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Cliff Bleszinski Defends Always-On Consoles, Says They're Inevitable
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Cliff Bleszinski is at it on his blog again. This time the Gears of War designer has jumped to the defence of always online consoles.

Bleszinski’s words come following repeated rumours that the next Xbox will require an internet connection to fully function, preventing users from playing games if the console remains offline for more than three seconds.

"Now, I don't know as much as you'd think I know about Microsoft's future plans," said Bleszinski. "Even if I did I wouldn't go blogging about it like some sort of fool.

"My gut is telling me that an always online future is probably coming. It's coming fast, and possibly to the majority of the devices you enjoy. Adam's [Orth, the Microsoft exec that recently lost his job following ill-judged comments about always-online tech] analogies weren't that far off; although the vacuum one was kind of weird. Sim City, with all of its' troubles on launch, seems to be selling briskly.

"Diablo 3, the poster child of a messy launch, is estimated to be at 12 million units. I would bet money that without the always online elements of Diablo 3 that it would have sold half of that.

"Remember when Microsoft made the decision to only allow broadband on Xbox Live? It was a bold move back then; broadband penetration wasn't anywhere near what it is now. And yet the march of progress continued. Sooner or later our government, or Google, or any number of providers are going to get their shit together and we'll have universally fast internet for the majority of the first world."

Bleszinski concluded by saying that early adopters of a new Microsoft console are likely to be connected, and that the tech world doesn’t advance if it worries about “edge cases.”

"I'd be willing to say that any early adopter for any new piece of technology is probably going to have some sort of solid internet connection," he said. "Also, and I've stated this before, keeping that umbilical cord connected might not always require some sort of insane fat pipe. Sometimes just 3G might be enough.

"My wife and I were discussing these issues this afternoon and she mentioned the example of 'Hey what if I'm a gamer who wants to go to a cabin in the woods for a week and I don't have online access there?' My response was 'Unplugging entirely sometimes isn't always a bad thing.' 

“And that's the edge case...the week-long vacation to the cabin is only 30 hours of not playing a game or a device that's built for much more. Technology doesn't advance by worrying about the edge case."




 
 

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Comment #1 by davidani
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 05:53:09 AM
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"preventing users from playing games if the console remains offline for more than three seconds"
THREE MINUTES


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Comment #2 by creaper210
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 05:53:28 AM
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It's not something I will ever want, but unfortunately, it's probably gonna happen. If not the next gen, this probably with the next.
Even IF everyone does eventually get fast internet, why should we be forced into it? What about people who don't go online AT ALL!? Then they can no longer play games unless they dish out extra money?
It really is an awful idea. And as long as Sony is not doing it, I think it is stupid for Microsoft to do it.


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Comment #3 by GeneralGranko
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 05:55:52 AM
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I had enough of those ppl from Epic, there is some retarded message from them every week and it´s just pissing me off.


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Comment #4 by IEvil IMonkey
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 05:57:07 AM
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This guy gets on my tits!


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Comment #5 by SilvereX
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 05:57:46 AM
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DRM doesn't really matter in online-only games, in fact for videogames it's not really that big of a deal, but this is a huge mistake for game consoles. Xbox LAN parties are effectively cancelled for eternity. I can say goodbye to bringing my console round to a mate's place for an all-night game-jam. I can say goodbye to Xbox as I shan't be buying the new one if it's always-online.


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Comment #6 by FreiZeitGeipel
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 05:58:45 AM
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I´m so sick of hearing about every semi-official defending this technology by now... just bring it on if you´re so desperate for it and see what your sales figures are going to be... I´d bet my money they won´t be that great with always-on tech.


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Comment #7 by its delicious
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 05:59:35 AM
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Telling consumers what they want is different than giving them what they want.


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Comment #8 by ZzZCrossyZzZ
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:01:08 AM
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"Sometimes just 3G might be enough." I've had my xbox playing on Live just by using my iPhones 3G as a personal hotspot, perfect connection aswell, but not everyone has that, or any form of internet connection. Microsoft are going to lose a lot of customers just due to not everybody having internet. I would completely understand if the console had to be connected to the internet the very first time it's used to register it, after that, it's our console to use how we wish.


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Comment #9 by jonboy1977
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:01:40 AM
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I could understand if Sony were doing it as well as then it would be a case of this is something you have to accept, the problem with MS being the only ones is that Sony are sitting there with an alternative.

The sim city and Diablo comaprisons dont work for me, If you lose your connection you still have games you can play. with the new Xbox the entire system and your entire library of games are unusable.



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Comment #10 by crabbycrabcrab
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:01:44 AM
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No offense but why do you keep posting news with what Cliff Bleszinski says. He really comes across as a bellend with everything he says.

I love gears don't get me wrong. Just he is very unlikable with his statements


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Comment #11 by lordskorrkeeper
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:02:09 AM
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Going to a cabin or relatives place for me is usually my Wife making me go and this is why I would like to bring my current favorite console (Xbox) but if you cant play it off line I would have to bring my Nintendo or PlayStation product i guess not sure if you guys want to push people to other systems over yours.

Big thing about this is some people don't have internet or they live in a small backwater town with unreliable internet so what tell them to move to a "better" lol city, what if they still live with there parents or have decent jobs there, the online thing for me is fine until we get a internet down and I would have to go out in the sun light or better yet might have to resort to picking up Ps4 or Wii-U which I rather not do atm I am not made of money these days.


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Comment #12 by H2O
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:02:18 AM
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"I'd be willing to say that any early adopter for any new piece of technology is probably going to have some sort of solid internet connection,"

He'd be wrong then. A friend of mine would buy a new console day 1 but only if it wasn't always online.

