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x360a Meets: Pete Hines, Fallout 3, Part 2
Written Monday, August 04, 2008 By Dan Webb
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So here we are, Part 2 of the mammoth interview with Fallout 3's Product Manager, Pete Hines. On the cards today, we discussed achievements, the rabbid Fallout fans, the release date and the three versions overall.

If by some miracle, you missed Part 1, it's here... And if by some other miracle, you missed our hands on, well, that can be found here. Enjoy!

Going back to the original Fallout, the view was looking down...

Isometric.

Yeah. Did you decide to make it like Oblivion because you’d done it before? Was this a conscious choice?

I’m sure that the fact that we had done our last game liked that played some part. But at the same time, we also felt that like if you’re really going to create this believable world, that you’re going to put a person in and expect them to suspend belief, then there is no better way to do that than first person where you’re really down in the world. When you’re walking down the ruined streets of a blown up DC, you’re not just looking down on somebody walking down a street, you are that guy and all that destruction is everywhere around you, it just makes it come to life in a way that you can’t do any other way and so that was possibly the biggest thing for us. It’s just the kind of experience we were trying to provide and how to best get that across to the player. I mean that’s why we do it in the Elder Scrolls, we could use any perspective we want but there is nothing quite as immersive as seeing the world through your character’s eyes and experience it that way.

There’s a North American release date?

Fall 2008. We haven’t given anything out other than Fall 2008 anywhere.

When will you be in a position to get that down?

I don’t know the day exactly, but it’s coming soon because it needs to be because Fall isn’t that far away.

*laughter*

It appears to be coming to London quicker than other places.

*more laughter*

Yeah, I would say, within the next little bit which a nicely undefined period of time.

*yet more laughter*

But yeah, we’ll have a specific date for PC, 360 and PS3.

Is the intention for all versions to come out at the same time?

Yes.

Regarding the PS3 version, we’ve seen the 360 version here today and at E3. How’s the PS3 version coming along?

It’s coming along, we’re getting down to the final strokes on all three versions, so they’re all, you know, the goal is to have all three of them be the same game, the same kind of performance on all three platforms.

Graphically, how’s it measuring up? Will you notice the difference?

That’s the goal that you can’t tell the difference.

What about Trophies? Is that something you’ll be adding?

Errrr... I don’t know. I can’t tell you for sure whether or not we’ll have them or not.

How are the achievements shaping up then? Are they nearly complete?

They’re mostly complete although we like to mess with that stuff sometimes in the late stages just in terms of... “yeah, it’s taking a little too long to get this one” which is why we didn’t want anybody looking at them cause I wouldn’t want you guys to put something out there that we then change and its completely different. Yeah, they’re largely in there and there are some really good ones in there. Some that I rather enjoy?

Time consuming?

You know I actually think that the achievements that we had in Oblivion were really good in terms of being cookie crumbs down the path, where you always felt like you were just this far from getting another one which is what I really liked about it. Fallout is a bit different because we don’t have all these guilds to progress you along and to give you achievements for each one. We do a number of different things, first of all, it’s impossible... *ponders* No it is... It’s got to be impossible to get them all on one playthrough. So you have to play through the game multiple times to get them all.

Some of them are for karma and different levels of karma you can get. So achieving certain ranks of good or evil or neutral karma, you get an achievement and so I think it’s impossible to move up and down each of those... Although somebody will figure out the exact order of good and evil things to do to get you up and down all three, but yeah, it’s thing where you’re going to have to playthrough the game more than once in a different way. Play once as a good guy, play through it again as a bad guy. And there is also just achievements for doing cool stuff out in the world... Blowing people’s pants up and things like that.

So, the game world, obviously it’s massive and you can go anywhere you want. Is there a danger you have gone too far?

Did we go too far? *laughs* Ha ha, I don’t know.

It’s like, you’re walking through the world, but it seems barren and apart from the main storyline, there is no real direction?

Well, a couple of things, first of all, you know, we sort of take a risk and have you guys [editor’s note: Pete is referring to the editors attending the event] go out in to the world having not experienced the first 30-45 minutes where you get everything explained to you, so if you pay attention to your compass and where it’s trying to direct you to unknown locations out in the world, you actually come across a lot of that stuff. It’s fairly easy to walk past it without even trying and you know, in Oblivion, it’s a little easier because there is a mountain and there is a cave in the side of the mountain. Where as in Fallout, it’s not as “beat you over the head” obvious but I do think it’s a combination of using your compass to recognise when you’re walking past lots of things for you to see and do.

