Report: Next Xbox Announcement Coming in May, Will Cost $500
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The next Xbox will be revealed by Microsoft on May 21st, according to multiple reports. And guess what? Those always-online rumours aren’t going away.

This latest news comes via Microsoft analyst and blogger Paul Thurrot, with confirmation coming via The Verge.

Apparently, the next Xbox (codenamed Durango) will be called simply “Xbox” and come with a hefty price tag of around $500. A different model, available with some form of subscription, will be go on sale for around $300, says Thurrot.

For the UK that translates to around £326 and £195, though historically price tags in that region are inflated somewhat.

"Durango is going to be expensive – you know $500, $300 for the subscription model, that kind of thing,” said Thurrot. 

“But you know, Blu-ray, blah blah blah, but the thing that interest me, going back and looking at some of the stuff I got a long time ago, it actually says 'must be internet-connected to use' in the notes. And that's all I have, but it does say that.

"Originally, they were going to announce this thing in April 24th, now they're going to announce it May 21st. We know there are events occurring this year where we're going to learn more about Durango.”

Pointing to a November release, Thurrot also challenged those that have lashed out at the console’s rumoured ‘always-online’ tech.

"So I think there's a lot information to come, but I look at all this stuff that I've seen about Durango and I think, 'it's all positive',” he said. “I don't really see any bad news here at all. Like to me, everything I've seen about this is really positive.

“It's amazing to me that, based on like no information at all, everyone is like freaking out about everything. Aside from this online thing, by the way, the number one question I've gotten from people is, 'What does it look like?' Who gives a shit what it looks like?

"I've actually heard from, by the way not one or two people, several people who've said, 'based on what I've seen, Sony is going to blow them away.' Based on what you've seen? You've seen nothing. What are you talking about? No, but you've seen literally nothing from Microsoft.”

While discussing the various models Microsoft will be releasing, Thurrot also suggested that backwards compatibility will not be supported.

"So the new Xbox that comes out this year will [called] just be the Xbox,” he said. “And I mentioned before they're also going to sell a new Xbox 360 code-named 'Stingray' that will be $99.

“And you might look at that as two things: backwards compatibility, obviously, suggesting – I don't actually know this for a fact, but based on the fact that they're making one – I don't think that the new Xbox will play 360 games. But that I don't actually know.

“But, the other one is that, $99, that's a real cool price. And so we know that the Xbox 360 does Netflix, Hulu Plus, yada yada yada, and you can make the argument that's kind of a low cost entertainment device, too.”


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Comment #1 by ATOMICKILA3000
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:00:54 AM
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If Microsoft does this they will lose millions of sales. IDK why but the PS4 is looking kinda good now lol.

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Comment #2 by SpartanMikeF37
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:01:00 AM
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If MS want the new Xbox to sell and make a good profit, then they need to drop the 'always online' crap, especially considering that we'll be expected to spend $500 on a device that will become a useless brick without an Internet connection.

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Comment #3 by BiggD
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:01:26 AM
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$500....?!? All I want is a simple gaming console with Netflix. Not some super-over-the-top entertainment system!

And the new Xbox better play my 360 games, or Microsoft just lost a loyal customer.

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Comment #4 by Stealth David
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:05:21 AM
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Still getting the next Xbox

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Comment #5 by Zero fox fk
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:06:58 AM
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I give a shit what it looks like! I want something that looks sexy :)

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Comment #6 by Craphex
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:07:04 AM
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Lol stop posting rumors and just wait :P there's too many floating around!
Concentrate on whats happening now with the 360 news and wait till an official statement happens.

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Comment #7 by Alphawolf196
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:08:41 AM
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3 things I want with this
1. Able to play Xbox 360 games
2. Being able to transfer my profile to it. I don't wanna lose my gamerscore.

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Comment #8 by DakotaThrice
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:09:53 AM
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Confirmation of a rumour is not confirmation its fucking gossip

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Comment #9 by Manicmonkey85
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:10:29 AM
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This is sounding more and more disappointing as small details are "confirmed". Always online is a bad idea, far too many people have not got access to the internet or a stable Internet connection which renders the Xbox useless. The price tag is much higher than PS4 will be and adding the Xbox live subscription on to that as well makes it even more money. I'm not interested in Kinect and if that's MS main selling point then they're screwed.

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Comment #10 by xLfcStevEx
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:10:52 AM
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All im after from the new Xbox is Backwards Compatibilty, a reasonable price tag and for MS to drop the idea of Always Online then you have the perfect console.

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Comment #11 by MASS DOMINATION
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:11:35 AM
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so much great news about this next xbox leaking out lol. Always online, $500...what's next? No used games, less indie support and higher xbl gold price? As it stands now, microsoft is pushing pretty hard for me to go with the PS4. And with no official announcement until just a few weeks before E3 these bad rumors are just gonna be left hanging for people to pick at.

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Comment #12 by FatalFlaw810
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:13:41 AM
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@3: While this is just a rumor, why are you so surprised by the price tag? I think it will be $400 but $500 wouldn't be surprising either.

As for this rumor about always online, we'll see what happens. My next question is if it will be backwards compatible (which I have a feeling it will be with 360) and if I can transfer my data from my 360 over to this new xbox. It sucks we have to say till late May because I can see them doing what Sony did and just showing a tease of it and waiting till E3 for the full reveal. Either way I'll probably be waiting for this next gen, I have plenty to play on 360 as it is.

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Comment #13 by SeraphTC
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:14:05 AM
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Can we not give the rumour mill a rest and just focus on actual news?

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Comment #14 by The Pants Party [STAFF]
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:14:37 AM
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All of you will bitch now and still buy it, don't lie to yourselves.

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Comment #15 by FatalFlaw810
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:15:03 AM
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@9: I can't comment on people who don't have internet BUT those with unstable connections, I remember reading that the xbox will be able to tolerate that so they will be able to play. That's if all this rumors are true, only time will tell though.

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Comment #16 by Mittens2317
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:15:13 AM
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"I've actually heard from, by the way not one or two people, several people who've said, 'based on what I've seen, Sony is going to blow them away.' Based on what you've seen? You've seen nothing. What are you talking about? No, but you've seen literally nothing from Microsoft.”

It's based on the "always online" bullshit. It's based on the tremendous amount of support Sony are promising indie developers. It's based on the "back to basics" approach they're taking.

Microsoft, you're not offering much in the way of exclusives. Shooters. Not everyone likes shooters. Kinect 2.0 I'm looking forward to in order to utilise it for a cheap method of motion capture - not for playing games.

No, it isn't right that we're basing a lot of our opinions on yet-to-be-confirmed rumours, but a little re-assurance never hurt anyone.

You need to remember that the SEGA vs Nintendo days are gone, we're not kids anymore, which means we're not loyal to one company. We want the best value for money, and Sony are promising a lot of that at the moment.

The ball's in your court. Prove us wrong. Get us to come crawling back. Don't punish people who have to buy PAYG internet dongles or simply can't afford it.

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Comment #17 by ZzZCrossyZzZ
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:15:15 AM
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'must be internet-connected to use' - All this 'must be online' crap may just be the console has to have connected to the internet when it's first ever used, so it registers the console etc, after that it can be used how you want. Fingers crossed it's something like that, if not the Microsoft are excluding a lot of customers

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Comment #18 by gameseeker15
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:15:18 AM
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Guess we'll see what happens on the 21st. Some obvious hopes with the online stuff, but eh we'll see. Whoever plays their cards best this year will be my first console buy. I imagine if the always online stays there could be quite a disturbance with that.

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Comment #19 by Lothra
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:17:00 AM
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Always on = me always buy a PS4

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Comment #20 by Cobr4ce
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:17:03 AM
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I presume we in the UK will just get a £ sign in front of the 500...instead of the @ £325.00 it should be - which by the way seems a pretty decent price.

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Comment #21 by Mittens2317
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:19:04 AM
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@14: That depends on how it turns out. If it's always-online, then no, it wouldn't be value for money. That means I wouldn't be able to take it with me when I get dragged along to the in-laws for the weekend. It'd mean that when the internet fucks up (we've all had to do that off/on/wait a minute thing), gameplay's interrupted, possibly even sent back to the dashboard.

I will buy the console that gives me what I want, and I won't be buying a single one until it has a decent enough library built up and I can make an educated purchase.

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Comment #22 by H0p3sfalL
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:19:11 AM
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I wonder how many people will ignore this and still freak out.

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Comment #23 by Obi-Brown
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:19:40 AM
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I wish we'd get a real announcement soon, I'm sick of rumours and teases, I want to know what those idiots are doing. But it's looking more likely I'll simply stick with my 360 for a while, play what I missed, maybe pickup a PS3 cheap and try the exclusives I missed

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Comment #24 by asTroLoGiCaL
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:22:07 AM
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Man I hope these rumors about always on aren't true, I have vested so much time into my GT and im sorry but I just won't buy it if it really does require you to always be online to play. PS4 is winning at the moment.

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Comment #25 by StiffyScotland
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:23:02 AM
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the rural parts of Scotland, have poor connection at times, some of them don't even have broadband, only dial up so internet play is impossible for them, but the ones who have Broadband are always being disconnected, as lines the phones line are being cut one way or another, and at times the lines don't get sorted for a few days to a few weeks. so that would mean no play for them.

Take my friend in 2011, a week before BF3 got released, a neighbor was having a BBQ and somehow set the garage alight , this burnt down the phone cable leading from the telegraph pole to a number of homes.... it took BT 2 months to replace the line for him play the xbox online again.. he had no phone, no internet, no nothing for those 2 months, and that was in a populated area and not a rural area as we live not far from glasgow.

so if this always online is true, PS4.. here i come.. but i will wait till the new xbox has been revealed before i make my decision.

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Comment #26 by Artemis
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:23:02 AM
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Don't even have internet excepts when at the gas station :(

I always wanted try PC gaming...

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Comment #27 by MattCannell91
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:24:27 AM
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I don't see why, seeing as they're leaving it till mid-May, they don't just wait til E3, show everything off, and blow Sony out of the water!

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Comment #28 by exception360
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:26:25 AM
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Only thing that came to minds was that this article if full of "i've heard" and "i think"...


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Comment #29 by the action frampton
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:26:54 AM
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@14 right, OK. Personally, all I can say is that if it requires 'always online' to use the bloody thing, I will not get it. The Internet in my area is just not reliable enough (regardless of provider) to warrant the purchase.

Was playing my xbox on Friday night and was unable to connect for more than 5 minutes at a time, if that.

I know these are only rumours, but its just sounding worse and worse with everyone.

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Comment #30 by resevil239
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:28:20 AM
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so always online is looking to be more and more likely...That narrows my choice down to PS4 or PC.

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Comment #31 by n33njah
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:30:01 AM
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kinda gotta disagree pants. I wont buy it because I might not always be in the living circumstances that I am right now where I am fortunate to have internet unlike 75% of my friends. My two cents is that if it is online always on only i'm through I will bail and build a gaming pc or a ps4 that simple because I live in a rural area where true high speed access is not consistent or a giving unless you are just blessed in a good spot. So yeah keep saying we will be sheep and MS can think it I suppose we have to prove we arent by speaking with our wallets.

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Comment #32 by Terrin
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:30:01 AM
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They could have easily delayed the april announcement to take the always online out of it... but pricing sounds about right if they give what we are expecting for specs

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Comment #33 by SolarFury
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:30:15 AM
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Is it me, or is it when he touches upon the subject about this always-online thing and the reaction it has received thus far ("Sony is going to blow them away"), it feels like it's a little sore for these Microsoft guys?