He only lives a few miles from me but due to line issues caused by being quite a way off the main road he's had no internet connection at his house for several months...

Infrastructure is not consistently good enough yet for always online to be a sane decision.


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Comment #13 by Fozki Razormaid
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:03:01 AM
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I wish someone would log CLIFFY B offline for three minutes


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Comment #14 by GamePlayUK
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:03:23 AM
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hey cliff... you still didnt answer your wifes question... so what if you wanna goto a cabin in the woods and play xbox?


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Comment #15 by TheBrute1997
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:03:53 AM
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"The customer is always right", right? And we're right about not wanting some stupid DRM which will effectively kill offline gameplay, and there are LOADS of people across the globe who own a 7th generation console and probably can't even get Xbox Live, let alone afford it.


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Comment #16 by the action frampton
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:09:23 AM
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'Unplugging entirely sometimes isn't always a bad thing.'

I would have thought that the customer should have some say in this?


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Comment #17 by H0p3sfalL
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:12:25 AM
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Will this guy ever Shut The Front Door?

Also

"Sooner or later our government, or Google, or any number of providers are going to get their shit together and we'll have universally fast internet for the majority of the first world"

At what cost of the customer? Not everyone can wipe there ass with a 100 dollar bill and feel pretty happy about it.


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Comment #18 by jonboy1977
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:13:25 AM
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My biggest problem is that I disconnect my Xbox when my 4 and 6 year olds play on it.

and my 12 year old has his own but he is not allowed to connect to live.

So, yeah thanks microsoft. How many other parents do you think will not buy their kids a console that has to be connected online when they dont even eant to have their kids playing online.



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Comment #19 by Steakslave
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:14:03 AM
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Lucky for Cliff he doesn't have a job right now. Remember what happened to the last guy to defend always-on?


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Comment #20 by Akinokaze
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:20:44 AM
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Sometimes just 3G is enough? That's like saying sometimes broadband is enough. Both have high speeds and neither is available everywhere and even if they are they aren't always stable.

I live in the UK, high speeds aren't available everywhere you might live, even if you have it it may not be stable. Where I live I don't get 3G, I barely even get a phone signal at all though O2 claims I live in a strong signal area.

Even if people HAVE access to always online internet, it doesn't mean they have it for their console [no wifi, not enough ethernet connections to cover all PC's/devices that need it, limited times of access, download caps that either shut you off or charge you massively for exceeding them.]

Currently the technology and financial system isn't in place to support always online, even when it is though why do we need it? Why can't we play single-player games offline? Why can't we play local games [same console or a LAN] offline?

You should only have to be online when you want to access online features, not features that should work regardless of your internet status.


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Comment #21 by Lonewolff 7
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:21:30 AM
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Bleszinski is such a fuckwit. Does anybody listen to this cunt anyway?


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Comment #22 by Mittens2317
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:21:49 AM
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The good news is that the "modders and hackers [who are] fucking lazy" will find a solution for us.


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Comment #23 by Anna Sasin
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:23:37 AM
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Once again Mr Bleszinski misses the point.

To suggest that it is ok for Microsoft to produce a new console that will provide a poor and frustrating experience for a significant proportion of its existing user base simply shows his ignorance and arrogance.

What the internet might be like in the future in some utopian paradise is simply irrelevant.

Gamers are fed up with being milked for money and having their genuine concerns ignored by an increasingly parasitic gaming industry.


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Comment #24 by zeroy042
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:25:27 AM
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Why would microsoft want to exclude potential customers? Im not buying a console that HAS to be online to play games I PURCHASED! GIVE me the console or the games, I wont pay for a console, games, xbox live and net service to play a game offlines. I will buy a pc. Which is where true gaming is at anyway!


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Comment #25 by basti memphis
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:26:19 AM
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my xbox was online the whole time i owned it. don't really care...
and he is right. The average customer just won't care.

And the people who care should buy the PS4 (if it is not always on). But we don't know anything about the new Xbox


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Comment #26 by Eoth
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:27:39 AM
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People like Cliffy B seem to fail to realize that it's not just a matter of able but also choice.

Yeah I live in a country where 90% is broadband connected. I myself have a really great internet connection. I'm still not going to buy the damn thing if it's always online system is in place. Why? Because some occassions, for whatever reason I prefer to be offline. Be it that I install my Xbox in the bedroom cause the wife is having friends over for women night in the livingroom. Be it because I want to hook up my Xbox with those of my friends and brothers for a fragnight.

I borrow games from friends to play which I won't be able to do etc. Those are things I oppose in my console of choice. So MS go on and take away that option and I'll just stick to PS for the next gen.


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Comment #27 by Weirdy Beardie
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:29:52 AM
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"Even if I did I wouldn't go blogging about it like some sort of fool."

He says, on his blog.


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Comment #28 by Ronin1977
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:29:59 AM
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i am tired of the discussion and the rumors,i only can speak for myself my decision is no matter if the next xbox needs to be always online or not.i dont buy any microsoft products anymore.they had there chance to confirm the rumors or not what they didnt so fuck you microsoft no more money from me.sony here i come back where i belong.


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Comment #29 by Mr Jinxed
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:32:14 AM
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CliffyB still trying his hardest to be relevant.


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Comment #30 by zeroy042
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:35:55 AM
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As much as I hate online passes, I do honestly believe that is the solution to getting developers the money they deserve. By banning used copies, developers have 2 choices, lower the price of their games, OR go bankrupt!!! Some games are meant to be rented! IF i would have spent $60 on Operation raccoon city, that would have been the last resident evil game I ever played. But luckily for them, I rented it and they got to sell that copy to gamefly to rent to me. Otherwise gamers see that there is no demo available for it and THEY KNOW its going to be junk!!!