Also, we’re preventing you guys [editor’s note: Yes, he means the editors again] from doing anything in the main quest which is pretty prohibitive in that we use the main quest to send you out into parts of the world which intentionally run you past a lot of other things to do. So when we keep you from doing that, we keep you from going right past all this stuff that we lead you to in the main quest. We take you out to this part of the map that we know you are going to go this way and come across all this stuff here. And then we know you’re probably going to fast travel to here and then you’re going to do this and then you’re going to go to this point in the map... We’re kind of smart about using the map as the setting for different parts of the main quest and how you’re going to get there and what you’re going to uncover on the way. So preventing you from doing the main quest is also very limiting in terms of running you right past the other stuff there is for you to do out there.

Like in Megaton, there is like a good 5, 6, 7, 8 hours worth of quest stuff that you can get just like that from them. This lady’s putting together a wasteland survival guide... This lady wants you to go to Arefu [editor’s note: another settlement town in DC]. The next thing you know you’ve been playing the game for a long time, so it’s there.

Obviously, Oblivion was very well received and enjoys a very high metacritic score and this game is coming out soon. I guess you guys can make a decent call about whether or not it will improve upon Oblivion’s average?

I do have my opinions on that but will keep them to myself. I don’t have any doubts that on the whole and I think this is a belief universally shared on the team, that Fallout is a better game. But we’re also not oblivious to that fact that we have a lot of extra baggage that we’re carrying; being the guys that are picking up this franchise that are imagining it from 10 years ago and that there is something that comes along with that. We’re very well aware of what we’re up against. I have no doubts in my mind that I think at its core and for everything that it provides, Fallout is a better game than Oblivion was, for sure.

You talk about the hardcore PC gamers who played the first two, but this coming out on the Xbox and Playstation, for a lot of people it will be their first taste of Fallout. So does it really matter so much about those people who obsessed over the first two because so many more people are coming in to this fresh?

Well, you know ultimately, it’s up to everybody to make up their own mind whether or not Fallout is a game they want to play and whether or not it’s a game worth playing. And how good or not good it is. There is no one source in this world that I determine the falloutness of any game in this universe. No-one gets to do that. Everybody has to decide for themselves whether they... you know, I’ve had people sitting here saying “I have a friend who is a hardcore Fallout fan and he says what he remembers most about Fallout is X” and whatever he says ends up being slightly different or completely different from somebody else. Everybody takes something different away from every experience, so our thing is this... We’re going to make the best possible Fallout game we can. We believe it is a game that if you love the original Fallouts you will see lots of things here that will remind you of the previous Fallouts. If you’ve never played Fallout, there is a lot here to make you become a big fan of Fallout in this universe and vibe and kind of gameplay experience. But, we just get to make the game, we don’t get to make that call, on how good or not good it is. We just focus on what we’re doing and guys like you will decide if we’re right or not.

A big thanks to Pete Hines for such a fantastic interview. We look forward to Leipzig for our next hands on.




 
 

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Comment #1 by berserkerninja
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 10:10:58 PM
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Fallout is gonna be awesome 8D


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Comment #2 by StephenJ360
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 10:11:36 PM
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Oh yes, this is definitely gonna be the balls.


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Comment #3 by L1E
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 10:30:58 PM
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I'm excited.


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Comment #4 by CloseChief
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 10:48:44 PM
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can't wait!!!


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Comment #5 by rubberchicken69
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 10:51:23 PM
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cant wait to get it!! ahhh 8===B - - - -


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Comment #6 by laundryman
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 11:19:04 PM
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Sounds fantastic. Can't wait for it


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Comment #7 by plasticguitar
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 11:24:03 PM
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Fallout 3 will be the same incredible difference from the other two games that GTA3 was from the previous GTAs.


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Comment #8 by Chaosflare
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 11:25:54 PM
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Damn you, October! Hurry up and arrive already!!


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Comment #9 by Monkeymatt007
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 11:41:59 PM
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Fallout, Fable and Saints Row 2 all in the same month??? Hmmmmm...