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Comment #34 by SteaL K1LL
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:30:19 AM
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First it is always online which is bad for many people and now no backward compatible? Backward compatible is a must its so lame if its gonna be that way I'm sticking to my 360 and not buying this bullshit next gen

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Comment #35 by DeadMan634
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:31:29 AM
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I think I'll stick to my Xbox 360.. No thanks Microsoft.. I love the 360 just the way it is....

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Comment #36 by Infomouse
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:32:34 AM
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Yo Microsoft, why you want to give my money to Sony?

In the immortal words of Lord Sterling: "Microsoft, shut up and earn my money!"

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Comment #37 by Hudson888
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:35:46 AM
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Whilst always online doesnt effect me. I think its a bad move, and will lessen their sales.
How much was the 360 when it first released? I think I paid around £300+ for it? So the price isnt much of a surprise to me really.

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Comment #38 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:35:47 AM
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Well... no.

All these rumors poit towards the main things I did not want from next Gen.

Multimedia (I only care for games and Netflix)

All-Ways online (while it does not effect me refuse to support someoone who would say F.U to so many customers)

Kinect 2.0 (while no in this perticular rumor, there has benn rumors in the past that Kinect will heavily be focused on)

Inflated price tag over PS4 (speaks for itself)

Also Kinect focus is a major no, not only because i don't want it but because, my Xbox is set up in the spare room, which is small, and the TV in there has buttons on top of it any way so i can't set it up properly anyway.

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Comment #39 by Hudson888
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:37:27 AM
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When/if they do annouce the 'always online' thing at E3. I think the whole room should boo... that would be funny.

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Comment #40 by demonmana
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:44:34 AM
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sure go right ahead microsoft your not only shooting yourself in the foot but putting a bullet in your own brain to. Way to Go.

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Comment #41 by GaryYEAH
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:45:43 AM
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I've never been more serious in regards to deciding which console to buy in my entire life, so hear me when I say this:

I have been a loyal Xbox 360 user for over five years; I have pumped tens of thousands of hours worth of gaming into that one console; I have spent thousands of pounds on games and accessories for that same console; and I haven't given a single shit about the PS3 for any of those five years.

If these rumours turn out to be true, I will be jumping ship to the PlayStation 4 without a second thought. The only thing keeping me tied to the Xbox brand is Halo, and I can honestly live without that if it means actually being able to play my games in the way *I* want to, as opposed to being a prisoner of war because Micro$oft want complete and utter control over our lives.

Gears of War and Forza? FUCK OFF! A milked third-person shooter and good-looking car racing series? WooooOoOoOoOoOoOOooOooOowwwwwwWWWWWwww, that's TOTALLY going to convince me to stay.

They can get well and truly fucked. But, of course, I'm just a couple of thousands of pounds out of their billions, so they couldn't possibly give a single shit about me, right? Right.

Your call, Micro$oft. Your call...


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Comment #42 by LFxFEARNSxLF
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:46:09 AM
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Oh yeah, because the "always online" worked for sims city...

Good luck microsoft

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Comment #43 by ICGMU12321
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:48:43 AM
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@39, yeah, and then they should all stand up and leave the press conference. Then MS would know they messed up big time.

I can't believe that they think that people want to buy something that is just a $500 paperweight if their internet connection acts up. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not loyal costumer to any of the big 3, I just purchase what I think is the best, I got a Gamecube last gen, and an Xbox 360 this gen, maybe I'll go with a PS4 next gen. I can live without Halo and Gears of War, Sony has a lot more IPs to keep me occupied. I even got a WiiU since some of the features enticed me and I didn't think I'd ever get another Nintendo console after what they did with the Wii.

I have a pretty stable connection at my place so its not a huge issue, but I'm still not too keen on the fact of what COULD happen. Idk, maybe MS will change their subscription plan to and let everyone play for free online this gen, I doubt it, but if that were the case that could be enough to sway my decision.

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Comment #44 by Iconoclast Envy
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:49:46 AM
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@14 That's what i'm saying. people still going to buy it. lol

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Comment #45 by three15
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:52:01 AM
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This might be the first time in 20 years i don't buy a launch day console. Fed up with M$ treating gamers like their own personal wallet. Always online and no pre-owned means no money from me.

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Comment #46 by Agent Mantis
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:52:48 AM
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M$ could end all these rumours if they just announced something, there's a lot of negative feeling building for the new console already. It feels like sony caught them napping by announcing early.

If they are not in a poistion to release info on the new console is the xmas window going to see a repeat of the 360's rush job consoles that broke almost instantly.

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Comment #47 by oDEADDOGo
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:55:03 AM
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I'm going to stay with my 360. The new Xbox will end up the next Dreamcast.

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Comment #48 by GaryYEAH
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:55:18 AM
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Wow, I've never seen a member of x360a staff get voted down before, but you deserve all those thumbs down, Pants Party. Many of us are DEADLY serious about jumping ship to the PS4 or getting a gaming PC if these rumours (and yes, I understand that they are RUMOURS, but the article itself suggests that they're being taken as fact) turn out to be true.

I will defend the Xbox 360 to the death, but if the new console really does come with all of this bullshit 'Always Online' bullshit, then they have officially lost me as a customer, I am telling you now.

If, however, none of this stuff comes to fruition and it's an awesome console minus the control-whoring bullshit, we'll all be very, very happy.

Don't underestimate your community, dude. That's just insulting.


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Comment #49 by Craphex
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:56:14 AM
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I'll be glad once the event happens, Microsoft reveal an amazing console, all rumors being false and everyone being happy from that day forward. Only a month left of ignoring everyone till then!

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Comment #50 by Stormy2k
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:57:14 AM
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I'm connected to XBL every time I play any game so Always Online isn't an issue for me, but the PS4 may seem more appealing to others with a bad connection or ISP...

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Comment #51 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:57:21 AM
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I know i sure as hell won't, if any of these rumors are true.

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Comment #52 by kgould01
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:59:59 AM
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i am not getting the new xbox right away. the 360 is gonna be around for a while. they are gonna be making games for atleast another year. plus there are other current games that will be active.

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Comment #53 by DarnedCargo
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:01:44 AM
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Bungie no longer make Halo and Destiny is multi-platform so i'm on the bench with this one?

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Comment #54 by Stormy2k
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:02:26 AM
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Erm, why do people keep going on about Sim City and Diablo III's always online issues... That's a server problem on the Devs end...

Any fault from 'Always Online' on the Durango will be because of your ISP's not servers for Sim City or Diablo III, get a grip.

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Comment #55 by NMANOZ
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:04:25 AM
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Pants Party is afraid that there will be no one left using this site in the future.

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Comment #56 by n1ck3sixty
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:05:48 AM
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@3 Seriously? $500USD will be at least $700AUD after the necessary 'taxes' are applied. The PS4 is listed at $899AUD, so $500 is cheap as chips.

OT: Stop with the rumors. Although it might seem like news, until Microsoft has their press conference, or a legitimate spokesperson releases information, please stop getting my hopes up/putting me off.

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Comment #57 by Durdens Wrath
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:06:25 AM
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@54 you ninny.

It will work the same. Xbox live down, your console will be a brick.

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Comment #58 by Nitnoid
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:07:14 AM
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I just built a PC that will blow away the Xbox720 from everything I've read about it so far...

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Comment #59 by Stormy2k
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:07:50 AM
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@57. Man I didn't think about that, another good shout!

That's a bit more food for thought!

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Comment #60 by conel33
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:09:20 AM
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Why do people care about backwards compatibility? Surely if you're on this website you own an Xbox 360.

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Comment #61 by killjoy30025
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:11:16 AM
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Currently I am not seeing anything that would make me jump to Next Gen on day one. The "Xbox" being always online is off putting and I dislike the PS4 controller, but I will wait for an official announcement from Microsoft... good thing there are plenty of games I have yet to play/complete on the Xbox 360 and I have heard a rumour that you can game on a PC.

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Comment #62 by xNUKEx
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:13:30 AM
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“It's amazing to me that, based on like no information at all, everyone is like freaking out about everything".

this guys a blogger he sounds like a teenage girl.

OT= ALWAYS ONLINE.... bye achievements its been fun but no sale.

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Comment #63 by Darkforce412
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:13:48 AM
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wouldnt the holidays be a better month to sell a new system?

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Comment #64 by Primate
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:14:02 AM
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If this proves to be true then I will hold off and see what sort of consumer backlash (if any) there is and how Microsoft handles it. I have a massive backlog to keep me busy until the dust settles and prices drop before deciding which way to go next gen.

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Comment #65 by Homaz
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:14:41 AM
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21th Mai is a pretty senseless date. It would be smarter to bash Sony out at E3 directly, but I think we're gonna see Usher's Dancing again...

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Comment #66 by John Januarius
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:14:44 AM
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Could always online maybe mean that your profile is always online? As in no more Xbox Live subscription?

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Comment #67 by GaryYEAH
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:15:19 AM
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That isn't the point, though. The point is that if, for example, people live in 'bad internet' areas, and their connection drops at regular intervals because of said bad internet, etc., they won't even be able to play single-player games because the console will HAVE to be connected to the internet for absolutely no logical reason (unless, of course, they're going to come out with something absolutely MINDBLOWINGLY awesome that'll make it all make sense, but I think we all know that isn't going to be the case.)

What if Xbox LIVE or, fuck forbid, the player's internet goes down and they can't get it fixed for a week? They won't even be able to partake in the last resort and play a single-player game, and all because the console isn't connected to the internet. I'm telling you, the day we have to be connected to the internet to play offline games will be a sad day in the history of video games.

What if they don't even have an internet connection whatsoever? They're fucked. Completely fucked. That console will be a shiny brick. Nothing more.

Those imbeciles at Micro$oft aren't like we are. They aren't savvy with the goings-on; the aren't excited by video games; they don't work in favour of the player's best interests - they're just there to make orders and take the money. They're old businessmen stuck in the 80's. They need people like us behind their doors, but, alas, we aren't businessmen, so, of course, that's never going to happen.



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Comment #68 by wes coas 4 life
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:16:41 AM
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I also want to know what it fucken looks like.

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Comment #69 by Lazy_FAQer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:18:04 AM
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I 'like' the way in the article he says, regarding always online;

“It's amazing to me that, based on like no information at all, everyone is like freaking out about everything."

Yet do nothing to alay our fears... If my customers were freaking out about some new negatively impacting procedure that it was rumpoured that I were about to implement, then I would instantly come out & dismiss it, unless it were true;

Therefore either;

- it is true & they ain't got the balls to tell us (or are making us wait until E3/... cos they can).

- It is not true but don't have the nowse to realise that releasing this info will help raise the profile new Xbox amongst the userbases.

I believe it will be alwyas online, as they can't be stupid enough to let these damaging rumours persist for so long if they are false.

& whilst I dislike being dictated to when it comes to my hobbies & free time, I agree with #14... I will get one either way... addicts will take any hit they can get!

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Comment #70 by GaryYEAH
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:18:13 AM
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That would be ideal. It really would.

*fingers crossed*


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Comment #71 by iBuzz7S
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:18:55 AM
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Goodbye all. The more of you leave, more of a chance I have of getting a console, games and accessories without worrying whether it is in stock or not.