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Comment #31 by dang racoons
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:38:50 AM
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Yes I imagine it is inevitable but I can't see it happening until maybe the ps5 generation. And the people who complain about always online aren't just people who don't have internet, I have the best connection I can get in my area and it works fine but sometimes I lag sometimes I disconnect then I'd be left with a plastic brick. If the 720 is always on then I won't buy it and when the day comes when all consoles are always online then I'll move to pc gaming.

And there's no way that Diablo 3 would have sold less without the always online elements Diablo 2 pushed like 15m units and not all of those people played online and then there's the fact of how many people actually liked Diablo 3 and the online features.


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Comment #33 by Crimson Ridley
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:40:51 AM
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Hi, I'm Cliff B. I'm just going to say exactly what Adam said, only I'm going to clean it up a little so you don't fucking realise.


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Comment #34 by zeroy042
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:42:09 AM
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MS is only thrives in a few countries. We need to let our wallets do the talking!!!


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Comment #35 by jackanape
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:44:32 AM
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Cliffy is good for quotes but it's getting old now, you would think he was the messiah of gaming rather than someone with one good (console exclusive) series and a hand in Unreal (and Jazz Jackrabbit if anyone cares). Instead he feels he has to vent about EVERY occurence in the industry and it always comes across like his opinion is the RIGHT one, and if you disagree well.....

Only Cliffy article I care about now will be with the following headline:

"Cliffy retires from games. Promises to never open his mouth again."


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Comment #36 by XxStuartxX 1990
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:44:52 AM
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I understand certain games having always on, like MMOs and such, but I don't get why anyone would think it is a good idea for everything to be always online, to me it's just asking for trouble.

And those two games he quoted, I doubt people bought them because they were always online, they probably got them in-spite of them been always online.


The internet just is not reliable enough yet, unless the new console comes with built in 4G as a back up connection your just begging for issues.


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Comment #37 by Majica8
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:45:46 AM
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I don't want always online, ever, but can accept it will come eventually. Eventually being when everyone has access to fast and reliable internet. That's a few years down the line at least, probably the generation after PS4 and the next Xbox.


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Comment #38 by Leviathan v2
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:46:53 AM
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He says they're inevitable? I'll just get a PC or ps4 then, easy. Microsoft misses out


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Comment #39 by Nitnoid
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:48:38 AM
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Epic is in bed with Microsoft and are trying to dictate how we play games. And now he wants the government to get involved. Like we need more of THAT!


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Comment #40 by Mr Jinxed
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:53:26 AM
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Oh no my internet connection is out. Well I'll just drive my Ferrari around for a while instead. Isn't that what everyone does?


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Comment #41 by cHa0sKil13r
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:56:01 AM
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You know what really cracks me up about this always online bullshit, is how many consoles has microsoft sold total to this day and how many people are actually connected online. If this does turn out to be true boy they are going to be in a world of hurt. What they need to understand is not everyone is connected because they may not be able to get service in his or her area, such as my bestfriend and family so when they come over to visit sometimes they might bring thier console over to get some online gaming on or download some arcade games. I know certain people including myself just isn't ready for nextgen consoles yet. I am still enjoying my 360 and I am just not ready to put it aside to collect dust quite yet. Not for another couple of years. Then there are the folks that can't afford buying a new console due to the recession bullshit our countries in and people not being able to find jobs. 7 years ago was perfect when MicroSoft put out the 360, our country wasn't in turmoil yet people had jobs and people without internet connections could afford then and play offline. I think MicroSoft needs to wake up and realise that if any of this is true, they pretty much just threw their business out the window. I will and others will jump ship and head over to sony once again if need be.


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Comment #42 by Iconoclast Envy
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:57:22 AM
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No one is forcing you to buy a 720, so if you are that upset with always online then stay with your 360 or Go buy a PS4, especially if you don't have reliable internet.


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Comment #43 by jonboy1977
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:00:13 AM
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@42 thats exactly what we are saying we are going to do dumbass.


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Comment #44 by WINAS3
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:00:33 AM
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Any console that requires me to always be online to play games has no place in my house.


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Comment #45 by XxStuartxX 1990
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:00:34 AM
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I know this has nothing to do with this, but in the UK the office of fair trades is actually looking into micro-transaction.


http://www.shopto.net/news/42434/OFT-investigating-ingame-purchases-for-mobile-and-web-games


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Comment #46 by SeraphTC
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:02:51 AM
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@3 This has nothing to do with anyone at Epic, or Epic Games. Bleszinski left Epic in October last year.


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Comment #47 by the emcee
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:03:11 AM
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I have to say, microsoft have lost me this time...whether this turns out to be true or not sony seem to be really connecting with their customer base AND with developers too. This always online rumour will undoubtedly turn out to be true...the same as with the current xbox you cant play arcade games if you are offline which pisses me off considering I have to pay them a yearly fee to play online as it is. Microsoft can fuck off.


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Comment #49 by ZingZitang
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:03:58 AM
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I don't really have a problem with anything Cliffy B just said.

I don't agree with always online consoles, but I also don't get all angry at somebody just for voicing their opinion.

People spew hate at Cliffy when he simply blinks, I don't even understand it.

He has an opinion, and one the should be taken seriously given his contributions to the gaming industry(I bet 90% of the haters don't know half of what Cliffy B has done.)

But regardless of all that, the guy has an opinion. Something that everyone is entitled to. He simply voices his opinion, as everyone is entitled to do.

Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesnt mean you get all angry about it and try to insult them.


