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Dead Space 3 Resources Exploit Could be Considered Theft, Says IP Expert
Written Monday, February 11, 2013 By Lee Bradley
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Here’s an interesting little story, to tack on to Dead Space 3’s recent microtransactions controversy.

An IP expert has said that exploiting Dead Space 3’s recently exposed resources “glitch” could be considered theft.

The exploit allows players to gather infinite resources in-game, thereby side-stepping the need to engage with any microtransactions.

“If you go into a baker’s to buy a bun and they give you the wrong change and you walk away knowing you have been given more change than you handed over in the first place, that’s theft,” said Sara Ludlam, an intellectual property expert at Lupton, Fawcett, Lee & Priestley.

“So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch allows you to accumulate them without paying, that’s theft as well. But it is arguable because it’s a new area.”

Arguable indeed. In fact, EA themselves recently contacted us to communicate that the infinite resources glitch in Dead Space 3 isn’t a glitch at all, but a design choice.

“The resource-earning mechanic in Dead Space 3 is not a glitch,” the publisher told us. “We have no plans to issue a patch to change this aspect of the game. We encourage players to explore the game and discover the areas where resources respawn for free.

“We’ve deliberately designed Dead Space 3 to allow players to harvest resources by playing through the game. For those that wish to accumulate upgrades instantly, we have enabled an optional system for them to buy the resources at a minimal cost ($1-$3).”

It’s an interesting response from EA, one that has undertones of a PR job. Because, after all, if the publisher did issue a patch preventing players from gathering infinite resources, the story would take on a new light.

If such a patch was released, it would suddenly become a battle, with gamers on one side resisting microtransactions and EA on the other aggressively enforcing them. Handling it this way means that the story dies and the publisher retains its player-friendly front.

As for the IP expert, we’d say that the specifics of Dead Space 3’s microtransactions make her theft statement inaccurate. If the only way to gather resources in the game was by buying them, perhaps she’d have a point. But as resources are freely available through the game, this isn’t the case.

Regardless, it’s an interesting insight into the opinions of the kind of people that offer publishers regular advice.




 
 

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Comment #1 by Empty Seven Man
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:53:53 AM
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F***ing idiot
StarStar


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Comment #2 by KingLouis51
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:54:06 AM
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I actually laughed when I read the headline. I'm not even going to read the article; this is just nonsense.


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Comment #3 by dark wing
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:54:09 AM
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One could also say that some of EA's business practises are theft too.
Star


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Comment #4 by Flippery
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:55:13 AM
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You put your finger on it in the penultimate paragraph. The BBC reporter clearly did not give the journalist the full information.


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Comment #5 by UberPirateNinja
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:55:20 AM
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I've played thru the whole game, not once used a microtransaction, and I have more resources than I know what to do with. Fully maxed out weapons and rig, got nothing left to spend it on. I don't see the need for buying additional stuff at all.


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Comment #6 by Ginormous76
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:55:20 AM
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Theft would be if they forced you to use micro transactions after the $60 investment. As in, they would be stealing from you.


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Comment #7 by GR1FFv93
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:55:57 AM
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I'm glad this has happened I hate the idea of micro transactions, ruins the gaming experience.


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Comment #8 by BUZZARDIO 1080
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:56:06 AM
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funny that, i consider the micro transactions as theft!


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Comment #9 by MilkyTee
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:56:10 AM
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It's not theft, because you're not "supposed" to pay for them, they're entirely optional.

This chap obviously doesn't know a tap about video games or the industry in general.


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Comment #10 by Flippery
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:56:17 AM
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#4 journalist = lawyer


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Comment #11 by devastater6194
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:56:53 AM
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Since when do EA have a player friendly front? I'm pretty sure they got voted the worst company in the USA last year for a reason.
And as for the IP expert, if Activision themselves say that its part of the game and encourage people to use it, then who is going to press charges?


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Comment #12 by C0B WILDCHILD
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:57:22 AM
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Is it possible the devs designed this workaround in defiance of EA's decision to include microtransactions?


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Comment #13 by RealJadeFalcon
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:57:41 AM
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EA and player friendly do not belong in the same sentence.


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Comment #14 by Earth Djinn
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:57:53 AM
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Sara Ludlam is a fucking moron, and has done nothing but demonstrate a clear lack of knowledge about games.


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Comment #15 by LuigiS16
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:00:55 AM
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“So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch allows you to accumulate them without paying, that’s theft as well. But it is arguable because it’s a new area.”

^
I love how he says we are "SUPPOSED" to pay for weapons by buying the microtransactions.

Seriously though, what a clueless moron, I'd be suprised if he's ever played a game before.


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Comment #16 by Craphex
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:02:28 AM
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So how many exploits are in this game, and what chapters do they start happening?