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Comment #72 by ash356
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:21:10 AM
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Well, I guess the only interest I now have in the net Xbox is in it's advertising. Really interested to see if they'll ensure the average consumer knows about this bullcrap, else I smell lawsuits...

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Comment #73 by Wolf825
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:25:38 AM
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I couldn't care less if it literally looks like elephant turd.

I have been a Microsoft supporter since Day One, but if the rumors are true about no backwards compatibility and always online, MS and I will part ways and they can truly go fuck off.

My backlog is about 100 games. I can wait until the next-next gen after they've learned their lesson.

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Comment #74 by ICGMU12321
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:27:10 AM
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@72, you can't sue someone because you were too stupid to know that you need the internet for it to work. Thats like suing your phone carrier because you were too stupid to know that you needed to pay an extra data fee for the thing to work.

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Comment #75 by Kivlov
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:27:17 AM
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All seriousness we will NOT buy it if the rumours are true and to that extreme level, but obviously it could be taken out of context, for example needing to connect once a week to the net in order to check for updates otherwise will not function and possibly not kicking you off your game if your net goes out? Who knows.

Pretty stupid its just called Xbox. I never call it that, I just say 360, so I will have to just call it lamebox from now on or something.

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Comment #76 by Shadow Phant0m
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:27:23 AM
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He doesn't think the new xbox will be able 2 play 360 games thats bull of course he knows he only says that so people will buy the new xbox hoping that its possible 2 play the old games on the new console but in the end not being possible, Also its true we havent seen anything about the new xbox but we know what 2 expect already. And it disgusts me that they are trying to redeem adam orth's comments.

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Comment #77 by DecadentBeaver
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:27:49 AM
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Looks like a lot of people plan on jumping ship if all these rumours do indeed turn out to be true. I will stay with my 360, as I just don't have the money. If I do buy a next gen console, I plan to go back to Sony. Was always Sony until this gen. But the 360 is my favourite console to date.

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Comment #78 by ScottHarris
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:27:50 AM
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Here's my problem if it doesn't have backwards compatibility. What if we continue to use our profiles on our 360's to play our 360 games and then they shut down all the 360 online features, how will we be able to transfer our updated profiles ? Say if i get my gamerscore up to 100,000 but they shut down their online features when i get 90,000 how would i be able to transfer my 100,000 gamerscore profile ? The answer is i wouldn't, they would have no way of knowing i already have a 100,000 gamerscore if i can't get online.

I will wait until everything is officially announced but it's hard to ignore the same rumours that keep popping up every other day.

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Comment #79 by Earth Djinn
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:29:47 AM
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I absolutely believe that the next Xbox is being designed around the idea of it always being online. It'll have a much stronger social integration that this gen, and tie in things like recommendations and your friends list into virtually every aspect of the console.

However, I really can't see them making a console that can literally only be used, in any capacity, when connected to the internet. It will have hugely limited functionality when offline, based on my assumptions about the level on online integration that the new dashboard will see, but I don't think it'll be literally useless without internet.

Everyone knows that the internet goes down sometimes, and even Xbox live needs maintenance every so often. They aren't gonna release a console that only works online, and then tell people that it'll be down for 12-24 hours (and thus completely useless) while the Xbox Live servers undergo maintenance.

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Comment #80 by Chuppernicus
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:33:19 AM
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Yeah let's beat this always on dead horse rumor some more. Even after the reveal the bitching will continue.

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Comment #81 by Wehttam
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:35:18 AM
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This Thurrot guy's writing style is atrocious

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Comment #82 by wyliecoyote1973
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:36:50 AM
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Simply shakes his head in disbelief, if any of this rumour mill is true then MS has fucked up big time, if they really think it wont affect them then they are all senial. I just want an upgraded xbox to PLAY games. I want MY Gamertag & Score to transfer over!I want backward compatibility. I DONT want always online, I DONT want to be Forced to have kinnect, I DONT want always Online, I Dont want Netflix,Lovefilm Blah Blah Blah. I Just want to play games whenever i like online or off..It you cannot do that at a resonable price then forget it.Seriously MS you need to START reading these forums & take some notice otherwise its gunna come & bite you on the arse & everyone will just turn round & say serves yourself right "We told you so"

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Comment #83 by RDrules
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:42:05 AM
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@14 i wont, i have never bought a single game that requires you to always be online and i wont start at a fucking console that costs $500 (going off whats in this article)

and i dont see any evidence that others will either... some of course are stupid and would just because its MS but if anything the fact the 360 sold so much better than the ps3 proves people wont put up with this on mass because for the previous 2 generations sony were king

there i 0 benefit for the customer in being always online and there is no plausible argument otherwise, sure some features would require a connection as they do now and as they do on pretty much every other piece of tech at this time but there is no reason we shouldnt be able to at very least play games without it

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Comment #84 by Snowman93
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:44:36 AM
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i personally have kick ass reliable internet connection but i can see why people are jumping over ps4 for this always online shit i wish i can move my profile and gamerscore to new xbox

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Comment #85 by quaneylfc
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:45:45 AM
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there is no applicable information at this time, but that isn't a good thing, its past the first quarter and there is no solid info on a console that has a rival with more than a satisfactory amount, this is not Microsoft biding their time to get people excited, this is them delaying the release so they can make the Xbox the same/ better in a hurry, by introducing new tech that doesn't belong and that is not a good thing, why not meet with Sony game wise, pounce on the games that are not exclusive for the time being e.g. "watch dogs will be available for Xbox." that is a good taster that will keep people at bay for a month or two.

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Comment #86 by Ereaser NL
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:46:38 AM
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Paul isn't really a great analyst imo! What analyst would use yada yada yada!? o_0

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Comment #87 by davhuit
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:47:11 AM
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@7 : For me, no-online required and backwards compatibility for XBLA games would be enough (would be good to be able to play 360 games, but that'll definitively probably not be the case.

If those two things are not done, I might better buy a new PC (though this one make the last game works in 720p without problem), put it under my TV, and play on it with a 360 controller and connected to my TV (every TV now have a VGA connection, and near every graphic card now offer an HDMI output).

Better graphics, better prices, and cost the same that the new xbox/ps4 (and offer all the streamings/videos play abilities you want).

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Comment #88 by DarnedCargo
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:48:27 AM
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Bungie no longer make Halo and Destiny is multi-platform so i'm on the bench with this one?

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Comment #89 by xD Rick
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:51:15 AM
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We can always hope the piracy takes down this hole "always online" bullshit!!!

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Comment #90 by Drias
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:51:22 AM
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This whole thing is stupid. What I REALLY want to know is why they moved the reveal back a month. They were going to reveal it and announce small things about it at the end of this month, but they moved it a month. Why? What could they possibly be doing.

PS4 looking pretty good microsoft. Especially with D3? Maybe Blizzard will even re-do Diablo 2 for an PSN release like so many other company's have been doing with their games. (Crysis 1, DMC Collection, MGS Collection, Sega Vintage collections...)

If that happens, and the 360 and nextBox don't get these, I'm going to PS4 strictly for D2. (If it happens)

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Comment #91 by UltimateAuron32
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:53:46 AM
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bye bye xbox, i can NOT have an always-on DRM console, not where i live the connection just isnt strong enough to support it yet.

So, er, Sony when is your console coming out?

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Comment #92 by ZedChuva
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:55:12 AM
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All 100% all for the "always online" model. Why? Cause then I won't toss $500 away on a new console. Always online and no used games = a 100% NEVER get for me.

As for all the "I'm going PS4!" talk. Wait... just wait. M$ will go online only and Sony will as well. It might not be out of the gate, but if it works for M$, then they'll adopt the model as well citing some bullshit.

This current gen is the last gen I'm dealing with. GTA5 will be the last video game I buy. I'm done. Too much greed, too much attitude and too much bullshit. Just not worth it any more. Games are $60 right now, and rumored to be $70+ on next gen, for what? 6hrs of campaign, that's slowly getting worse and worse cause all devs care about is MP? Yea, it's an easy choice. I'm done after this gen. Just thinking about the money I'll be saving is a nice thought.

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Comment #93 by UKHC1977
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:55:35 AM
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Id be interested to see what Microsofts reply is to phone companies doing traffic profiling. Two years ago i had my intenet with Tiscali in the UK. For no reason and overnight my line was subjected to trafic profiling which mean't i couldn't even get on XBLA or PSN between the hours of 5.30 pm till 2 in the morning. Despite repeated complaints Tiscali said they wern't doing this. It took me cancelling my direct debit to get them to admit they were and even then after three weeks or nroal service they did it again.

Today ive got the situation of the area i live in despite being four miles outside of Nottingham city centre having an out of date exchange which BT ware unwilling to updgrade. My net speeds are terrible and im constantly getting disconected. Even Sky my net providers can't do anything about it and there hundreds of people asking for the exchange to be upgraded.

So Microsoft if your machine is always online abover are two very good reasons why i won't be buying it and i would love to hear you reply to that. Dealwithit#

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Comment #94 by CALIBORS
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:59:20 AM
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BLEH, ignores more rumors.

ppl forget that the wii was technically an always online console. most wii owners got excited waking up to seeing a flashing blue light on the drive...which normally meant nothing exciting at all.

releasing a console that HAS to be connected to the internet is guaranteed less sales, xbox 360 tried to target every audience they are not going to follow that by making something that excludes potential sales, pure and simple.if they do they do, no point in worrying or speculating until its physically out.

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Comment #95 by Lord Dirt
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:04:03 AM
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This "console war" going on is amazing. Sony releases a controller and talks about what the PS4 will do without showing anything really and people buy into it and love it and say nothing can beat their "ghost machine"

Now rumors are floating around the next Xbox and people are destroying it without seeing it as well.

Seems you dont actually need a console to win this year, just talk a bigger game and slam your opponent. Just like politics now.

Hey guys, I have a console coming out too!! Let me give you the specs and you can drool all over them.

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Comment #96 by MisfitVoodoo
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:15:33 AM
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Comment #97 by I ARKLIGHT I
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:17:00 AM
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No playing my XBOX360 games
Always Online

That doesn't sound good.

Will it at least transfert my profile AND my bought Arcade Games?

Since it doesn't play 360 games... Does it means that all my DLCs and linked games (i.e. Dead rising 2 prequel and Add-on - same game mechanics as the parent game) don't work?

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Comment #98 by UKevin
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:20:20 AM
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I'll have optic fiber by the tine it comes out so I'm not really worried about the online crap but many, actually no, most ofy friends don't have good or even reliable internet connections. And I'm not getting a console I know my mates won't.

Doubt it'll happen though.

@the idiot talking about smartphones: you can still use your phone without a connection or when it's down.

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Comment #99 by donchuckyyy
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:23:01 AM
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They need backwards compatability

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Comment #100 by Kamira
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:23:44 AM
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Real original name, the "Xbox". Too bad that's exactly what the original console was called.

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Comment #101 by 1000 kittens
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:29:17 AM
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@14 Wow Pants, just wow. Out of all the people on this site, I expected you to talk the most sense. This sucks.

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Comment #102 by deluxnugs
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:30:47 AM
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Gta 5 is not being developed for next gen consoles the new console will not release this year..who is going to buy it if Gta 5 isnt on it? nobody.
fix the fuking site scanners already this is a dumb ass "report".

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Comment #103 by LGS I Hitman
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:35:13 AM
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If these RUMORS turn out to be true with an always online internet connection and that price tag I'll just get a ps3 and play all the games I missed out on and get a gaming PC.