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Comment #50 by Navy Fenson
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:05:38 AM
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At least once a year the internet goes dead where I live for no apparent reason and takes one or two weeks to return back to normal. The connection is going away at rather random times and I don´t live in slums or in a forrest, just a few minutes away from a city. In those moments I normally use the console because there is no alternative for entertainment.

So fuck you, next gen.


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Comment #51 by pistonh
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:06:09 AM
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These guys miss the point. The whole thing is that the consumer won't truly own anything they purchase anymore. I'm sure if Cliff's next Lamborghini he paid his hard earned money for required an internet connection to keep running or it turns off the engine after 3 minutes he'd be pissed too. They think the future is all about who controls what. These guys think nothing of having all the control over us "peons."


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Comment #52 by Restless Viper
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:07:45 AM
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After seeing all these articles about always online I want to know where they do their market research. I haven't seen 1 person say they actually want it and the majority seem against it.


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Comment #53 by Predator Pete
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:08:21 AM
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And what about when the online service is no longer supported for your product, and all your games, all your dlc, and youre investment is pissed away now that you cant connect anymore? Yeah, fuck that.


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Comment #54 by wbpridgen
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:08:29 AM
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I agree that all technology should follow advancements as they are developed. We must stay compatible as things change. But these changes should never restrict the user from basic principles they enjoy and/or need. If my television became connection only, I would stop watching entertainment and the news. (If a massive percentage of people stopped, think of the sales impact on providers of network television and service providers). If PCs/Macs became connection only, then forget my personal issue! I wouldn't be able to work! What happens for those who travel? You can't stay connected everywhere. Sometimes I actually like going somewhere quite and disconnected to work on my projects. Picture the cliche writer driving 5 hours to a cabin in the wilderness > that would never happen again.

The people calling the shots in this industry have collectively become a single perspective, and as with most success stories, become disconnected with the people they service.


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Comment #55 by SydLosttarot
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:09:00 AM
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Here's another reason I hate always online: security. Both companies have had their share of hacks and needing to issue apologies for the breach, for the potential theft of information and so on. This gaming utopia Cliffy B speaks of will one day have high-speed for everyone (sounded NA centric to me but maybe not), cool. Give me security too. Then maybe this'll be peachy. Until then, PS 4 sounds good.


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Comment #56 by YiazmatXII
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:09:58 AM
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#fired


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Comment #57 by the emcee
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:10:33 AM
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My arse cheeks talk more sense than this clown


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Comment #58 by RockMan Respect
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:14:27 AM
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If always on tech is inevitable, and we will soon live in a world where gamers have little to no control over their games than guess what? A giant video game crash is also inevitable. Either way enjoy losing your job for being stupid.


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Comment #59 by SeraphTC
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:14:54 AM
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@52 I'd love to see where you got this 'majority' from. The only people posting are those against it. Even if that amounts to hundreds of thousands, it's nowhere even close to a majority.

Whilst a particularly fast internet connection is not the norm - certainly not in the UK - a reasonably stable connection is. It requires virtually no bandwidth to confirm an online presence, you could do it easily with less than 1mb without any end user impact.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not in favour of an always online requirement *at all*, but the sad fact is, the vast majority probably won't care, and may not even be affected.


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Comment #60 by UnleashTheWolf
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:15:20 AM
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An always online future for all devices... Means they will always know what we are doing, where we are... 0_0


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Comment #61 by Obi-Brown
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:16:34 AM
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what a great business model:
"No internet access for a week? Just go without your games."
No thanks, think I'll just spend my money on a competitors brand such as the 3DS instead.

There's being ahead of the curve of technology, and there's rushing ahead too quickly. The world is moving towards an always online system, but is it necessary to do it so heavy handedly when the infrastructure just isn't there yet. You may be future proofing your product, but you'll be taking a big hit in the present time.


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Comment #62 by PnPTheDealer
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:17:00 AM
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I love the way he's telling us it's going to happen and it's coming fast so deal with it, it not so many words. But surely it's only happening because we're letting it happen? I expect if there was a petition by gamers telling Microsoft to get their shit together in some form or another in a reasonable fashion then the backlash would probably make them think. Waiting until the console is released is pretty counter productive as far as i'm concern because then the genie is out of the bottle and there's putting it back in. At least if people got onto them before release Microsoft would at least be able to save face and ditch the tech before release or write some software patches to sort it out depending on how it's implemented. That way they can at least pretend like it was just a rumour...just a thought


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Comment #63 by Gizmo Monkey
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:18:22 AM
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These always on rumours and speculation are getting out of whack. Do you honestly think MS would be so stupid to have it always on to even function for the gaming side? Of course not. Even MS wouldn't be that dumb.

Sure it might require a constant connection to do EVERYTHING ELSE - stream movies and music, Facebook etc (obviously). That's what the console will be marketed as. A set top box always connected just like your cable box/skybox. A "Always On" connection will be required to do 75% of the things on the console. Which is pretty much what the current Xbox is like anyway! For playing games it certainly wouldn't be like this. Why would it? It does them no favours.

Besides MS focus is on general entertainment now and not games which is why they have shitty first party, the focus isn't there anymore for gaming like it was the first few years of the 360. They used the hardcore with 360 to get a foothold into the market but now their vision and direction is more of a one box does everything,

They'll just get by fine by cycling Gears, Halo, Fable, Forza and Kinect rehashes and exclusive 4 week access to Call of Duty DLC because that makes them enough and people keep buying it. You can forget about new and interesting IPs from them for next gen or exclusive third party support. The company is far too corporate and will go where the money is. They really don't care about all the people who buy their console just for gaming anymore, unlike Sony and to a lesser degree, Nintendo

Admittedly they are not helping themselves by having this kind of talk continue in discussions and should just flat out come out and say its not gonna be this always on connection for games, because it won't. It's really not helping their brand or image.