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Comment #17 by linktriforce007
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:02:45 AM
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If this is what it takes to be an IP expert, then sign me up for graduate school!

Microtransactions are theft in themselves. But what I don't understand is why people don't just send out their scavenger bots, wait ten minutes, and use their ration seals they get to do the microtransactions instead of using MSP.

Ration Seals = Amazing. They were my savior in Hardcore.


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Comment #18 by macd
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:03:15 AM
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It's an odd one isn't it.

The way I see it, using the exploit and taking your time to grind resources vs buy them instantly is not theft. It's pretty much the basis of the system. If you glitched a save or something to make you instantly have a million (or suitably high number) of all resources, I could see them getting annoyed. But since this takes time by the user and doesn't appear to be a total Bs exploit, I don't see why they would.

And the penultilate paragraph hits the nail on the head for me.

Furthermore, I'm against microtransactions like this in full retail games at £40. If they gave you the game for free then did this I'd think it was perfectly fine - you gotta make money, but if I pay £40 for a game and the only way to get certain items that are at the core of the game is to pay for them, it's an awful system. If you get pay or grind, then I have no real issues with it, though I do dislike it.


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Comment #19 by GeneralGranko
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:04:14 AM
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No, what a f*cking f*cking LIE! LIAR! LET HIM BURN! TO THE BORDER!!!

I DIDN´T EVEN NEED TO READ THE WHOLE TEXT! THE ONLY THEFT ARE THE MICROTRANSACTIONS WITH EA BEING THE THIEF! JUST DIE SARA LUDLAM, DIE WITCH!


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Comment #20 by ModernSith2010
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:05:08 AM
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The micro transactions are only there for rich, lazy bastards that are to pathetic to play the game properly, so how can it be theft when you can get resources for free just by playing the game normally, if EA are to fucking stupid not to test the game for exploits that by pass there stupid greedy micro transactions, then all I have to say is boo hoo, I'm going to find my tiny violin.


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Comment #21 by the action frampton
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:06:33 AM
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@12 that's what I thought as well.

No surprise that the original statement came from a woman...


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Comment #22 by Nihlus87
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:06:37 AM
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I'll tell you what's theft. Paying full price for a game only to realise they haven't included the entire game. On-disc DLC, day one DLC, and a master plan of releasing DLC until you've payed twice the cost of the original game. LOL. Fucking hypocrites.


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Comment #23 by Chainsaw Chunk
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:07:33 AM
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Not THEFT this is KARMA EA micro transactions are a plague so happy the exploit was found so soon hahaha


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Comment #24 by irishsnow79
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:09:49 AM
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I had to laugh at her comparing microtransactions to buying buns in a bakery. But then i suppose with buns i can either buy them instantly or wait a few hours and scavenge in the bins at the end of the day for free. Kind of like microtransactions then.....


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Comment #25 by xNUKEx
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:10:33 AM
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Then the IP expert is an idiot.


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Comment #26 by MILINKYO
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:11:17 AM
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Come and aresst me EA im guilty


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Comment #27 by Lazy_FAQer
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:14:39 AM
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She real has a handle on the subject matter by comparing new this hi-tech modern day scenario to the comparable art of ... oh wait, no, baking buns is one of the oldest artisan forms on planet Earth!

I'd wager her 'expertise' isn't worth the paper it is written on.


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Comment #28 by Jerric
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:19:39 AM
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I find it funny how many people post without even reading the articlem. EA stated they aren't exploits. They wanted resources to respawn to promote exploration. Even if you only do the main story you end up revisiting some rooms, and some things usually respawn, like the area where you first find a rig station, the lockers usually refill. Stop acting proud of yourselves like you are sticking it to the man. If you genuinely can't enjoy the game and are too focussed on this "option" your dumb ass shouldn't have bought the game in the first place.


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Comment #29 by finallife6
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:22:08 AM
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Wow this is pretty stupid, calling an exploit the same as theft maybe its the game designers fault the game is broken then ours?

“We’ve deliberately designed Dead Space 3 to allow players to harvest resources by playing through the game. For those that wish to accumulate upgrades instantly, we have enabled an optional system for them to buy the resources at a minimal cost ($1-$3).”

TBH this sounds more like a theft saying if you want more upgrades go buy them.

Screw you EA well done, I dont give a shit if you shit if you shut servers off or not but this seriously is a new low


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Comment #30 by H2O
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:22:35 AM
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“So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch allows you to accumulate them without paying, that’s theft as well. But it is arguable because it’s a new area.”

Flawed statement. You're not supposed to be paying as everything can be acquired using ration seals collected in game. Using MSP is just a short cut for lazy people.

