes me now consider going BACK to computer games. Now what do I know, I am just a retired Telephone company Engineer..

To be honest I think Xbox will suffer a serious market share disaster if this happens, but even Sony is now becoming adept at self destruction so who knows where this might end up.

As far as NO previously owned games? This is another potential marketing disaster internationally for Microsoft/Xbox. Many people in Europe due to hard economic times are only buying used games, I know because I play with many of them online. This would crush Xbox live and Xbox sales more than they may comprehend. It will send many to computer games in short order.

Now no one can really predict consumer reactions, but there is so much trash the consumer can bear and Xbox already has tested the patience of it's customer base and pushed many off Xbox live already, so maybe they have some self destructive issue going on.

If they push this always on Xbox Live crap, I will not but the new console and I always buy at least two of them. I have had 3 Classic Xboxes, and 3 Xbox live accounts, same with the Xbox 360 with 3 accounts which I let others use when we have company at the house. So I guess time will tell.

Maybe Xbox Executives are drinking the same Kool Aid that the Executives at E.A. Games has been drinking. EA Games has yet to produce a stable server for any of the Battlefield franchises for Xbox live, starting with the Classic Xbox's Battlefield Modern Combat and every Battlefield product since and including BF3 who's servers are pure trash. People getting booted, servers resetting the max player counts to 16 instead of 24 and numerous issues.
Makes you wonder who's more foolish, the Executives in the Console gaming market or us for buying their trash?

Unless I see the valued customer attitude come back, these Xbox 360's will be my last consoles.


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Comment #338 by Pounder5001
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 02:28:36 PM
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I'm a 38 year old gamer. I am a full time professional (Commercial Insurance) and a single father who is raising his 7 year old son 4-5 days a week. In other words, as much as I have loved gaming (ever since my first colecovsion session in the second grade! Frogger ruled!)I rarely have time to sit down and really play like I used to. I don't get online and compete. What I do is buy a game (usually used, but sometimes new) and sit down and play through the story campaign beginning to end. Usually I can do this in one or two nights after the boy goes to bed and at the expense of sleep. I rarely go back and replay (I don't have time, and this is also the reason I usually buy used). I finish 3-4 games a month. Does this make me any less of a gamer? I don't have an internet connection at the house because I am online all day at work and don't need it nor can justify the cost. Now Microsoft is going to tell me I have to go online and quit buying used games?!! That's fine...as long as they realize they just lost a longtime X-Box customer. I can't believe I'm considering this... but I may be switching to Playstation!


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