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Comment #64 by Seppälä
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:20:14 AM
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The problem is not that a device is always connected. I've several things that is always connected to the internet. The problem is however that I can still use those things when I don't have a connection, and what happens when the servers are being shut down after several years? Your product becomes useless.


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Comment #65 by Bachlott
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:38:09 AM
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I'm of two minds on this. First if it requires an always on Internet connection for games that's just stupid. Most of the time if someone says always on it means the system doesn't really turn off it just goes into sleep mode and if you've got an internet connection at the time it can still do updates and stuff. So you'd benefit from the always on connection.

I think it's obvious Cliffy B can't keep his mouth shut. Probably why he doesn't know much about the new console. But he doesn't realize that a lot of the first adopters are just as much the edge case as the people he thinks he's describing. His "edge case"'s are actually more of the norm.

I really don't think MS is so dumb that they'd effectively kill off a large portion of their potential sales by making the console have to be online at all times.


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Comment #66 by RDrules
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:47:13 AM
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the comparison he came out with again is flawed because needing broadband ultimately is good for us, always online isnt

the need for broadband in consoles stopped people with dial up that was slow and crappy logging onto games sowing them down causing masses of problems that customers have to put up with

always online has 0 benefits for customers and id urge everyone to just not put up with it, dont buy something thats useless without the internet theres no need for it.

sim city and diablo might have sold well but 1st they shouldnt people shouldnt have bought them especially since they actively made those games worse to shoehorn this in, especially sim city. To add it there they had to strip features from the game that have been in it since the start, sim city 4 is a much better game to begin with without the need for a connection.

as customers just dont put up with it, please these companies only try these things as long as we let them.


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Comment #67 by watson360d
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:51:56 AM
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even though like most i am constantly connected to the internet and on the surface 'always online' doesnt seem to different than what i have at the minute.
however really thinking about it, it has the potential to be devastating.

- if im playing a game single player online, a racing game would be a great example, and im on lap 60/78, then the isp does some test on the line or whatever or xbox live goes down for whatever reason. am i just supposed to accept the fact that my console is just going to power down now without the backup of letting it save, so that race is a total waste of time and effort.

- anyone moving home and getting there internet sorted is left without it for maybe up to a few weeks, thats a very expensive plastic brick if you were thinking of playing it.

- then there is download limits and upload limits from internet providers, i can only imagine that if the console wants to have several things running and updating it will eat into that allowance

ofcoure there will be loads more reasons several of which have been posted above all genuine things people will have to put up with.

i dont want to go back to playstation and im not yet sold on the nextbox, i think im gonna stick with the 360 for a while and see how it unfolds.


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Comment #68 by Wolf825
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 07:54:33 AM
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Gotta love these out-of-touch assholes who self-appointed themselves as the voice for all gamers.

Online should always be present on a gaming console as an optional ability. There is no need for it to ever be mandatory. Ever.

Make the super TV-enhanced 720 and just a gaming 720. I'll bet my house vs. your ferrari & wife what sells better.


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Comment #69 by RDrules
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:01:58 AM
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@49 has he made hat much of a contribution really? he made a semi decent platformer years ago and then a string of shooters and doesnt have that much credit to his name other than them.... theyre all fairly decent games but its not like he did anything game changing


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Comment #70 by ZedChuva
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:04:02 AM
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I hate the defending of "always online" by using phones (I've heard others use it). I can turn my phone on airplane/flight mode, and STILL play games, listen to music and watch video.

Next next gen will be 4K only, and only the 0.5% of the population that has 4K ready TVs will be able to use it.

Keep talking industry. You're making my decision to jump off the gaming wagon VERY easy.


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Comment #71 by Oblivion70
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:18:05 AM
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Edge case? Why can't technology advance so that you have a choice. The always on requirement is monetary to force out the used aspect or sharing of games.

their cavalier attitude has completely turned me off for the 720.

Sometimes I like to play single player offline. Nothing wrong with that.



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Comment #72 by Fire Hawk D
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:37:58 AM
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I love all this butt hurt over some guy's musings in his blog.

He's right, by the way. An always-on Xbox would come out, there'd be this huge backlash, lots of media coverage, then it'd continue selling enough to encourage other manufacturers to do the same.

The vocal minority can't halt progress.


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Comment #73 by sm182
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:44:15 AM
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'Unplugging entirely sometimes isn't always a bad thing.' = Deal With It.


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Comment #74 by XxMayhemxX
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:49:40 AM
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Its coming ppl.. get used to it... You know a year from now everyone bitching about it now will get internet, so they can buy the system...

Yeah I don't like it one bit, i wanna play when my internet connection turns off, and it does 2-3 times a day... But we dont make the rules...



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Comment #75 by 41inuyasha
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:50:16 AM
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so your saying I have to pay 500 for the console, then 50 a month for internet, then another 10 if not more for xbox live gold every month. And after all that, if my internet goes out, which happens often, or if i take my xbox to my brothers house or work. I cant play at all. I speak for the whole community when I say this. WE JUST WANT A NEW BOX THAT PLAYS NEW GEN GAMES!!!!! THATS IT!!!!!! We dont care if it can scan my ass cheek or whatever.

Get rid of all these ridiculous upgrades and put the console at 250 and 300 dollars. Microsoft and Sony better start listening to the public. Or there wallets will pay for their stupidity


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Comment #76 by Shadow Phant0m
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:55:11 AM
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Cliff Bleszinski why should we listen to you the guy who made a mess of gears of war just because he didnt like gears 1 and 2 for being a shotgun game who has been fired or in public eyes (forced to leave Epic.