This guys not much of an expert :-/


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Comment #31 by Aara123
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:23:00 AM
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Even if it was a glitch it wouldn't be theft. The IP guy's argument is built on the basis that one has to pay to earn resources, which of course isn't the case since you can earn the same resources by simply playing through the game, only paying to expedite the process if desired.


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Comment #32 by H2O
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:24:47 AM
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@30 better read the whole article before posting next time.. Especially the bit that says 'her' :-/


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Comment #33 by Serpream
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:30:35 AM
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Haha guess im a Mafia then. Chapter 13 - Load, drop 2 bots, save and quit. Go mess around in weapon crafting till bot returns. Reepat. Made some insane weapons by doing that.


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Comment #34 by Katarn84
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:34:14 AM
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Smart move EA, it's good to see player friendly companies.


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Comment #35 by WeskersHenchman
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:34:19 AM
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It may actually not be a glitch, as hard as that is to believe, since there was something similar you could do in Dead Space 2, and maybe even the first one (can't remember for sure, been a while on that one).

Either way, that anyone could consider this theft is ridiculous. Smacks of someone trying to get their name noticed at the law firm. Probably won't make full partner with this scheme.



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Comment #36 by daviduk2000
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:38:14 AM
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Is it then also theft to make us pay for something we can get for free?


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Comment #37 by ash356
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:45:51 AM
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Well, isn't it also considered a form of theft to sell me something that's broken? As such a glitch may be considered?
Checkmate.


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Comment #38 by Tai_MT
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:46:35 AM
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It's clearly theft when you can also buy these things with in-game currency! TOTALLY THEFT!

Did the person reporting such a thing ever even PLAY the game in question? I'm serious. Or am I just meant to believe that most reporters these days are abject morons who don't do research in the slightest and simply rely on "sensationalist" headlines?

You know, the more news I listen to (from any source, current events, sports, games, etcetera), the more I'm inclined to believe that journalism has died a long time ago. Gone are the days of research and reporting facts. Here now is the time of speculative and sensationalist reporting where if it's wrong, it's okay, we can print a retraction on the last page where nobody bothers to read it.

I am so sick and tired of living in a world where idiots like this are allowed to get PAID. Used to be these were the kinds of people who spent their lives flipping burgers or filling up your gas tank. What ever happened to those days? When did it become fashionable to let the morons into high paying jobs?


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Comment #39 by Doc Lolly
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:51:26 AM
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According to that logic that means every time you pick up an item for free or send out a scavenger bot your committing a crime XD


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Comment #40 by JayD5ivE
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:01:08 AM
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OLD NEWS! Look it up. EA has already said they are aware of this and they WILL NOT patch it.


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Comment #41 by The Grendel
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:03:35 AM
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I'm having fun with DS3, and I love the microtransactions. If you don't like them, don't use them. If a few $3 transactions are going to break your bank, you probably shouldn't have a video game hobby. The bot personality pack gets pretty annoying however.


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Comment #42 by zeroy042
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:04:54 AM
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@40 I know, I read the article...

And in my opinion,
Micro-transactions should be considered theft!!!


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Comment #43 by icegardner9
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:06:44 AM
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I love when people who havent played the game and have no idea about it make retarded statements about the game. This is like the Mass Effect issue when Fox news said it was to graphic. All we need now is Issac Clark to punch out a reporter video.


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Comment #44 by Blud
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:11:16 AM
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Poor analogy. It's more like the baker has a tray of rolls out as free samples. The customer walks in, takes a roll, leaves, and then repeats it. Taking the roll is not theft. If the baker didn't want a customer to take more than one, they need to ask the customer not to take any more or to post some sort of sign. The resources are free in the game, and there is no sign indicating that they player can only take a resource once. If need be, the game should have been designed so that resources don't respawn.


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Comment #45 by thenewpeter
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:29:40 AM
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@38, oh, the news doesn't report real news anymore, it reports what sells, the same is said for new papers, the news is planned months in advance of its printing ect. anything that happens leading up till then is just extra, like a tsunami ect.


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Comment #46 by Opiate42
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:31:13 AM
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This leaves me completely flabbergasted.


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Comment #47 by Capt_Ron CFH 01
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:34:15 AM
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If that's considered theft then I'd sure like to hear her take on the Chapters of Deceit DLC for Army of Two 40th Day. You reap what you sow EA.


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Comment #48 by JuSt BLaZe
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:46:56 AM
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Someone please stomp this guy like NORTON, thx.


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Comment #49 by I X I Shock I
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:50:36 AM
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Wait.. EA is ALLOWING this? Where they are losing money?

The world must be coming to an end.