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Comment #10 by narcolepticshee
Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 11:51:39 PM
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Looks amazing - RED OCTOBER STANDING BY

Peace


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Comment #11 by Chaosflare
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 12:40:21 AM
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@ 9:
Well, according to GameStop's listings, they're actually between a week to ten days apart (Fallout and Fable).


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Comment #12 by GatorXxX
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 01:34:55 AM
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i love mass effect and bioshock they are real games gears of war 2 and fallout 3 are gonna suck balls i hate gears the online sucks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is all


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Comment #13 by Chaosflare
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 03:16:15 AM
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@ 12:
But that doesn't explain why Fallout is "gonna suck balls".

Only downside, in my opinion, is that the auto target feature would get a bit repetitive. But even that can be controlled if you wanna give yourself a challenge.


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Comment #14 by blakhart
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 03:32:12 AM
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usually the as reason as to why someone would say the Gears online sucks is because their garbage and suck at games that actually requires a lttle skill, As for Fallout I cant wait its at the top of my list.


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Comment #15 by YanksForTheWin
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 05:15:12 AM
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This game is more of a shooter than a RPG, which is damn sad.


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Comment #16 by ArakTaiRoth
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 07:44:02 AM
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@15:
Sorry you feel that way man. They have made this game as much of an RPG as they can while keeping you immersed. It includes a levelling system, you can build your character up in multiple different ways. What you say affects what people think about you. A massive story with multiple endings. You can be either good or evil or neutral for that matter. Multiple pieces of equipment you can use.

begin_sarcasm
Yea I definitely see how this is more of a shooter then an RPG
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Comment #17 by Rutawitz
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 07:47:36 AM
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god damn, where am i going to find the money
and its an rpg and not more of a shooter, read the description and watch the videos, its going to be an rpg more than anything


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Comment #18 by paintinggrey
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 08:14:50 AM
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weak interview..walk in the park for pete hines!Same sort of interview as every bloody magazine and site

How about put some hard questions here for a change

@16 he is talking about how weak the RPG elements are!


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Comment #19 by paintinggrey
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 08:23:49 AM
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"Going back to the original Fallout, the view was looking down..." Isometric. lolz lolz lolz


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Comment #20 by paintinggrey
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 08:32:48 AM
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@17 as much as Oblivion? .Oblivion was an rpg more than anything too wasnt it? oh wait...


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Comment #21 by Rutawitz
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 09:42:51 AM
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@20
i have no idea what you are talking about, saying oblivion isnt an rpg or was barely an rpg is like saying bioshock had more rpg elements. if fallout is going to be more of a shooter than anything then this is going to be the most non-linear shooter ive ever played
and if the rpg elements are weak then so are the rpg elements in oblivion and morrowind and warcraft, unless you didnt actually research the game or played an rpg before then i dont know what your getting at because all the rpg elements are there


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Comment #22 by jackanape
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 11:12:42 AM
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paintinggrey, if you have nothing good to say then why say anything? You don't like the game - fine. Just stop slating it and claiming it is a shooter as it obviously isn't. Feel free to disagree but this and Halo are totally different games - FACT. Plus, seeing as you are such a damn good interviewer I'm sure you're in the employ of many fine magazines and websites, care to name them?


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Comment #23 by Louchavelli
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 12:49:40 PM
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@9,

Tell me about it. This Fall is going to being an expensive gaming month. Fallout, Fable, Silent Hill and a few other choice titles.

I better get cracking on that overtime at work.


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Comment #24 by paintinggrey
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 02:33:17 PM
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Jackanape, I am sorry i didnt know that criticism is not allowed here. Constructed criticism should be encouraged. Fair enough may have been a bit blunt, got pissed off. I am fallout fan from the beginning and and followed F3 since it was announced. I read every preview and interview out there and they ask the same bloody questions. This one is no different. Since Fallout 3 is a sequel "hence the 3", i find it shocking that the Hands on had no comparison between Fallout 3 and F1&F2. Is it really asking too much to get someone actually knows about fallout or played Fallout to do the interview & hands on? ad least know what isometric means?

I didnt say it was a shooter by the way. It looks more of a action adventure with rpg elements than anything else.

I was just saying that interviwe


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Comment #25 by knockton55
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 05:46:51 PM
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Cant wait for this game!