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Comment #77 by RDrules
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:02:18 AM
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@72 i wouldnt count on it, if this happened ms would loose easily.

its not just a matter of us not buying it either if you count that only the few complaining but the snowball effect will harm them seriously take this scenario for instance

MS go always online, this cuts out used game, not having used games alienates all major retailers, ms get less shelf space in stores because its used by consoles that still allow used games, ms look small to customers who buy in store customer buying on a whim (the majority who dont buy day one)buy the ones with the perceived bigger selection in store. i.e. the ones with more games so one that allow used games.

MS sell less

no amount of advertising can overcome that


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Comment #78 by Mikekips
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:07:08 AM
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Another fucked statement from the self appointed voice in gaming for everyone. Seriously this guy is so full of himself it's absurd. I just want him to get out of the gaming industry and move on with his life.


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Comment #79 by InKtOiD
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:08:24 AM
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@68 I'm thinking with that bet you'd be out a house mate.


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Comment #80 by CornishMessiah
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:09:53 AM
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Could've sworn he retired, stop getting involved Bleszinski! Play Golf or whatever people do in early retirement.


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Comment #81 by Layzmaster
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:15:30 AM
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http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/

still dont know why this isnt on here


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Comment #82 by Nihlus87
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:16:04 AM
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"Gotta love these out-of-touch assholes who self-appointed themselves as the voice for all gamers." You said it all my friend.

I wish this guy would shut the fuck up. He's another arrogant knob end, gets a little success and now thinks he's an expert on giving everyone else advice. Be quiet and go back to playing with the girlfriend you probably payed money for.


They seem to have forgotten the saying, the customer knows best. I certainly know best what i want, and will not be buying any future games with microtransactions, any always online devices, or intrusive DRM.


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Comment #83 by pauly_27
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:22:08 AM
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GUY's, GUY's

What if the "always on" part only effects the social/apps part of the new console, and once the game has been registered to the console, it won't matter if you play online or off?

Also, no point in calling Cliff all the names under the sun here, as he won't read it anyway. Why not ask him a question reasonably on twitter if he irks you so much?

I don't agree with all his views either, but he knows more about this business than all of us, so you have to respect that.


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Comment #84 by Exu
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:45:04 AM
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CliffyB's jumped so many sharks you'd think one would have eaten him by now.


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Comment #85 by Earth Djinn
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:57:53 AM
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All you people need to realize two things;

One, none of this is actually confirmed by Microsoft. In any way. At all.

Two, Cliffy B is only commenting on the idea of an always on console. Whether or not you like the idea, he is just commenting on it because it's a hot topic right now, and because he sees it an an eventuality.

Way too many of you are acting like it's now set in stone that it's all or nothing with the next Xbox and it's need for connectivity, when in actuality you have no idea what, if any, limitations it might have regarding a constant connection. So just realize that you are all losing your shit over RUMORS. They might turn out to be true, even though I find that to be super unlikely, but even if they did turn out to be true, they're still nothing more than rumors at this point.

So just chill the fuck out until there is an official announcement from Microsoft, and then have a reaction to that.


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Comment #86 by l.maciver
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 10:17:40 AM
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think ill wait a few months after the X3OX is released. No doubt there will be someone somewhere trying to sue Microsoft when its released.


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Comment #87 by EMP
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 10:18:06 AM
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May God help us all LOL


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Comment #88 by RDrules
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 10:19:33 AM
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@83 then it wouldnt be always on it would have online features... exactly like the 360 does always on means it has to be connected r you cant use it

@85 your 2 things there contradict themselves, we're all taking about t because the idea is a hot topic right now and we hate it... so if cliff b can why are yous o upset that we are?

atm rumours are all we have and its a very persistent rumour so we are going to comment on it... dont like that just dont read the comments to an article about a bloody rumour because if there is an article about it and a comment section there is an amazingly good chance that that comment section will contain reactions to the rumour


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Comment #89 by Pyrochaos
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 10:20:02 AM
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Just when you think Cliffy B can't get any douche-ier. He always exceeds my douchey expectations.


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Comment #90 by Earth Djinn
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 10:34:54 AM
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@88 No they don't contradict themselves. He is talking about it conceptually, like if he were to give his thoughts on the idea of Microsoft buying Nintendo or something. You are all complaining about it and acting as though it's set in stone, and actually happening. Do you really not see the difference there?


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Comment #91 by RDrules
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 10:46:59 AM
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@90 no and heres why:he is commenting on what is coming out, he has no connection to micrsoft at all at the present time and so knows very little more than we do so his comments are about the rumours that we are hearing.

what everyone here is commenting on is the rumour that it will be always on, exactly the same as him, we have the same information as him for the most part and we dont like it.

now im sure at least 99% of people commenting know its a rumour and are commenting anyway, why because its all we have at the moment, sure people arent putting it as well as him because well he wrote a blog and we're commenting on an article, very different writing styles there but in essence its the same thing everyone is writing their thoughts on a rumour.

if MS dont want this then they have to come out with actual details but other wise its the same thing just not put as well... and if he can comment on it so can we of course we could go through and swap "xbox" with "any device" but really its the same argument, always online has 0 benefit to the customer on any single device ever


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Comment #92 by D3VAST8ER
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 10:49:18 AM
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Microsoft really needs to officially reveal the new Xbox, and let us know what they're actually doing with it. They're probably losing a lot of support because of all the rumors and questioning going on.