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Comment #50 by v1p3rsbite
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:54:26 AM
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Want an example of theft EA? Here's one for you assholes. I go out and buy a game day one. I play said game for a bit and get bored of it. I go back to named game 8 months later to find my game broken because you (EA) shut down the servers. So, you have effectively taken part of my game away. I can longer play portions of my games that I have purchased because a mega corporation "cant afford" (or whatever bullshit excuse they use) to to keep a server open or allows player hosted servers. And this practice of theft isn't even limited to multiplayer games. Portions of my single player games are hindered because EA decides that they have enough money to afford pissing off a few gamers time and time again. I hope no one pays for these stupid micro transactions. I won't, because I won't buy this game new, and by the time I do pick it up the servers will be shut down and I wouldn't be able to buy resources anyways.


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Comment #51 by Tsukasa117
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 09:03:54 AM
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Is this considered a form of entrapment, buy our shit or get arrested?


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Comment #52 by gmcb007
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 09:05:14 AM
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Her example is terrible. The difference here is that you can obtain the parts freely. The microtransaction is for people who are just too lazy/stupid to actually play the game. Shame on xboxachievemnets even posting this desperate case of attention seeking.


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Comment #53 by flo74
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 09:09:21 AM
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Lol - aren't you guys getting tired of all these non-arguments?
Enjoy the GAME!


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Comment #54 by Snowed
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 09:09:25 AM
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The example she gave as theft is not theft. The shop owner gives you incorrect change - you take it with their permission. Larceny requires a trespassory taking in the US and UK and that is defeated if you have permission to take it.

As for these microtransactions, no. Firstly, the game is probably your property. Secondly, even if it was a license, it's probably not a trespassory taking.


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Comment #55 by Mrryan12
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 09:17:55 AM
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Lol EA, "But you guys are supposed to be paying us!"


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Comment #56 by VideInfra86
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 09:24:53 AM
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most retarded and backward thing. Ever. In the history of all things. Ever.


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Comment #57 by x_Silxx_x
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 09:30:10 AM
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“So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch allows you to accumulate them without paying, that’s theft as well. But it is arguable because it’s a new area.”


SUPPOSED to be paying for? You don't HAVE to pay for them, you can earn them by playing. What a complete and utter twat.


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Comment #58 by cursednaruto
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 09:55:56 AM
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@15 check his gaming history the up advisor only as Lego games and my little pony beta well not really but that's what I think there gaming history would be


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Comment #59 by Toots McCleggan
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 10:07:28 AM
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@19......+1 superb work


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Comment #60 by alex3manu
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 10:14:12 AM
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There is one HUGE flaw in her argument. She states :"if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons". Paying for these weapons is a choice. It's understandable if you had no choice to pay if you wanted to obtain these weapons but because you can gain them for free through hard work, it's not theft at all?


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Comment #61 by Cima al Mondo
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 10:32:08 AM
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Didn't we already pay for these weapons when we bought the game?


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Comment #62 by Ethereal Reaver
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 10:34:34 AM
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It's a damn game! Get over it! Theft in a game? Are you kidding me???


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Comment #63 by DarqStalker
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 10:53:36 AM
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its good that EA isn't pursuing legal and actually admit it was a design choice. I was about to say, that they told us the microtransactions was an 'optional' way to get resources quicker, and that you can find all you need within the game. If this was considered stealing, then it would make the issue of having enough resources within the game invalid.


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Comment #64 by cheevo360
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:01:22 AM
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Lol EA crying. Well I did bought MS point to bought resources because I weren't sure there not much between chapter 1 to 3 which is why I decide bought it also help me get achievements faster for crafts. Well I had enough ms points so I could done it. Stupid cheaters who want thief. It is not good for people who want thieves and cheaters and that is not health for gamers. I not side with EA and I not side with thieves or cheaters but it just from what this EA explain. I understand EA not happy with cheaters and thieves because it is not fair on other gamers and my self who work hard through campaign to find everything or spent with real money to get it. But other hand I not happy with EA is that ruined Dead Space 3 for franchise as well stupid save system.

I blamed EA for ruined franchise and released bad design of save system and I blamed cheaters and thieves who want ruined game and cheats etc...

Well EA vs. Cheaters and Thieves: DRAW!!! Both is problems. :)


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Comment #65 by ll Mr Bubbles ll
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:02:48 AM
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Read the first few lines then stopped....fuckin idiot comparing resources in a video game to actual money in life....


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Comment #66 by Caramel Cardinal
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:02:54 AM
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no theft would beiinstalled a program that allows me to do this, if it's there naturlay it isn't thef it's there own fault for not spending more time testing the game


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Comment #67 by irishsnow79
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:05:05 AM
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It was a woman who spouted this bullshit....am i the only one not surprised??


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Comment #68 by XRizerX
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:11:27 AM
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Call me a cheat and a thief then because I used a script to give myself 999, 999 resources on the PC version. LOLOL...