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Comment #26 by Webb [STAFF]
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 06:11:13 PM
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Paintinggrey - Stop getting stuck up on past games from different developers. Same franchise, new developers, give them a chance... I think you'll be surprised ;)


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Comment #27 by paintinggrey
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 08:11:58 PM
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i was commenting on the quality of the interview and hands on

I also ate all the hype on Oblivion and i was def surprised!Strong rpg my ass!so dont blame if i dont believe pete hines!


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Comment #28 by AlphaXGamerXDad
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 09:05:01 PM
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Comment #29 by AlphaXGamerXDad
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 09:31:07 PM
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Sorry for the double. My lappies touch pad is crap and I just erased my comment. DOH!! Don't know a thing about Fallout, but will buy it anyway. Bethesda know their stuff. Morrowind is the BEST RPG ever, and hopefully this can be almost as good. Oblivion got dumbed down to make it universally appealling, but it was still amazing. I've racked up over 200 hours in it, and still need to play Shivering. Differing opinions are a beautiful thing, so don't waste comment space arguing.


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Comment #30 by freeman2112
Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 09:47:49 PM
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cant wait to play fallout 3


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Comment #31 by Peace
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 @ 09:02:27 AM
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@19 - Speaking of differing opinions, Morrowind isn't the best rpg ever... Fallout is! Fallout FTW!!! I'm a bit nervous about not having an isometric 3/4 perspective and I think the scrapyard look for the weapons and armor are a bit off, but I also am encouraged by some other things that I've seen which I think are spot on in the music and atmosphere... No doubt that this will be a good game, but it might be better if you never played the original Fallout... Fargo et al are a hard act to follow!


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Comment #32 by paintinggrey
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 @ 12:48:25 PM
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They shouldnt have called it Fallout 3 period!Fallout -(Insert name) would have made a massive difference


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Comment #33 by JustCommunication
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 @ 01:23:07 PM
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@ Painting

Why should journalists have to put challenging questions to him?

He hasn't done anything wrong, he's not doing something morally questionable, he's not making our lives difficult in anyway...

The only thing he's done, is not made the game you and all the other Fallout-fan's wanted. That's it. And do you know what?

WE DON'T CARE!

He can do whatever the hell he wants to with the Fallout franchise, because it's his franchise now. The only thing guys like me and Webb care about is what exactly that means, and whether or not it will be good.

The only point you may have, is about the name. Since it's a new developer, with new ideas and a new take, then maybe calling it Fallout 3 wasn't needed. But then again look at KOTOR II - different developer, different ideas, b


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Comment #34 by Kuzarno Voza
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 @ 08:56:50 PM
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I have been a fan of the Fallout franchise since I played the demo of Fallout 1. I hotly anticipate the release of fallout 3 and refuse to make any assumptions about it until I have played it. I think that Bethesda should be commended for working on FO3 because if they had not then we would still be waiting for someone to do it rather than a Fall release date. Just be happy it's coming folks.


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Comment #35 by paintinggrey
Wednesday, August 06, 2008 @ 10:19:51 PM
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@Justcommunication
What should you put challeging questions? well i dont know, maybe be original for a chance not ask the same questions 100 sites have already asked?Maybe because they overly hyped oblivion so much that most of the stuff the said will do didnt?and as much as you guys may love oblivion,you can not deny the fact what they said before release date did not materialise in the game.You can not deny he Oblivion was simplified compared to Morrowind.

If hes not making the game for the fallout fans,who is he making the game for Oblivion fans?Casual gamers?

I wonder what would happen if Halo was bought by Rare?I am sure most of you would have something to say about that!

Anyway i talking mainly about the hands on. If you going to do a hands on about Fallout 3 except to com


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Comment #36 by jackanape
Thursday, August 07, 2008 @ 10:38:50 AM
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Constructive criticism is fine, but you are just slating the interview and the game without even having any prior experience of either. I've played previous Fallout games and they were never going to stick to the same formula as things have moved on significantly since those games were released. Not to mention the fact it's a totally different developer so why would they copy what had gone before? There is no point comparing thsi game with the other Fallout titles as the only similarities are elements of the story - simple as.


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Comment #37 by Tomafork XD FTW
Wednesday, January 04, 2012 @ 01:04:46 AM
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WRONG!!! I got every achievement(including all DLCs) in 1 playthru.


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