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Comment #104 by TEAJUNKIES
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:35:46 AM
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I won't be getting new xbox if this is the case. I'm having financial problems at moment and my net has had to be cut off for a couple of week. So with this new 'always online' crap, if this were to happen again I would t be able to play my console at all! And with a high price tag, plus live subscription this is a no go for me. Sorry MS but this is a bad move!

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Comment #105 by D0ctorNick
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:35:49 AM
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While $500 isn't much to me, no chance in hell I'm dropping that plus money on games, etc. until its been out awhile. Hope most of these rumors are false Microsoft or you may be out of the console business soon.

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Comment #106 by DirtDiver31160
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:36:08 AM
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Alright, Larry Herb or somebody with credibility needs to come forward with some details. Plus, what is with the douchey rhetoric? First the idiot from Microsofts shoots himself in the foot on Twitter, and now this blogger basically just talks out of his ass. I want to hear someone talk intelligently about the next gen, not throw "like" in every other sentence.

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Comment #107 by matt schwindt
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:43:37 AM
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Word, why the hell does a human being talk like that? See I used "Like" properly. :)

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Comment #108 by Astrex
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:53:10 AM
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#14 lol @ Pants Party you got told you fuckin cunt!

Even I think he PS4 is looking good.

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Comment #109 by Ginormous76
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:03:09 AM
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It's obvious this Thurrot guy has no idea what customers want or are interested in.
It's been a good run Microsoft, I'm headed back to Sony. I'll probably hit 150k Gamerscore, and yes I'm willing to leave that to essentially start over. I kind of want to start over. I want to get back to playing games for fun, and starting over seems like a good idea.

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Comment #110 by Jalen94
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:08:54 AM
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Thats not cool....... I guess sony is my new company right now.....fine by me i wanted to play the last of us anyway

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Comment #111 by craft3maker
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:12:05 AM
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after hearing this i have a good idea of what the next xbox will look like.

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Comment #112 by Elite49
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:17:14 AM
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The people that still want a system with Backwards compatibility should just keep on moving. You didn't get over that with this gen? I was one who bitched up and down about it then I got over it, now I don't care. Save your old consoles because Always on is a tiny bit more important.

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Comment #113 by MOOGIE101
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:17:26 AM
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Still just rumours, no more.

I'll be looking to pick up a next gen when the prices drop & there's enough quality games to justify the upgrade, likely end of 2014/ start of 2015.

By then I'll know the facts & can make a decision.
Not that bothered about backward compatibility if honest, I'll have my 360 still for that, and if I've got a next gen I'd imagine my focus will be on that!

The only sticking point for me is if a constant internet connection is required as mine drops out throughout the day.

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Comment #114 by Crimson Ridley
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:17:52 AM
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The way he's talking indicates he knows fuck all about what he is saying. He sounds like he's making it up as he goes along, similar to a regular person on Facebook trying to pretend they know all the facts.

These rumours are really annoying now, because the internet is just fuelling the 'always on' thing, meaning that EVERY SINGLE rumour about the new console continues to report that it's true, it's happening, and there's nothing we can do about it.

No, just no. No! There's something we can do; stop going on about it, let the announcement come so that we can see exactly what the console has in store, and decide then if we're going to buy it or jump ship.

It's going to be expensive? Of course it is, the 360 was, the PS2 was, the PS1 was, as was the SNES. Games used to be just as expensive as they are now. Prices get cut, sales happen. Nothing stays at RRP for long, and eventually the console will drop £100. In this day and age, it will sooner rather than later. High price points are not selling these days. The Vita was too expensive, and the 3DS had a price cut very, very quickly.

I don't want to believe that my crappy internet connection may play a vital role in my gaming, but until I know the facts, I'm going to continue to stand firm and say that Microsoft hopefully aren't that fucking stupid.

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Comment #115 by valiant
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:19:46 AM
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REALLY!!! now thats a kick in the balls i prefer my 360 over my ps3 but damn my internet connection aint the best so i think im going to get a ps4 not an expensive paper weight thanks microsoft

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Comment #116 by thereefernander
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:19:53 AM
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Backwards compatibility is like a no-brainer! Why would you NOT include it?!?!

Definitely should be able to transfer and keep your same gamertag, Gamerscore.
And another reason why they need backwards compatibility; I bought ALL of these arcade games and ALL of this DLC, now it's useless on the new console.
How about, just don't make a new console.

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Comment #117 by Vindicator51
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:20:48 AM
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Well, i won't be getting it if it needs to stay online. Hopefully people aren't sheep, so they can send MS a message. I'll just be going back to the PC instead, because the idea of consoles aren't looking too promising.

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Comment #118 by DragonessAthena
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:25:32 AM
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Give it up with the "PS4 is looking so good" talk. It's not. I said it before, Sony is forcing all developers to ensure every PS4 game can be downloaded to the Vita, and developers aren't going to want to do that. They're going to want to finish a game as quickly as possible for every available platform, so while the PC and next Xbox versions will be quick and easy, the PS4 will take extra time, and just look at the Wii U, none of the developers are happy with having to add tablet integration, specially since it normally gets passed to another company for porting.

So no, the PS4 won't succeed, and frankly, the way things are looking, neither will the next Xbox. The only thing I see is the console market taking a giant hit and no one coming out ahead.

And for the record, I don't care about "always on". My 360 is always online, I don't see any point in playing when it's offline.

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Comment #119 by LateralusDSOTM
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:34:11 AM
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Let's be honest, Microsoft aren't gonna read these messages or listen to customer input, they have made up their mind and will do whatever they want to make money. Because that's what it is and always will be, a business.

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Comment #120 by Benmahalf X
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:35:13 AM
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@23 That's EXACTLY where I am right now! Finish everything I want in this generation and by that time all the systems will be out and can be compared properly. Give us real news already.

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Comment #121 by RDrules
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:40:33 AM
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@98 ive had fibre optic broadband for years and trust me its no guarantee of reliability

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Comment #122 by Wing X Custom
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:41:34 AM
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I don't mind always online, as long as I have an offline option to play my games if need be, without them kicking me off a game I paid for. If its true, Microsoft will have shot themselves in the foot for being too cocky. They must be high, coming off sales of the 360. Just because they think Xbox is a house hold name now? That doesnt mean shit. SEGA used to be a household name. Do they really think they can push whatever shit the please and we will just shut up and buy it up like sheep without say? You never cross your customers. Were a fickle lot. And $500 for extra features and integrated kinect that I have to pay for? Screw that. If this is true ill get a PS4 1st.

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Comment #123 by l.maciver
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:45:25 AM
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when the new xbox goes to E3, i want them to say always online and just to hear the crowd chant you suck.

#118 "And for the record, I don't care about "always on". My 360 is always online, I don't see any point in playing when it's offline."

Connection failures, microsoft downtime, house decorations ect, if the rumours are true then the console will just shut down leaving us with a brick.

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Comment #124 by ChArG1nMaLAZ0R
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:52:28 AM
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whats up with a staff member trolling a comments section. great staff

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Comment #125 by beezelBug
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:56:15 AM
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I'll wait for the announcement in May before I take anything as a given. Pretty sure I'll stick with the xbox though

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Comment #126 by UrdnotCasper
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:56:53 AM
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@41.. Gears is milked? Lmfaoooooo really? Compared to halo that has 8 games( halo 5 & 6 onlys ones not out) and gears that just received its 4th installment. Loyal fan my ass

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Comment #127 by MastrMeatWad
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:57:46 AM
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The title is a tad misleading, no? "REPORT" makes it sound too official when this is nothing but "rumor", and some tech bloggers "thoughts". With no announcment and no factual information this is getting damn silly. The internet wins again. People already planning their purchases before a single drip of factual information is released is just atrocious.

The price of 499 is still $100 less than the premium PS3 at release in the United States. We all know how that worked out for Sony. That was one reason why I waited to purchase a ps3 instead of on release.

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Comment #128 by Leviathan v2
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:02:57 AM
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@14 Nope, I'll just get a PS4

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Comment #129 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:05:30 AM
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The Vita download thing is not true, not every game will be downloadable, and it's not even using the download section it is streaming, it is a very gimmicky thing, which will probably fail.

But that is the only weak thing about the PS4, they have a much better relationship, with indie dev's, while M$ has actually gone into bed with EA a stuck a thus far unannounced exclusive deal.

The online only thing sucks for me, as I don't have internet at my holiday home, when i go there I don't take my phone watch the news or anything, I disconnect from the world, and chill out.

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Comment #130 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:07:21 AM
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Unless M$ announce some new exclusive IPs I'll be moving no matter what the new Xbox entails unless it creates gold bars.

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Comment #131 by ICGMU12321
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:09:50 AM
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@98, dude, I never said you couldn't use it, I said that you have to pay an extra data fee whether you use the internet or not. Not exactly the same thing but it made perfect sense. Moron.

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Comment #132 by Extra Saucy
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:10:28 AM
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I'm waiting until a 2nd version is out anyways. I'll never buy the 1st versions of any console after the hardware issues. I'm waiting for at least one price drop. That said..

1) Always online doesn't bother me, but it's awful.
2) No used or backwards compatibility makes me want to wait even longer.
3) This is not a generational change from SNES to Playstation. Many people are very pleased with their 360. The ability to go HD with a 360 was amazing and I don't see that significant of an upgrade with the new system.

People will ride the 360 as long as they can until it's phased out by support and the new console is reasonable and has the kinks worked out.

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Comment #133 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:10:31 AM
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Haha at #14, i am going to file a complaint against your post. And also if ''always online'' is true, as a loyal xbox consumer, there is noooooooooooooooo way i will be buying the next xbox. PS4 will get my business FOR REAL FOOL.

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Comment #134 by LordBunnyHunter
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:13:51 AM
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#7: You literally spoke for me. The new Xbox must be fully compatible with 360 games and you must be able to import your profile. Furthermore, this 'always online'-thing needs to be dropped and I'd like the dashboard to run a little faster while the console should still be quiet (unlike the first 360 whose vent sounded like an aeroplane taking off).

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Comment #135 by Creasy47
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:15:42 AM
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$500 for a system that has to be online always and doesn't support backwards compatibility, alongside a company who obviously doesn't give a shit about it's customers?

Hello, PS4.

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Comment #136 by Trombonafide
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:19:51 AM
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How about we stop posting unconfirmed reports?

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Comment #137 by Jerric
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:21:29 AM
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Was anyone else like, turned away by the fact that, like, he talks like a gossipy little girl? Like totally credible sourse right there, for sure!

And he can suck it if he thinks people who think what they think based on what they have heard are wrong, because they have "heard nothing" from ms, because its that fact that's doing it. We will think based on what's presented to us untill they actually reveal the true details. If they don't like that, they shouldn't have put their reveal off for so long.

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Comment #138 by DeadlySinz86
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:23:18 AM
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Back to the PS4 for me! I wonder if we'll hear loads of "BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" when the Always Online part gets announced. God I hope so.

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Comment #139 by DetroitRedWings
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:24:43 AM
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The price tag should not shock anyone im 90% sure both the original xbox and the 360 were 500 when released, considering the original xbox was in 2001 that's pretty good the base price hasn't even gone up due to inflation in 12 years just saying. I am a bit bummed about the always online thing IF it is true, Having a relatively stable internet connection that wont effect me much but im well aware it will negatively impact many others. That said I will never go back to Sony they've screwed me out of more money than any other company in my lifetime, xbox will have to dig themselves a pretty deep hole for me to ever consider buying from those con artists.