Looks like EA just missed out on thousands of dollars in resource micro-transactions. I win?

I don't understand people who are anti-cheating any way. You can mindlessly grind and reload a save file to "farm" resources or just download a program and plug in a number... who's the fool in this situation?


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Comment #69 by Peter File
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:25:32 AM
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''So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons''

youre meant to actually play the game and earn the resources yourself..
love it how this person is considered an expert, when she clearly knows fuck all about what shes talking about lol


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Comment #70 by asilent boom
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:26:04 AM
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Lol, this is news? Ok....



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Comment #71 by JSP 16
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:32:07 AM
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I'd touch her buns -.-

Get charged for harassing or glitching....hmmm touch choice


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Comment #72 by deluxnugs
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:33:03 AM
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Im so glad that I didn't purchase this game now.


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Comment #73 by Cinderkin
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:36:49 AM
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W0W I should become an IP expert. All you have to do is speak absolute nonsense. Seems easy enough.


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Comment #74 by Jay Leon Hart
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:42:41 AM
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BBC, I thought you were better than this...


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Comment #75 by Sixgun
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:43:33 AM
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Hey devs, go phuck yourself. Besides there are easier ways...


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Comment #76 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:45:05 AM
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Visceral games must be ok with this "theft" since I read they weren't patching it because they said it wasn't even a glitch at all.


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Comment #77 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:49:20 AM
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“If you go into a baker’s to buy a bun and they give you the wrong change and you walk away knowing you have been given more change than you handed over in the first place, that’s theft,” said Sara Ludlam, an intellectual property expert at Lupton, Fawcett, Lee & Priestley.

That's not theft. That's called taking advantage of an opportunistic situation. If the cashier hands you the wrong change that's not your fault. Using the "glitch" is the exact same thing as the cashier handing you the more change than the supposed amount.


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Comment #78 by UltimateHero128
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:57:19 AM
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@#11 What does Activision have to do with anything here?


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Comment #79 by newbsicle
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 12:02:30 PM
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Not really comparable to short changing a store. I already bought and paid for the game, the extra crap can be unlocked through the always inevitable exploit, natural progression, or I can buy it from the get-go.

The gaming industry is fully of the most greedy bastards.

Would it fly if I made a candy bar, sold it to consumers, then made the packaging nearly impossible to access without a meticulous and time consuming unwrapping process. The only way to bypass this process would be to also buy my unwrapping instructions for a nominal fee. Nobody in there right mind would put up with a candy bar like that. If my candy company managed to stay afloat then I would be getting sued all over the place. So why do we let the gaming industry get away with all this nickle and dimming bullshit?


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Comment #80 by roza
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 12:05:06 PM
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Uh, being given more change than you should have isn't theft. That's the cashiers fault, no illegal activity was carried out. such as here. The glitch is within the game, so ergo, it is part of the game, and not 'theft'.
Stop scrounging for money EA you cunts.


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Comment #81 by Skid Row Trash
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 12:10:26 PM
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This is the dumbest article I have ever seen.
I only bothered reading the headline, but here is the real news for you all

EA has responded to this and made a statement saying that this is NOT a glitch and NOT an exploit. They want players to find these "magical" locations within the game and use them. They were MEANT to be there.

That is official from EA


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Comment #82 by EscapeTheApe
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 12:18:32 PM
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@21 & 67

Wow, that's some A-rank trolling right there.

WELL DONE


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Comment #83 by edgecrusherhalo
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 12:38:57 PM
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and this is why in game micro transactions are a bad idea in the first place. paying for extra content, or purchasing one time use things like an extra gun that you cant unlock otherwise is fine. but this method of micro transactions, similar to how mass effect 3s packs are, will eventually go bad and polarize people as well as create a wall between gamers and publishers. to me its clear that EA is becoming more about making products to make money, then it is about making good games. they want their hands on everything other good studios are making so that they can make money without having to do much themselves. then they start to dictate things in development and next thing you know its an EA game more than it is a game the original studio wanted.


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Comment #84 by ENVY021
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 01:05:15 PM
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LMAO, guess anyone is an "expert" nowadays.


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Comment #85 by H0p3sfalL
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 01:25:59 PM
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Yea good luck trying to arrest thousands of people scattered all over North America and the world.


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Comment #86 by RES1DENT NEMES1S
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 02:09:40 PM
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lol this might just be the dumbest thing i've ever read. What a load of nonsense.


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Comment #87 by sonicmark
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 02:17:36 PM
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“So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch allows you to accumulate them without paying, that’s theft as well. But it is arguable because it’s a new area.”

I'll have some of what she's smoking too.