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Comment #93 by UrdnotCasper
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 10:51:47 AM
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Funny how ppl are complaining on the internet about not having internet connections etc. Just face it most ppl are online gamers. Go on cod gears battlefield etc. There are hundreds of thousands of ppl playing. In cod alone you could count over 500, 000 by going off the playlist numbers. And thats just one fucking game. You think ppl playing off line is greater or even close to a number like that? Hell no. We are in a age where wifi is all around. Heck there are devices u can buy to give urself a connections.


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Comment #94 by BobHarskins
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:02:08 AM
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I just pray that Microsoft realizes how bad this would be for their business and removes that feature, before it's too late.


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Comment #95 by Floorkiller
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:02:26 AM
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I can appreciate the cabin in the woods scenario, unplugged is good sometimes. HOWEVER, I'm not going to support MS if this happens. Last year my internet was down for 3 weeks, and it's BS to say I can't use a machine I'd pay several hundred dollars for just because of that.

So does this guy really think that Diablo 3 sold twice as many copies because it's online only? That doesn't make sense to me.


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Comment #96 by justG0Twicked
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:02:59 AM
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Why does anyone give a FUCK what this 5' idiot has to say about ANYTHING??? Goodbye Cliff!!!!!!!!! Your time is over - please jump off the nearest bridge.


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Comment #97 by Craigimuss
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:03:47 AM
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Pretty F'n thick comments there. Easy to support this feature when you have to kiss the industry's ass to keep your job (or get one) I for one will have no problem not buying any next gen. I haven't had a game in ages that was so good I couldn't stop playing it. Most recent addiction was Persona 4 Golden and even that is an updated PS2 re-release.


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Comment #98 by Bajan Elite
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:08:21 AM
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@59 Everyone will be affected. If your internet drops for whatever reason, the rumor is that the console will stop playing games, even if they are single player games.


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Comment #99 by francisrossi
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:30:23 AM
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"Even if I did I wouldn't go blogging about it like some sort of fool."

Before proceeding to do so...


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Comment #100 by TheRequiem95
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:33:15 AM
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No, the edge case is the very large number of Americans who don't live in big cities and don't have a decent Internet connection to begin with, or a deploying soldier who buys a system to take with him to places with no connection whatsoever. I wish some people would think for two seconds about the market as a whole, rather than only on the way they happen to be connected to things. I live in the Baltimore area, and I will be able to do just fine if the new console is always connected. But the common consumer is not ready to accept a living room console that won't function without a constant Internet connection, and that is going to mean a much smaller user base, which is bad for everyone. And for what? To prevent used game sales? It doesn't add up to me.


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Comment #101 by WalterWhite
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:37:16 AM
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Everyone is speculating on the inevitable switch to an always connected console but I've yet to see anyone list the benefits of doing so.


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Comment #102 by Loquacious B
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:49:09 AM
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I personally think always-online is a big mistake however, how well the console sells may well hinge on what other features it has over the competition (PS4).

I really think that Microsoft has something up their sleeve because they've been suspiciously hush-hush about everything and it seems to me that the reason they're playing their cards so close to their chest is that they want to keep things under wraps until the last minute so it's too late for Sony to do anything to counter it. I could be wrong, but Microsoft are far from stupid, Sony on the other hand has a history of not learning from their mistakes or listening to what the consumer wants. We'll see how it pans out after everything comes out and when the FACTS are known, that's the point at which I'll make my decision on whether it's PS4 or the new Xbox for me. Bottom line, all this speculation is bullshit, because we don't have any confirmation of anything yet.


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Comment #103 by chrishaney23
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:51:35 AM
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Always online better equal FREE Xbox LIVE !


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Comment #104 by Cinderkin
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:51:40 AM
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Even if the rumors about always online are false I still won't be buying the next xbox. Why? They only produce 3 games now! They've pissed off almost all the Indie Devs with their ridiculous prices just to patch a game.

While Sony is realizing their past mistakes and are welcoming Indie devs and more to join the platform so that WE THE GAMERS will have GAMES to play. I mean that is what we are GAMERS. I want a console that will offer me a lot of games to play.

Sick of Forza, Gears, and Halo. I really am.


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Comment #105 by Metal DJ
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:54:38 AM
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Technology cannot move forward/evolve when you constantly have to appeal to the lowest common denomonator of people who have "shaky" internet.


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Comment #106 by Dlark17
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:54:55 AM
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The guy is always in the know, and I generally have Cliff's back. This one I'm iffy on still, but I'm glad he articulated it in an even-handed manner.
Honestly, he's right: this is going to happen some day, whether we like it or not. I'm not a fan of always being connected online for anything (I've set restrictions on myself for amount of Facebook posts per day, I have shied away from smartphones both for price and the impulse to always be checking sites or whathaveyou on the go, etc.), but history has shown me that just because I'm not in favor, or even if a good size of the community isn't in favor, changes happen, and exceedingly fast in technology and gaming.
Would such a decision push me back to PlayStation, thereby sacrificing a huge cash investment, my achievements and several games I look forward into taking to next-gen (I'll cry to not have my Witcher 2 files)? Probably. But that's not the end of the world, and even Sony's going to make the move someday.
As our technology increases, things are going to quickly move past us. It's probably only decades before we're all constantly wired in to the internet, and a good connection is as mundane and necessary as running water.
First world problems, indeed.


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Comment #107 by Dr Popodopolus
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 12:26:20 PM
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I think that people without a constant internet should be eliminated from existence on Earth


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Comment #108 by Apollo Lv2
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 12:26:52 PM
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So people who do not play online at all are FORCED to dish out extra money, just as we are FORCED to rely on our internet provider? And what happens when xbox decides to perform maintenance? How will we play then? I'll wait until MS does their reveal, and if everything is true, MS just lost a loyal customer


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Comment #109 by K3V0RK14N
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 12:29:31 PM
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I won't be buying the new console if it's always online. A lot of you are saying the same thing, but my question is how many of you will actually stick to your guns on this?