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Comment #140 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:26:08 AM
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lol @137 I like totally thought that too like, i was like so #amazeballs at his skillz in literacy, i was like, wow this report is interesting like, i wana go get my hair done now and chase them boys at the park like, they are soooooooo 'buff' like.


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Comment #141 by Targus
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:27:57 AM
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Microsoft did not even comment officially on 'always online' and simply apologised for Orth's tweet - that to me is unacceptable and only trying to hide that. Surely when hundreds of thousands of people have commented on how dreadful that idea is, you come out and make an official statement and safely put the rumour to bed and reassure your fanbase.

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Comment #142 by reaper527
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:28:27 AM
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"And the new Xbox better play my 360 games, or Microsoft just lost a loyal customer. "

what are you going to do? go get a ps4 which doesn't play ps3, ps2, or ps1 games?

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Comment #143 by roza
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:28:35 AM
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So always online, retardedly high price, no back play and naming it simply "Xbox"
Yeah, I ain't getting this shit. Thank god I found Halo 4 disappointing cause otherwise I'd miss out on the only exclusive I play.
Alan Wake and Valve are all on Steam so I can see sequels hitting there too.
I may just go and build a Gaming PC and run it on Win 7 or some shit.
To be honest. Maybe it's a sign. I already have about 20 consoles as it is...
I already have:
Commodore 64C
MegaDrive II
Gameboy Color
Gameboy Advance
Gameboy Advance SP
Xbox 360

And I think more.
So far, neither sound like they're for me. But PS4 is ahead.... although the Wii U seems like the number one 'new' console right now.
I hope the Steam Box gets some more news soon.

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Comment #144 by Navy Fenson
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:31:57 AM
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I love how bitchy and bought off everyone sounds about this. Twitter guy pisses on poor people, this rumor guy sounds so confident PS4 will be as bad as the new Xbox and even Penny Arcade makes a comic with a stupid pun unrelated to everything.

I am really interested in what the PS4 will have for crap "features". Right now they announced nothing and could use that knowledge to utterly trash MS. Or they play along and leave you no choice.

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Comment #145 by Ultras500
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:37:54 AM
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Ok so I am a student (UK) and like many students, I move flats once the lease is up, normally around a year, which means I need to move my internet to the new flat which can take upto a month or longer if the new flat doesn't have an active line, so while I wait for that to happen I would have a very expensive Blu-ray player. The only way I can see Microsoft keeping this online only and keeping everyone happy is by integrating a 3G/4G connection, you cant play xboxlive but can do single player, think smartphones. Still means most people in rural UK are screwed who can't get a 3G connection

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Comment #146 by Zombiedrd
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:43:10 AM
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Damn, hefty price tag. No new Xbox for me.

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Comment #147 by gabwe
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:49:47 AM
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If these rumors are true, than I certainly won't buy it and stick to the PS4. I've supported MS in this generation, but I won't hesitate to go back to Sony. And I'm serious, Pants Party! ;)

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Comment #148 by Agent Fritz
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:51:04 AM
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Time to invest in a gaming PC methinks.

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Comment #149 by Quid Squid
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:57:13 AM
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There's no way Microsoft will address the online-only issue in their release presentation, the same as Sony didn't address the no used games issue in theirs.

Wasn't impressed with the with the PS4 at all, and if Microsoft doesn't bring a quality product/upgrade to the table it looks like it will be time for me to finally build a quality gaming PC.

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Comment #150 by Chef Ivano
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:58:11 AM
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@14. Will this website last with the 18 people you'll have left using it?

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Comment #151 by Oblivion70
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:00:09 AM
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$500 bucks for a new system is pushing it.

Always on makes it worse.

Not playing blu-ray movies on my $500 system when I have a sub $100 blu-ray already.

Non backwards compatible system? won't be adopting until the cool new games are discounted seeing as there will be no used game option. If they never discount. I will never adopt.

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Comment #152 by FreiZeitGeipel
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:05:33 AM
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I´ll just wait one or two years and see what the new generation of consoles brings to us gamers. But with always online and without backwards compatibility, I might completely pass this on. And I don´t even think PS4 will be any different regarding these two points. So I´ll either stick with my 360 or buy myself a PC. Time will tell...

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Comment #153 by Wayne Warren
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:10:46 AM
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I'll wait and see, i'm not gonna snub it without solid information.

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Comment #154 by XxMayhemxX
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:11:53 AM
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#149 Really??? "wasn't impressed with the PS4 at all"?

They showed features of the new system, games upcoming for the new system, and specs for the new system.. whats there to not be impressed about??? Because they didn't show what it looks like??? This post is so lame and anyone who says "I wasn't impressed with the ps4.." are idiots... There isn't any reason to not be impressed about it, unless,
A. You want to see what it look slike, the sexy looks are your thing...
B. You need 24gb's of memory as oopposed to the monster specs they gave for the system
C. They didn't mention Backwards Compatibility

...but they did say it will play used games.. So really any post like this is complete shit... Think of something better to post before idiotic drivel like this...

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Comment #155 by Hoborg
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:15:44 AM
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This just solidifies my recent decision to switch ship to Playstation for next gen.

The lack of MS exclusives have been pissing me off for some time. Let's face it; MS just touts the same shit over and over: Gears, Forza, Halo, new Gears, new Forza, new Halo.

The last great exclusive was Alan Wake. After that, nothing. At least Sony keeps churning out great new IPs that aren't the same hash of online shooters and online racers.

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Comment #156 by yankee04
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:16:57 AM
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Want to charge me $500? I can deal with it if you can make it worth the price.

Want to not have backwards compatibility? I can accept it. I don't know the difficulties that go into making it backwards compatible and if it is worth the time to do. I'll still hold on to the 360 anyway.

Want to make the system always-on? No deal!

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Comment #157 by Hoborg
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:18:00 AM
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Oh and #14; the staff member who got downvoted to oblivion? Yeah, you better not disagree with him openly. He has a tendency to abuse his mod powers and ban people for no good reason.

Hey you know what Alan? Watch me NOT buy the next Xbox. I got 500 bucks saved up in Gamestop creds and I got my name on a PS4.

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Comment #158 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:20:50 AM
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@154 Yeah i didn't pay much attention to PS4 reveal as i am so loyal to microsoft and was awaiting the 720 reveal, but i saw some game footage and it looked great. Also i kinda liked supporting microsoft as they are a western company but WOW how wrong was i as they are completely fucking gamers over HARD STYLIE.
PS4 looks soooooo much more appealing to the gamer now i think. So fuck microsoft and FUCK USA. THE WORLD IS BIGGER THAN YOUR RACIST FAT FUCK COUNTRY.
PS4 here i come. chinese, JAPANESE, dirty knees, look at these (THE EUROPEAN MARKET!!)

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Comment #159 by Magon
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:23:38 AM
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If Sony wants to be funny, they could offer achievement history transfer from XBox gamertag to PSN account on games existing on both consoles. :D

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Comment #160 by H0p3sfalL
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:26:52 AM
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How is any of this being "Racist" ???

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Comment #161 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:29:03 AM
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@160 What? i just was agreeing with him about PS4 and then went off on my own rant about microsoft and its narrow mindedness about being US centric. go to and on some techie website a microsoft higher up has been quoted saying the next XBOX is 100% U.S.A focused.

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Comment #162 by Quid Squid
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:31:10 AM
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@154 nice post count there for such an obvious PS4 bias...

I never said anything about basing my opinion on what it looked like, I honestly don't care.

Sony showed us nothing special. Here's what they did show us...

You can take their Vita and turn it into a WiiU peripheral
You can do more on Facebook than anyone really cares about
People can finish the hard parts of the games for you
Sculpting with the PSMove...really?
A few games with no gameplay
Killzone (which isn't really my thing)
Another gameplay video of Watchdogs (which everyone has already seen)

So, no, PS4 did not impress me. And as I said, if Microsoft doesn't bring something groundbreaking to the table I will be moving on from consoles and on to a PC for gaming.

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Comment #163 by vmu
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:35:25 AM
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HAHAHA get fucked #14. You deserve it.

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Comment #164 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:36:16 AM
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Comment #165 by TotalBlank
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:38:52 AM
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$500? Too fucking expensive considering I just want a gaming console. I don't want to watch TV, work out, listen to music, rent/buy movies. I already own a Bluray player with a 1080p 42inch HD TV with surround sound and have a local video store I can rent hundreds and hundreds of movies from for as little as a $1 per rental and even buy a lot of the movies they are advertising on Xbox for a fraction of their prices. Why would I want to burn through my month's internet usage by sitting on Netflix or Hulu 24/7 when I have a local cable company I pay for and get unlimited amounts of television? I don't understand why so many hardcore and not-so-hardcore gamers like these features that just burden the console rather than make it better. Make me a god damn console that plays my games without freezing all the time, without crashing all the time, without red ring of death and stop dicking around. The bs just never ends. It's time to go back to PC gaming where all the $60 games are on sale for 50-75% off almost all year round and it's where you wanna be if you want to mod your games and take your gaming to the next level.

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Comment #166 by Panznerr
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:40:27 AM
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I still haven't quite decided if I want the N. Xbox if its gonna be online-only. As I said in the last news article that appeared Friday. I don't have a stable enough internet connection. So they better be able to impress me next month. Tell you one thing I'm getting sick of this no Backwards Compatible shit though.

With that in Mind I'd like to see next month at the announcment:

1. Always-Onlipport
5. Confirmed Price tagne Fact or Rumor?
2. Ability to Xfer my Gamertag
3. I do care what a system looks like
4. Any mention of Backward Support

Don't think just cause I'm on the fence about the Next-Gen Xbox that I'll jump ship and head to PS4. I have seen much from Sony that leaves me impressed yet either.

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Comment #167 by Panznerr
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:42:17 AM
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Got part of my post mixed up its:

1. Always-Online Fact or Rumor?
2. Confirmed Price Tag
3. Ability to Xfer Gamertag
4. I do care what a system looks like
5. Any mention of Backwards Support

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Comment #168 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:44:32 AM
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@165 I am completely with you, i have skyHD and lovefilm, i want my gaming console FOR GAMING, DAFUK OS MICROSOFT THINKING??????

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Comment #169 by Chrispy Ware
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:48:45 AM
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@165 Exactly.

I want my Xbox to play games. They have turned this thing into a sucky version of a PC. I don't want Bing forced down my throat, all these apps, the built in commercials on my dashboard,.. I just want to play my damn games. My Nintendo, Super NES, N64, and PS2 don't have any of that garbage and I still use those.

I didn't buy the 360 when it first came out. I waited about a year and still had to return it 3 straight times because of defects and I had to send it in twice due to red rings. Now you're going to rape my wallet again, charge me for online services, make me be online at all times, not let me play the 360 library I have spend thousands of dollars on, take away my ability to rent a game before I choose to buy it.... Yeah, I'll be going to either PS4 or an amazing PC if these rumors all turn out to be true

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Comment #170 by Frankie Godskin
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:54:53 AM
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Pants: I'm an educated consumer. I won't buy a system unless it gives me exactly what I want. If this means abandoning my Gamertag and completion % and moving to the PS4, then so be it--I'd rather do that than have an always-online system that won't let me play used games. And that is EXACTLY where the always-online model takes us.