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Comment #88 by xDelta07
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 02:36:25 PM
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I think the best part of this story is EA's response. The developers made a way to sidestep microtransactions through doing a little bit of exploring, and EA supported that. I think this is a great thing that EA didn't "fix" the glitch and instead supported what the developers did. Good move on their part.


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Comment #89 by Neohawk
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 02:55:59 PM
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Also, reading the news online is theft because you know you should be buying the newspaper. Does that statement mean i'm a qualifed IP expert?


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Comment #90 by DopeGivesMeHope
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 03:10:42 PM
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How is it theft its a fault in there game so therefore they are to blame not the people who did the exploit.


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Comment #91 by linktriforce007
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 03:25:42 PM
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I'll use my ration seals instead.


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Comment #92 by Crimson Ridley
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 03:34:50 PM
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"So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch" - But they aren't supposed to be paid for, are they? Micro transactions are a way to get you to pay for something you've already paid for. To me, that's theft of my money. Do I have a case?


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Comment #93 by asilent boom
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 03:36:45 PM
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@77 I wouldn't call that an opportunistic situation, you're taking advantage of a persons mistake for your own financial gain. The cashier will either have to pay the money back out of their own pocket or tell their boss they messed up and that their drawer is short, and take the consequences. It might not be theft but it's pretty close to it.


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Comment #94 by Spanish Assault
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 03:37:45 PM
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another clueles window licker....


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Comment #95 by asilent boom
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 03:43:31 PM
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@92 No, if it were forcing the micro-transactions on you, then I'd agree it's theft. But these are an optional feature, and a faster route for people who don't want to spend their time searching for resources. If that's how a person wants to spend their money, that's not theft. I'm not trying to defend micro transactions, but it's not theft unless you don't have another alternative.


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Comment #96 by LaserBehm
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 03:59:29 PM
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actually if a cashier gives you too much money back, it only becomes a moral issue of whether to return it. It is not theft but rather a "bank error in your favor" if you will.


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Comment #97 by PledgedZebra4
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 04:21:54 PM
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“If you go into a baker’s to buy a bun and they give you the wrong change and you walk away knowing you have been given more change than you handed over in the first place, that’s theft,” said Sara Ludlam, an intellectual property expert at Lupton, Fawcett, Lee & Priestley.

“So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch allows you to accumulate them without paying, that’s theft as well. But it is arguable because it’s a new area.”

Worst. Analogy. Ever.


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Comment #98 by L4D II JoK3r
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 04:44:43 PM
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Seriously? Probably got her law degree from the university of bullshit


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Comment #99 by ColdSpider72
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 05:05:04 PM
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Moral of the story? Sara ludlam is as sharp as a bowling ball. Is this the kind of shit people are learning in business class now??


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Comment #100 by scarface983
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 05:09:21 PM
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imma have to get this game and do the exploit before they patch it! lol


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Comment #101 by ENVY021
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 05:18:51 PM
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@96, no it's theft.
If a cashier gives you too much change, they don't know you, they aren't going to charge you (it's unually chump change anyway) but the cashier can get fired (although that's not a legal part of this I know). Anyway, as far as theft in a legal matter, if a bank gives you too much money and you willingly spend it without telling them, they will catch the error and they will get their money back from you or press charges.


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Comment #102 by TCs Negotiator
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 05:38:32 PM
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LOL. EA is a joke. Karma sucks doesn't it.


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Comment #103 by Exu
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 05:44:34 PM
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What about holding back content to sell separately as DLC a month after launch, could that be considered theft?
Or about holding back content to sell separately as DLC on DAY ONE, could that be considered theft?
Or locking content that's already on the disc behind a microtransaction barrier, could that be considered theft?

COULD IT, LUDLAM?


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Comment #104 by Cann0nSen5ei
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:06:03 PM
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EA said something player-friendly for once?!

Is it Christmas?


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Comment #105 by CallENWake17
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:23:09 PM
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I have not followed the whole story in the comments, but this Sara Ludlam has absolutely no idea, what she is talking about. I'm not sure, but I think it is not part of my duty as a customer to check the change. If I do and see change is wrong, I would tell, but this is not theft...

And then regarding the absolute nonsense comparison. (I mean has this women any knowledge what a game is or heard anything about controversial license decisions in the last years...?):
1. if I go into a bakery, I can buy a bun (it is my property then) and resell it, or do whatever I like. Not like the license thing...hey, I sell it to you Sara, but you have to pay license fees then to the baker. EAT IT!
2. if I purchase a bun, I can eat it, therefore manipulate it. ->I have not made any illegal things. Also has nothing to do with violation of any rights regarding intellectual property... NOW, DONT EAT IT!
3. publishers have always played it like you get a license no property, so well I have nothing received from you, just the right to look at the bun...

To make a point on this: I think a video game is better compared with a visit in a cinema. When the movie is played twice after each other, you have not paid for it, but they did the mistake. Will you have to pay another visit?

Sara, if you ever watch a concert from outside the concert area, you have also began a theft. And you know: I will find you and charge you for it..

If only one publisher is going to follow an idea like this, I will never ever purchase a game from them and tell all the people I know, to do so too.

BTW: Isn't it betrayal when you sell something, which is not clearly indicated as faulty and most certainly also known by the publisher? Maybe we should go here some ways and get some bankrupt...(speaking of bugs in video games..)

Sorry for the long post, but dammit, how I hate these company thinking people and their potential losses...
WE GIVE YOU OUR MONEY, the opposite is not the case..

..Whatsover, I have not thought that EA is taking such kind of diplomatic decisions(, at least for a short time). :)


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Comment #106 by BlackSnowe
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:28:44 PM
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From the way that statement is phrased, she wasn't working with all of the appropriate information. Either that or she has misread or misheard what was said to her prior to the statement being made.

In the situation that she is describing, her application of law is technically correct. The problem is that the situation she describes isn't the actual situation.


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Comment #107 by MoldyClay87
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 06:33:39 PM
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By this logic, playing the game and naturally obtaining resources would be considered theft.

OH OKAY.

There's no need for "sidestepping" the microtransactions, it's sidestepping cheating in the first place (obtaining the best stuff before you should). Play the game and BAM already sidestepped the "need" for microtransactions. Le gasp.


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Comment #108 by Spartanic Ghost
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:21:27 PM
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So when a cashier gives me back more change than he/she was supposed to, I'M the thief?! It's MY job and MY responsibility to be a good Samaritan?!

How about no, you're fucking wrong lady. If a cashier makes that mistake, THEY made the mistake, it's on their head, by their hands, I'm not responsible, and you know what they say, the customer is always right. So shove off, maybe get a new job if you're going to use such a poor comparison for your argument, which holds no water to even begin with. Someone get this woman fired.


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Comment #109 by xxDrAiNxx
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 07:50:07 PM
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The microtransactions sales must be doing pretty bad. Ea show us the numbers on how many people bought these packs in a couple months. I dare you !


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Comment #110 by oO Triple G Oo
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:12:12 PM
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Even though EA has given people their blessing, calling the exploit "Not an exploit", and it apparently a part of gameplay.


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Comment #111 by foamy10
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:22:53 PM
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@84 ever see Pawn Stars? That dude has an expert for everything.

OT: “We’ve deliberately designed Dead Space 3 to allow players to harvest resources by playing through the game. For those that wish to accumulate upgrades instantly, we have enabled an optional system for them to buy the resources at a minimal cost ($1-$3).”

Ever hear of cheat codes?


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Comment #112 by Proper Ryan
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 08:31:21 PM
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Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?


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Comment #113 by crunchb3rry
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 10:09:18 PM
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I don't get it. This lady shouldn't be concerned at all and it's not really her business anyway. It's not like EA is a struggling developer, and they left this in the game on purpose. Probably to cover their bases and not appear to be like those shady-motherfuckin-ass cellphone games you download, play for a few hours, then find out you are fucked unless you fork over real money that adds up so fast you feel like a fool for even spending a dollar. EA handled this right. To be honest, greedy as they are, they don't really go near the level of scumbaggery as most of the big cell game devs.


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Comment #114 by ajennice
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 10:40:29 PM
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Paying about 60.00 for this game.. Now there's a crime!


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Comment #115 by Darkhound64
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:02:13 PM
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Oh wow haha. I only read the title but thanks for the laugh haha


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Comment #116 by Blue Thunder28
Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:39:29 PM
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"The exploit allows players to gather infinite resources in-game, thereby side-stepping the need to engage with any microtransactions."

You can also just keep playing the game and side-step the need to engage with any microtransations.


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Comment #117 by Firebird NZ
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 01:04:57 AM
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"We encourage players to explore the game and discover the areas where resources respawn for free."
So, he encourages people to do what he claims is stealing, but he doesn't want people to steal? Also, people are "supposed" to use microtransactions?
Well, >:(


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Comment #118 by NUROK
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 02:23:09 AM
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what about the theft of our achievement opportunities with your server closures or the $10 you take from people who buy a used game to play something that is already advertised on the package.


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Comment #119 by Epilogue of Euphoria
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 03:05:46 AM
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Why does EA have to be the way they are?


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Comment #120 by Perfection I
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 03:15:26 AM
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And when you pay 40 pounds for a game 6.99 a month for live and are still expected to purchase in game items that's theft too right?