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Comment #171 by TMAC 93X
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:56:42 AM
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Always online doesn't sound that bad. I'm just upset about the backward campabillity. And I want a release window to see if I can afford these fall games. Ill just keep my 8 year old 360 that I have never replaced or upgraded

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Comment #172 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 11:58:22 AM
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@170 YES MATE, give it to that obnoxious staff member, i was actually really offended by his comment and it has got my back up incredibly, much like that Adam Orth character, I would say that pants character is damaging this sites reputation with posts like that, just like Orth damaged microsofts reputation by speaking down to its fanbase/userbase.
@14 Stop 'bitching' about us 'bitching'. MUPPET.

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Comment #173 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:00:27 PM
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@171 So you have terrible weather (like the UK has been experiencing) and your internet goes out for a week due to a problem at the exchange, you can't play ANY game on your Xbox that you have bought because it HAS to be connected to the internet?
You are stuck indoors due to terrible cold weather, but you can't use YOUR xbox the YOU bought or play YOUR games, because YOUR internet provider has gone down.


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Comment #174 by Darth Villainous
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:08:12 PM
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@14 That is an unbelievably asinine comment to make. Why on earth would any thinking person buy it if it turns out to indeed be online-only, especially when both members of the competition don't have that supposed "feature." I don't even buy PC games that require online *activation* - let alone require online-only. Why on earth would I buy something that's no better than a brick if my internet goes down? Might as well save money and buy an actual brick if that's the case.

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Comment #175 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:11:53 PM
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ps4 is confirmed to play used games, you crazy?

If you meant backward compatability, i could not give a shit about backward compatability, I have h=my current gen consoles to place this gens stuff on the same way I still have a PS2, PS1 and a Gameboy advance.

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Comment #176 by dab198
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:12:14 PM
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@173 Or indeed if MS's servers go down. It wouldn't be the first time for something like that to happen.

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Comment #177 by a 6roken sword
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:13:05 PM
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I know I'm in the minority, but the biggest issue (and deal-breaker) to me about the possible "always online" feature is that when I buy a game, I'll no longer be buying a product, I'll be paying for a service for a certain period of time. My bestie still breaks out his SNES sometimes. We both made sure to get 60GB PS3s so we could still play our PS1 games. Holding on to the oldies but goodies will not be possible with this new model.

Several years from now:

"I think I'll play -insert next gen Xbox title-. Oh wait, I can't... Microsoft says that no one plays these old (now) games anymore, so they took the servers down. So now I have a what was once $500 paper-weight and a library of $60+ drink coasters."

I don't like the prospect of a chunk of my substantial game library being eventually rendered unusable because Microsoft feels I should only care about games that are current and new.

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Comment #178 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:14:14 PM
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1000 internet cakes for you.

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Comment #179 by GR4V1G0R3
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:17:18 PM
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just switch to PC and get better looking games for cheaper

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Comment #180 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:20:35 PM
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While I'm tempted PC gaming just not practical for me as I move around quite alot and like to take my games with me.

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Comment #181 by rodimusprime13
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:21:34 PM
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I personally have see nothing to make be buy a new console any time in the near future. Both the wii u and vita are not that impressive and the ps4 and 720 are complete unknowns. I personally see little to get really interested in any of the consoles. I think that I will stick with the 360/PS3/PSP for the time being.

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Comment #182 by a 6roken sword
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:24:45 PM
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ALSO: A lot of my games have great stories that I like to relive.

What if you were talking to someone and said "I read The Lord of the Rings the other week", Or "I watched The Godfather", "Such a great book/movie!"

and someone replied:

"Why would you read/watch that?? Do you know how old that book/movie is?! You should just be reading/watching new stuff!"

I hang on to my games the same way. Well not all of them but a lot of them. I can still play all the current/old gen games anytime I want and will still be able to 20 years from now if I take good care of my stuff. The same can not be said about the next-gen titles (if the online requirement rumors are true).

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Comment #183 by francisrossi
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:26:24 PM
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@93 - Sky lease their lines from BT, which is why they're unable to do anything.

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Comment #184 by TMAC 93X
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:27:14 PM
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@173. I was saying if always online is when its constindley updating everything that's nice, but I think their still might be a feature where you don't have to be connected to the internet like xbox silver

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Comment #185 by dinoRPG
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:31:17 PM
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@14 Wrong, when I think ahead looking at my nephew playing "COD Black Ops whatever" with his friends sucking all the bandwith from my poor internet connection, and then my brand new "XBox" showing a "you require an online connection for playing, we're shutting down in 5 secs., have a nice day" message, I'm happy I have $hitty internet right now to find this info and save $500 before buying that console, so it's a No, I'll buy every X360 game available if this happens and stick to my old X360 until MS realize the wrong in this and release a patch to play Offline

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Comment #186 by Cinderkin
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:31:30 PM
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You've lost your mind if you think people are that stupid and will still buy this console?

As for myself I've been fed up with Microsoft and their practices for the last couple of years and I don't see them going back into the right direction. They started off so strong that you'd almost have to be a fool to not own a 360, but now I as a gamer have been forced to take a back seat on entertainment with the console that was so focused on quality games when it came out.

Now it's an entertainment hub which if you don't own a gold subscription is basically a 3 game system. Three games I no longer enjoy either.

Bottom line for me is that I want a gaming system to offer me games and the next XBOX won't be that system. They are too focused on Kinect, TV, and Music and Ads to realize they aren't giving gamers games to play anymore.

I also don't think people realize how poorly game patches and updates have been utilized on the 360. A lot of game patches go to the cache folder which is constantly getting deleted and what happens when the inevitable removal of Xbox Live on the 360 happens? We won't even be able to play some games due to our saves not matching up with the proper patch, or games will be so broken that we can't play them correctly without the latest patch.

What happens 10 years from now when I decide to play Dark Souls or something and I can't load my save because I don't have the latest title update and there is no Xbox Live to download it from?

I don't even think Microsoft cares about it's consumers enough to change this or to offer us something of value in the next XBOX.

And if always online is true then that is the Nail in the Coffin.

I'm looking towards a PS4 more than anything right now, because they will end up having DEVELOPER SUPPORT which means VIDEO GAMES to PLAY!


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Comment #187 by daardu
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:32:30 PM
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This is tragic!

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Comment #188 by Pearson
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:32:50 PM
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The one thing that Lee failed to mention in his article that IGN reported, is that Thurrot also said the Nextbox will indeed be a pure gaming console and not a media hub that wants to try and dominate the living room. Now I'm upset as anyone about the always on rumor, but I'm going to hold off on making any decisions until MS makes an official announcement in May.

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Comment #189 by a 6roken sword
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:36:02 PM
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Comment #190 by MikeinSC
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:40:34 PM
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I'm not remotely in the next gen consoles at all outside of Wii U. Unless MS completely blows my mind and basically every single word about the system to date is false...I have zero intention of getting one.

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Comment #191 by linktriforce007
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:41:20 PM
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I haven't trusted IGN since they announced that Rare games would not be coming to the Wii's Virtual Console.

Which was later found to be false.

I don't like rumors, because rumors don't equal news. As someone prior said, it's just plain gossip.

If this is true though, it's time to bring out the old Dreamcast.

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Comment #192 by rodimusprime13
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:43:40 PM
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@155 Well outside of god of war what games has Sony actually made for there system? For the ps1/ps2 some of the good games where made by Sony, for the ps3 a lot of the games are either online only or ps2 remastered games. Microsoft is perhaps putting out less then they did, but Sony is putting out even less for the ps3.

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Comment #193 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:43:49 PM
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That's what I'm thinking to, I'm actually considering preordering a PS4 now, without even seeing the nextbox as I'm pretty sure I know what is going on, and I'm not talking about the always online thing.

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Comment #194 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:44:52 PM
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@184 Please get educated before coming onto this thread and saying you are fine with always online. As you clearly don't know at is, if your xbox is not connected to the internet due to ANY REASON AT ALL, you xbox will not be able to play your games, there is no play offline mode like there is with the 360, IF YOUR NOT CONNECTED TO INTERNET, YOUR NOT PLAYING YOUR XBOX AT ALL!!!!!!!!

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Comment #195 by adz5000
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:48:26 PM
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@25 Sounds about right.

Rural Scotland getting screwed. Shame really.

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Comment #196 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:51:42 PM
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@195 And rural England, and rural America, and most of Europe, trust me if MS does this then the Xbox is DEAD and Playstation will once again be the undisputed kings of the console market like the ps2 days.

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Comment #197 by XxStuartxX 1990
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:55:23 PM
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That is just wrong.

M$ Exclusives: Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable, Alan Wake.

Sony Exclusives: God of War, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Last of Us, Gran Turismo, Heavy Rain, Infamous, Two souls, Demon souls.

I could go on.

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Comment #198 by Floorkiller
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 12:58:15 PM
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186 and 189 are on the same page I'm on. When the 360 loses internet connectivity, we will lose a lot more than people realize. Most DLC is associated with a patch as well, and will be rendered useless. Pick 10 games at the end you want to keep playing and have their updates in your cache. I know some ppl don't care, but as a collector I do. I still play my systems from 15-20-25 years ago. I want to keep playing my Xbox. If this isn't fixed, I'm done with MS. As for the new system...I know it's only rumors, but we have nothing else to go on right now. $500? Fine, I can deal with that. No backwards compatibility? Address the cache issue, and that's somewhat livable. Always online? No thanks... That's a deal breaker. I have a good connection, but I if it's useless offline, it's useless to me.

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Comment #199 by Samigi
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:05:01 PM
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Do we even need a new Xbox? I'm happy with the 360, I honestly don't see the reason for a new model which apparently can't even play 360 games and you must have an online connection... yeah that's what we all want isn't it...

Companies should listen to the consumers rather than doing what they want, that's how you lose money.

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Comment #200 by Slayinfool
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:05:15 PM
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Next Gen is looking depressing to me if all these rumors are true.. Could very well be passing on next gen all together.

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Comment #201 by WalterWhite
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:10:47 PM
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I'd like to hear a rumor that made this thing sound good for once instead of things that make me not want it at all.

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Comment #202 by asilent boom
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:11:06 PM
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@14 I'm sure some people will still end up buying the next Xbox, but it will definitely have an effect in a lot of peoples decision making process on which system to buy, especially at launch. I don't know if you look at other video game news sites, but the reaction has been the same on all of them. Gamespot had over 16,000 comments on their story, IGNs had 8,400 comments, and I don't recall seeing another story on this site get as many comments as this one. And all that's just over it being a rumor so far, if this rumor were to be true I think the reaction would be much larger. As long as Sony doesn't do the same and block used games with the PS4 MS would basically be handing this generation to Sony imo.

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Comment #203 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:11:38 PM
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This article doesn't need 500 comments like the last always online Xbox post. We know people don't like it and know you don't want it and know Microsoft are stupid for it.

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Comment #204 by Cinderkin
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:13:10 PM
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DLC doesn't even work if it wasn't purchased on the system without an internet connection. I didn't even mention the fact that all of my arcade games and DLC that I've purchased over the last 8 years will be useless once xbox live is removed from the 360.

This generation really screwed some things up. I mean what happens if I ever forget my password for my profile? I can't play any of my game saves because of it? If my xbox gets a RROD and I go buy a used one somewhere I won't have access to anything I purchased previously because I won't have online access one day.