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Comment #121 by Yummipoptarts
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 07:46:22 AM
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off topic but i bought the add on to make the bots talk and OMG best 400 points ive spent, so funny ... reminds me of Wheatly from Portal 2


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Comment #122 by MickeyT
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 05:38:03 PM
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This Sara Ludlam is full of shite!! EA have fired out half assed, unpolished broken games, so when a publisher knowingly sells a game it knows is not perfect and has issues "we'll patch later" this is the greatest theft!

And its not robbery if you walk out of a shop with incorrect change, its the cashiers mistake. The same way if you walk out of a shop and haven't checked your change and have been short changed, thats your mistake!

EA.. take note another big game release with more issues again! EA = Eternal a$$holes


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Comment #123 by VampireViking
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 @ 08:39:51 PM
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If you willingly take cash from a cashier knowing full well they gave you the wrong change and they didn't know, that is considered theft.

If you exploit a company's free stuff this is also considered theft and if said company changes there policy on the free stuff then they are not at fault. The people who exploited them are at fault.(For example people who glitch their rank or find a way to gain xp in a way that breaks how the game should be played in CoD or Halo get banned/reset and they patch the game-breaker.) Meaning if they do patch this exploit you have no legal right to complain and If the company wishes to they can punish those people who exploited them.

So to the people who are complaining about microtransistions and then exploiting EA's game for Credits you don't really have a leg to stand on when you blast your mouth off saying EA are "Robbing you" and if anything you are a bunch of hypocrites.
For those who are complaining about microtransactions and aren't exploiting EA's game, EA arent doing anything wrong. They are a business trying to add more gadgets to their games, if you don't want the extra's then don't buy them. They were put there for the lazy or for the people who dont have the time but have the spare cash. Its basically Time v.s Money.

Also can people stop with the horrible analogies especially if they aren't even comparable fully as you are the kind of people who say 'Hitler was a Christian, anyone who is a Christian must be Hitler'.

To put what EA have done in Laymans terms is this. They made a game where you CAN get all the weapons and upgrades if you put the time, effort and patience in. However if you dot want to do that you can pay for it with real money. They aren't making you do it. Its called choice of will.


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Comment #124 by newnick94
Wednesday, February 13, 2013 @ 11:09:59 PM
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This is the problem with the current video game market. Most of these people who are making the games and consoles, and people like her, forget that they are GAMES. VIDEO GAMES, mostly for kids and younger adults.

We didn't hear garbage like this in 1998 exploiting the item multiplier glitch in Pokemon Red and Blue. These people need to lighten up, same situation with the whole used games on new 720. It's for kids and alot of kids use trade ins to buy new games.


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Comment #125 by Disasterpiece83
Sunday, February 17, 2013 @ 04:43:34 AM
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It's funny watching people getting angry with this poorly informed woman, she quite obviously hasn't played the game so has a limited familiarity with how it's resource accumulation mechanics work. Get a grip people!


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Comment #126 by Mr Snict
Monday, February 18, 2013 @ 07:12:48 AM
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Classic example of Officals not understanding the industry. Also EA actually got out with some decency (perish the thought) They aint patching it as apparently they think its ok lol.


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Comment #127 by CxHxUxD
Monday, February 18, 2013 @ 08:30:04 AM
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Wow talk about cashcows! This is total BS! I have plenty of resources, I don't need to leave a room and come back in 100 times. I would have already beaten the game.


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Comment #128 by wickedclowns95
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 @ 04:35:23 PM
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Wouldn't it be funny if EA went out of business?


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Comment #129 by TEQUILA V1
Friday, February 22, 2013 @ 02:53:10 PM
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using the bad analagy of the bakers shop, you can get the buns for free as well, so paying for them is optional.


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Comment #130 by Zeppelin 856
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 07:42:25 AM
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What's the point of playing if you're going to exploit a glitch? Go to Call of Duty for that sh*t.

If this is a matter to some of you for this being an EA game maybe you shouldn't have bought it in the first place. The company has been around long enough for people to know if their games are worth buying or not.

Considering the fact that this is an M-rated game, anyone who replies to this that is under 17 can go shy themselves away from this article. Now stop it.


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Comment #131 by Zeppelin 856
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 07:43:27 AM
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@129

Nah, that's an great analogy, you're just not understanding it correctly.


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Comment #132 by Tyger7
Thursday, February 28, 2013 @ 06:51:30 PM
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EA has enlisted bots to steal for us. We can continue to release 3 bots around areas to gather "free" resources. All we have to do is wait 10 minutes for them to come back to the bench. We can pay EA to let them steal faster for us too! Guess what? The bots also give us rations so we can just use those "free coupons" to avoid buying the resources. Thanks EA!

In all honesty, the resource glitch does one thing and that's let you upgrade your suit a little bit early. I got bored of the glitch quickly and just moved on. I have not had a problem at all in my 4 playthroughs for resources. This means buying/stealing resources is worthless anyways.


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