I have sitting right in front of me a N64, Dreamcast, PS1 and more old consoles that I LOVE to go back to and play. This is something I will never be able to do on the 360 at a certain point.

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Comment #205 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:17:23 PM
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@203 so you want everybody to just shutup and bend over and take it. You are a corporates DREAM. we as consumers have to use the only power we have which is our voice and protest terrible disgusting decisions like these. If you want to be a sheep and shill go ahead and bend over for the corporate rapers.
But us as consumers can voice our opinions and defend our interests. So you shut up and bend over boy. Bend over for MS you corporate apologist!

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Comment #206 by Corpse87
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:19:59 PM
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@55 is way better than this site,but this is still a great site! Ps3 and for just sound way better then the new xbox but we shall wait and see!

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Comment #207 by Floorkiller
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:25:04 PM
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204- again, you are correct. I was thinking about buying a second Xbox as back up in case mine takes a dump...but without internet connectivity, I won't be able to access anything I'd be moving over because it's not the original even if they do fix the cache issue, If anything happens to the machine itself, it's all gone.
I have a NES, SNES, and Dreamcast all hooked up. The batteries in my NES games are all still good. I can play my Zelda saved games from the 1980's. I really love my Xbox, and it's frustrating to know my time with a fair share of my content has a lifespan of 2, maybe 3 years.

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Comment #208 by The Red Russian
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:31:06 PM
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No backwards compatibility = Time, energy, and money down the drain
Keep my old 360...

But I'd be broke and forced to sell it if I want this new Xbox; all rumors aside, I still really fucking want this new Xbox.

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Comment #209 by MilezDawg
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:45:12 PM
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@14 Hey Pants, alot of us 360 gamers don't like the sound of these rumors and are willing to give up our phony achievement scores and switch to Sony.

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Comment #210 by HeadLikeAHole
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:54:16 PM
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People need to understand they are making a loss when it comes to selling the consoles when they first start to come out. That's why it will probably beat a computer of around that same price (for now). So people need to stop bitching about the price and focus on other possible issues.

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Comment #211 by L1E
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:57:28 PM
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@14: I'm pretty sure you just got a record number of downvotes for that comment, congrats...

Unless the next Xbox has some damn good exclusives, I'll most likely be buying the PS4. With Halo being the only exclusive that I care about, I'm okay with sacrificing it for an overall better experience with the PS4 (if that is the case). My gamerscore will not affect my decision, I lost that passion for achievements a while back.

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Comment #212 by Pyro Stick
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 01:59:59 PM
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Living in a rural place kills this for me. I don't need a multimedia machine either. My internet can barely stream YouTube. No backwards compatibility is the final nail in the coffin.

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Comment #213 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:01:57 PM
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@203 that's not what I'm saying at all and for what it's worth I'm probably not getting the new Xbox. I'm saying its redundant and what wasn't a good idea before will never be a good idea in the future. It's microsofts fault if they fail to acknowledge that. They should be aware how many people don't like it but they still have people defending it.

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Comment #214 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:03:29 PM
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Meant at 205. Site could really use an edit button.

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Comment #215 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:13:57 PM
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@213 my bad, but i cannot disagree with you more about ur 203 post, we are lucky enough to live in a free society and our voice is the only power we have. If M$ wants to push us to sony fine i can #DEALWITHTHAT, but our outrage must be heard, incase sony get any bright ideas to follow suite.

ALSO @209 & 211 FUCK YES BOYZ, i am actually infuriated by that staff members obnoxious post and i want him reprimanded for it, i have lodged a complaint against him for lack of professionalism.

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Comment #216 by Stoko
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:34:54 PM
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Things it'll supposedly have:

1) Expanded Kinect support
2) More TV/media/non-game related focus
3) Only function when connected to the internet

Things it'll supposedly lack:
1) Backwards compatibility

Seriously. Combine that with the "hey, let's put the Windows Phone 7 interface on EVERYTHING" mindset, do Microsoft have any concept of what their consumer base actually wants?

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Comment #217 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:35:15 PM
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@213 I agree with voicing your concerns and freedom of speech and all that but gaming companies act like they're innocent but as a society we've grown so cynical that we can't get excited for a new generation of consoles that have so many problems before they're even announced and the companies act like this is something we should want. Hopefully Sony realizes the always online thing is why so many people are going over to them and don't follow suite.

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Comment #218 by HumanDestroyer
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:36:08 PM
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Lol in the last 20 minutes, my internet connection has gone off and on about 8 times, this is because i live in a rural area and not some stinking ghetto shitty city.

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Comment #219 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:36:34 PM
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@215 I meant. Ugh did it again.

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Comment #220 by Scobiwan31
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:39:58 PM
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@14, I could go in to a long list of reasons why you're wrong and also point out that if you weren't a staff member I'd swear you were just trying to annoy people much like a certain mythical beast that turns to stone when touched by sunlight, but I'll simply say this...No mate, I won't!

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Comment #221 by Belvik
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:43:35 PM
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If Xbox doesn't get their act together, then they are going to lose to PS4 and WiiU in the console war. I would imagine that almost everyone who really wanted a blu-ray player already owns one, so the statement of "New Xbox has blu-ray!" really doesn't hold much appeal. $500 is a really good start on a gaming computer, especially if you watch for sales and build it yourself, so why waste that on a console that is worthless if your connection drops out? If these rumors about the next Xbox turn out to be true, then I'll be off to PC gaming until the Xbox has like a $200 price drop.

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Comment #222 by Darth Villainous
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 02:55:30 PM
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@186 You're absolutely 100% correct. Any patch that isn't over the magic 5mb number can only be saved to the temporary cache rather than the HD (the 5mb is an approximate number, as some patches that size - like the one for Dungeon Siege 3 - can only be saved to the cache). This means that well over 90% of patches can't be saved to your HD, as there are approximately 70 games with patches over this file size... out of a library of over 1000 games. All this means the DLC for the rest of those games will be useless if/when the 360's online is eventually cut off.

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Comment #223 by Panznerr
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 03:12:34 PM
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@222: That is a scary thought :(

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Comment #224 by Delow317
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 03:27:08 PM
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@ 186 Cinderkin

I know we have had our run in's in the past but what you said right here is exactly what I've been concerned about for the last 6 months:

"I also don't think people realize how poorly game patches and updates have been utilized on the 360. A lot of game patches go to the cache folder which is constantly getting deleted and what happens when the inevitable removal of Xbox Live on the 360 happens? We won't even be able to play some games due to our saves not matching up with the proper patch, or games will be so broken that we can't play them correctly without the latest patch.

What happens 10 years from now when I decide to play Dark Souls or something and I can't load my save because I don't have the latest title update and there is no Xbox Live to download it from?

I don't even think Microsoft cares about it's consumers enough to change this or to offer us something of value in the next XBOX."

This is so true. Even the PS3 holds all title updates to the game data utility! Meanwhile nearly 95% of all our games (XBLA and Retail) still store the title update to the temporary cache! I mean I don't get it! The only retail game I own that saves the title update to the HDD instead of the cache is RAGE while I have nearly 10 arcade games that save their title updates to the HDD like Scott Pilgrim and a few others.

I'm a collector who likes to hook up my vintage consoles from time to time to play the classics and you're right.. what's going to happen when we no longer have access to the game title updates? I've already figured this out.. it makes our saves unusable and alot of times our DLC as well. So in 5 years when MS pulls the plug on all the 360 servers killing the possibility of getting title updates, not only will we be forced to start over because our saves don't work, but we will be forced to play an unpatched game!

Then we have the games that don't even let you access the single player DLC at all without a title update! I found this to be true with RE5 Gold edition. I cleared my cache and turned off my router logging in offline and guess what? The option to play the two DLC's (desperate escape and lost in nightmares) isn't there without the title update! Without the title update for my Fallout 3 GOTY edition, the DLC doesn't work at all.

In the end, I find it funny you brought this up because this should be a huge concern for everyone who doesn't sell their systems like a 16 year old child and enjoys playing older games 10 or 20 years down the line. It's almost as if we really don't own our games completely anymore. Like I said before Sony did it right by storing the updates to the hdd. What I don't understand is why very few games save it to the HDD? We need all title updates to be saved to the hdd. Not only that but we need to be able to copy those title updates to another storage device as back up.

In the end I find it hillarious that nearly every single one of our 60+ APPS save the title updates to the HDD while our games still dont. Anyhow I just wanted to say that you brought up a huge concern of mine as well and a very valid point.

Sorry about what happened before man.

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Comment #225 by JSP 16
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 03:39:56 PM
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Can't believe we all might be switching to PS3trophies....yuck

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Comment #226 by THC BLUNTED
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 03:40:07 PM
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I will be waiting for official details from Microsoft before I have a heart attack but all signs are not good so far.

But even if the new console is exactly what I want, I will be waiting at least a year to buy it because I know it will have issues. Plus the price might drop a little.

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Comment #227 by Slayinfool
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 03:45:47 PM
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I can't get any other internet besides DSL.. AND IT SUCKS!!! Always losing connection! You're screwing me over Microsoft, screwing me good and hard....

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Comment #228 by tommy50
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 03:50:15 PM
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so to sum up:
1:no backward compatibility,
2:on the pricey side
3:always needs to be online
4:probably no second hand games.

well hello sony, all of a sudden you guys seem awesome

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Comment #229 by smacd
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 03:53:57 PM
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Is Microsoft and Sony really trying to shoot themselves in the foot this generation? Seriously, fuck it, if everything I'm hearing is true, I'll get a Wii U and otherwise go handheld.

The always-on and any sort of used game disabling is a deal breaker on principal alone, despite having a relatively stable internet connection and rarely getting used. I have no desire to have the social component Sony and Microsoft are trying to shove down my throat. I have no desire for Facebook the Console and dealing all the dude-brahs that already infest the current generation.

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Comment #230 by tommy50
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 04:00:54 PM
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^i know right they just dont seem to get it

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Comment #231 by Cinderkin
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 04:03:20 PM
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It's all good dude, you were raging hard the last time we talked. I don't even care bro. All that matters is that we are all gamers at the end of the day. We like certain things that others don't.

I for one am honestly just fed up with Microsoft and that this generation has completely ruined gaming in a lot of ways. It actually makes me sick to my stomach knowing that one day all of my 360 arcade games, DLC, and even some of my retail games won't be playable anymore.

What scares me the most is that some gamers think going all digital is the way of the future and it's not. I like having physical media and I also like having digital media, but at the end of the day as long as I have electricity and a working tv or console my physical media is available to me. While with digital I have to be online (usually) I need to verify that it's me and sign into my profile just to play and save a game. It's stupid.

I wish we could go back to the way of the old days where profiles don't matter, achievements are gone, and I don't need to be online to access my purchases.

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Comment #232 by Quid Squid
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 04:14:48 PM
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@228 you do realize that Sony is guilty of some of those on PS4 too right?

1:no backward compatibility,
2:on the pricey side
3:have to rebuy all games on PS4 that you had on PS3
4:possibly no second hand games. (this issue is still in a grey area they have neither confirmed nor denied)

@224 achievements really have ruined gaming, as much as I love them and go for them.

People now buy crap DLC just for points, thus causing companies to put out more crap DLC in form of uneeded multiplayer. If gamers would start worrying more about the quality of the game and not their completion % then said companies wouldnt make money and need to tack on multiplayer. People would play games more than once instead of running to GameStop or Ebay to unload the gam for the highest value so they can move on to the next game and 1000 points. It's all just an endless cycle now and as much as people complain about the day 1 DLC, and the tacked on multiplayer their complaints are pointless since they're just going to bitch and buy.

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Comment #233 by Quid Squid
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 04:18:36 PM
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@231, not 224

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Comment #234 by Nateboy1989
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 04:30:02 PM
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While I do agree with the idea that always online is a terrible idea...I have to agree with #14...let's face it...This is the mindset of todays gamer...they'll threaten to boycott these consoles and games but ultimately they'll give in to the temptation and get it anyway...I can prove this fact too...remember when people were gonna boycott dead space 3 because of became one of the best selling games earlier this year...obviously people are going back on their's the same deal with A:CM...people bitched about it yet until this week it was on the UK top20 ssales can't tell me that people that have said that this game was terrible before playing it still didn't go out to get it...also...#14...I believe that you could have chosen your words could probably learn a thing or two from Adam orth...

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Comment #235 by Spanish Assault
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 04:30:32 PM
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why does this guy sound like a total douche?

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Comment #236 by km16
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 04:33:09 PM
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These always online rumors about NextBox are really pissing me off. My Time Warner connection goes out all the time, I don't want a useless brick in my bedroom that can't play games for hours on end and sits collecting dust while Time Warner tries to get their heads out their asses to fix my fucking connection. $500 for a useless brick is ridiculous Microsoft! Why the fuck would I pay for that shit when I go get a PS4 that doesn't have that issue? Are you purposely alienating people who don't have solid connections or are you just that fucking cocky? I know everybody keeps saying "Oh, you'll say this and cave" well not me. I've been unemployed for six damn months trying to find a job and I've been putting back every month leading up to this holiday season for a new console and if I'm doing all this work for a console that'll be deemed useless because of my always shitty internet connection, I'm spending my money on something I won't immediately regret once my connection goes out. My money is too limited and I'm barely making it as it is and if Microsoft wanna tell me to just deal with it or go, then I'm going. Fuck them.

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Comment #237 by Boro Iz Rich
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 05:00:16 PM
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Not backwards compatible and always online...

Two words; FUCK YOU!

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Comment #238 by Skid Row Trash
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 05:04:31 PM
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Not interested. Microsoft can go fuck themselves until they bleed dry.

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Comment #239 by IFC3000
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 05:13:39 PM
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what worries me is how many dashboard ads there will be and maybe in game popping ads, with always online system it will be a nightmare...if PS4 will be PS1 and PS2 backwards compatible, then it's a no brainer.

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Comment #240 by Floorkiller
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 05:46:51 PM
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PS4 will have no backwards compatability.

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Comment #241 by buttmudBrooks
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:41:21 PM
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Such a dumb move. Microsoft really does not understand their userbase. For instance, military personnel like myself will absolutely be unable to use a device that cannot play without an internet connection, when aboard their ships or out in some backwards shithole where wireless internet is but a legend. Forget all the talk from that asshole Adam Orth about "living in the modern times" and "everybody having an online connection." A shockingly large number of systems are purchased by servicemembers, and if that system cannot operate without a connection, then a very large number of systems will go unpurchased. We will continue to use our Vitas and 360s and perhaps PS4s if they are capable of operation without a connection.

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Comment #243 by buttmudBrooks
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:43:54 PM
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Nothing wrong with trophies. I actually go for both. And Steam achievements. God, what have I become?

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Comment #244 by smacd
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 06:46:21 PM
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I will probably wait til the device has been out at least a year or two, and will promptly apply whatever the hackers device to get around these measures, even if that means the device can never go online.

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Comment #245 by DeafSunchaser
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:18:18 PM
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so many posts lol all i wanna know is will the chevo gamescore carry over? be fucked if im starting at 0G again lol i worked hard for my 100k+ GS lol

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Comment #246 by kyrosnag
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:21:21 PM
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I'll just wait until it costs basically nothing so I don't have to pay $500 for a fancy paperweight. Or better yet, I wont get it at all! :D

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Comment #247 by Quid Squid
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 07:57:22 PM
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You guys do realize that this is all still speculation by people and you are getting worked up over nothing until they actually announce the system right? If they announce it and say it's online only then make your voice heard, but doing it over a report by a guy that can't talk without using the word "like" every sentence isn't really doing much.

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Comment #248 by crunchb3rry
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:13:05 PM
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I'll buy one of those Stingrays if it has a 250GB HDD. My 160 or whatever is down to just 3GB free.

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Comment #249 by Yourburntstar
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 08:23:37 PM
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it will be a sad day for Microsoft fans on May 21st. and I'll probably be one of them.

This article is disgusting. if it's true, it's a joke on Microsofts part. I mean I can deal with a $500 price tag, I seen that coming a mile away. but as for no backward's capability and also them supposedly re-making the 360 it just mind boggling.

we shall see if they Fail in about a month..

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Comment #250 by scardro
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:07:43 PM
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I'm getting the new Xbox sony has no exclusives that interest me and as for playing my 360 games on it I could care less I'm gonna still have my 360 so ya that's one of them who gives a fuck moments and always online meh I could have swore ps4 was like that but maybe not but Xbox is my choice most likely get both anyways just to have

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Comment #251 by scardro
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:11:34 PM
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If you really wanted a console for simple gaming stay with your Xbox duh

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Comment #252 by scardro
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:16:49 PM
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what's this "we" shit speak for yourself

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Comment #253 by scardro
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 09:18:52 PM
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your gamerscore isn't even 100k+ sooooooo ya

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Comment #254 by SilvereX
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:44:28 PM
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@253 What are you talking about? His gamerscore is 102934.

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Comment #255 by odysseus123
Monday, April 08, 2013 @ 10:56:33 PM
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How is it that the people getting worked up over nothing get the first comments?

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Comment #256 by Tim1601
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 12:53:16 AM
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Why is PS4 the default alternative to Nextbox? You could build a beast PC for the price of a new console. :P

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Comment #257 by seven43861
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 01:45:11 AM
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I'd like to know what you guys (the admins) feel about what's gonna happen if this turns out to be true and we all move to PS4 Trophies.

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Comment #258 by xSavage Henry
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 01:48:41 AM
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Is it just me or does it seem like nothing new is actually coming out? I mean I don't see how they can make the graphics any better. Its just going to be the same crap with a blu ray player, that's it. Im more excited about getting a new 360 for $99 honestly.

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Comment #259 by Kaiyo
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 02:02:12 AM
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Wow everything about the new xbox is bad already especially the online only. No gaming system ever needed internet to even operate/function till this bs if true.

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Comment #260 by Restricted-Access
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 02:23:59 AM
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All this constant-online-connection isn't singing to me right now. I normally have a very good connection to Xbox LIVE (cable-modem service)... but tonight I haven't been able to connect at all (although my PC is connecting just fine). Since I wouldn't dare hack my 360, and I don't utilize any cheats... I don't know what the deal is (connection tests still pass - which I don't understand).

It feels like I'm getting a preview of bad things to come (at least I can still play some games offline, though)!

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Comment #261 by Ninja Kaspyr 83
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 03:25:38 AM
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well its been a good run i guess this will be my last year for xbox. i will be gettin a PC or PS4. shame too. i really like halo.

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Comment #262 by razzadazza
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 04:04:41 AM
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@256. No, you couldn't. Best price for a home built PC capable of playing Crysis 3 at full settings is just shy of £800. That doesn't include keyboard, mouse and monitor. And that price is for mid-range gaming rig. (660Ti, i5, 16gb) without an OS. If you want a 'beast' PC, then you're talking a 690, which will set you back £800 for the card alone. Slightly more expensive than a console wouldn't you say? And that's for something which won't be able to play the latest games at max 2 years from now. Keeping up with the latest spec for gaming is an expenive hobby.

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Comment #263 by MaxBeaver
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 04:21:12 AM
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It does seem like alot of the need for upgrading the hardware is more about profit protection for MS/sony than providing genuinely improved experiences for the gamer. Coupled with a very "we can do all this amazing stuff no one asked for" attitude against an unwillingness or inablility to give us the things we want and need like backwards compatability and offline functionality.
None of us believe for one second that backwards compatibility or offline functionality are ruled out from a technical perspective, it is a conscious choice by MS/sony to enable them to have more power over the consumer. That's a downgrade to most of us.
Backwards comp is a must for me to stay as I am an older gamer who has spent alot of money compiling the best back catalog i've ever had on one console. I would not object at all to paying a reasonable fee to transfer functionality to the next gen console. That would be perfectly adequate in my book and i would not expect online play in for the bargain. Most xbla games are already puncing way below their weight in terms of technical demands on the system anyway. How hard can it be?
The alternative is migrating to another console and making far less purchases of this nature in future

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Comment #264 by TheGreyMan
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 04:27:16 AM
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I'm just going to quote some stats from another story about MS and Xbox posted here on the same day: "76 million Xbox 360 consoles around the world with 46 million Xbox LIVE members". So not everyone who buys an Xbox has or wants a Live account. How, then, does it make sense to tell those approx 30 million customers, "we don't want you to buy our new console"?

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Comment #265 by isw42
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 08:20:54 AM
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My Internet connection is really sketchy. People are always like, "Just switch to a better service, dude!" Well... there isn't one. The service I subscribe to is the only one there is for me. So always-on means that IF I buy the console, I will be dealing with connection issues all the effing time.

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Comment #266 by poopstain killa
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 08:59:58 AM
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Man. This sucks. Not only do I fork out $500, on top of that requiring me to have internet (more $), and remember this you have to pay for xbox live. So once I buy the system, I have to pay Microsoft to be able to play it? That's effing bull Shxt. Sony PS4 for me! Goodbye Xbox.

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Comment #267 by jonboy1977
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 12:22:13 PM
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I honestly can't fathom how MS think this is a good idea. They have gotton too arrogant. look at History. Atari were dominant and then made stupid decisions and crumbled, sega looked to be getting strong and made stupid decisions and are now software only. Nintendo are falling behind. Microsoft themselves got ahead this generation through Sonys arrogance and belief they were untouchable, MS are heading in a dangerous direction here.
I collect and keep all my old consoles, when this new console is replaced in the future and MS pulls support including online, will that mean that the console and all games are rendered unusable.
Another big issue is that a lot of kids are not allowed to be connected to the internet and play online, MS are just pushing these customers to Sony.

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Comment #268 by cloelea
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 @ 10:18:37 PM
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ok the $500 is understandable but wheres the library of games, im aroused to see a new kameo, alan wake, and perfect dark sequel

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Comment #269 by lord verh
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 @ 09:43:59 AM
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I always wanted to play God of War and Uncharted.

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Comment #270 by PSYCHOxCHIBI
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 @ 10:32:49 AM
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Which next-gen console I buy out of the PS4 or Xbox will be decided when they've both been fully announced and have all their details out there for the world to see. Then and only then will I have a solid stance on the subject, though I do strongly believe that the next Xbox will be 'always online' and that is already a strike on Xbox's side. 2 more strikes and Xbox is out.

Of course just because there have been no rumors about the PS4 having to always be online doesn't mean its not going to be that way as well. Time will tell friends. Stay calm and holdfast to your hopes, we ain't seen the devil until we've seen the details.

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Comment #271 by Kaiyo
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 @ 08:28:18 PM
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Sony already confirmed that the PS4 is not an Online-Only system.... Which happened to the reason most people are thinking of moving to the PS4 instead of moving to the new xbox....

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