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Comment #110 by DeadlySinz86
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 12:43:31 PM
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Let's be real ... with this "Always-Online" proving to be this much of a headache for gamers, if it does happen, it'll only be a matter of time before people learn how to mod their consoles, so they DON'T have to be Always-Online. Because afterall, this "Always-Online" nonsence can only be software related and software can be broken. Like jail-breaking an Iphone for instance.


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Comment #111 by smacd
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 12:48:05 PM
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Ok, if he thinks this is the future, then fine. Lets see what happens when Microsoft goes ahead with this and is completely killed by the console(s) that don't have this as a requirement. As a consumer, I see zero benefit for a console I would use primarily for single-player offline games (RPGs) to be online always. And if my single-player offline games won't work when my console isn't connected, I will not be spending my money on that console. The joys of capitalism, bad ideas WILL fail.


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Comment #112 by Hayabusa66
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 12:48:13 PM
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Shut up Cliff, you are such an Orth !!!

MS wants to invade my livingroom with an always online console ?
WELL LET THEM TRY !!!


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Comment #113 by n0b0dyz
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 12:56:15 PM
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wikipedia says: there are 76 million xbox360s sold to date. there are 40 million xbox live members, assuming that is both gold and silver accounts, and that xbox720 follows the same sales pattern, going to always online would cut their sales in half. doesn't seem too smart to me


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Comment #114 by RedstoneFanatic
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 12:58:12 PM
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"Diablo 3, the poster child of a messy launch, is estimated to be at 12 million units. I would bet money that without the always online elements of Diablo 3 that it would have sold half of that."

Yes, I'm absolutely sure that with everyone going "I wish this game wasn't always-online" that the game would have sold half the copies if it wasn't.


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Comment #115 by BrandAid1138
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 01:01:30 PM
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i guarantee every single person bitching about this will have the next generation xbox, no doubt about it. sheeples.


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Comment #116 by quaneylfc
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 01:28:11 PM
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shut it cliff...


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Comment #117 by SasileUchiha92
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 01:50:09 PM
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Why does this guys option deserve a whole article? Who does whatever this guy say all of sudden become big news? He's not God or anything. He's options don't mean shit.


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Comment #119 by CyRu5 7h3 ViRu5
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 04:46:04 PM
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this is a thing to live life by Believe nothing you hear and little that you see. and that is something that I take to heart when it comes to Cliffy B after him and Epic lied about getting rid of the host advantage from GOW 3.. That's the reason I never bought GOW: Judgment.


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Comment #120 by capnovan
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 04:51:28 PM
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Advancing technology? I thought this was about SELLING technology. In which case, yes you need to worry about the "edge case."


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Comment #121 by The Kingslayer
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 05:13:13 PM
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I know it's inevitable but right now it's not ideal because alot of people don't have great broadband speeds or great connections. As long as it wasn't mandatory I'd be fine with it but this rumor of shutting down after being disconnected for three minutes worries me.


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Comment #122 by chizrocker88
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 06:21:55 PM
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Can someone explain to me what the "pro" is for always being online? What does Microsoft or developers etc gain from *requiring* everyone to be online 24/7? It just seems unnecessary to me. I'm honestly curious so if anyone can shed light on that to me I'd appreciate it.


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Comment #123 by Russman
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 08:23:04 PM
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See this is the problem. Big name companies who once had people on their payrolls get them to back the bone headed moves they are making. Then the sheep just go along with it and say "well it's inevitable so why not?" and we have the same thing like the COD map packs where they know they can do what they want and people will still pay.


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Comment #124 by Kyusskiller
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 09:30:12 PM
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Just a quick question. Who here knows 100% if it's going to be always online?....... Nobody? I don't know one way or the other, but I do know better than to believe a rumor. Don't be surprised when you see you've been mislead about this. Some people are reacting to this with the fury of a guy who caught his neighbors fingering his dog. It's an internet rumor, get a grip.


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Comment #125 by RDrules
Friday, April 12, 2013 @ 11:47:48 PM
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@122 there are a lot of benefits for them in doing it most of which come down to the fact that if you have to connect to their servers then they can control everything you do, first they can control their prices for game since you need a connection they can edge out any cheaper alternatives (used games, renting, piracy etc) with it acting like DRM. again piracy they can cut down on that which in their mind means more sales even though there is no proof for that. they can control hat you have access to and for how ling for example being able to shut off services as and when they choose so you have to buy the newer products, they can track everything you use the console for and use that information to sell you more... i can go on there are quite a lot of benefits on their end... only problem is none of them are benefits for the customers


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Comment #126 by Nitnoid
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 05:06:46 AM
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Why is this clown being quoted for his opinion about ANYTHING? Didn't he retire?


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Comment #127 by Ninja Sandman
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 07:51:00 AM
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I love how this entire generation all the developers and console makers have spent so much time and money trying to figure out what it would take to keep gamers connected to consoles and "addicted" if you will. Like using dlc putting up apps like facebook and netflix and the point is they are saying to us never turn your console off never stop playing my specific game and if you are about to I'll drop a new weapon/map in dlc so you cant stop. Then after all these years they've done this and it was never a secret they said they were doing this very proudly as if they'd unlocked all gamers physcological profiles....then the assholes turn around and say hey if you lose internet and cant play on your console just go to a cabin in the woods for a week and forget you payed 500+ dollars for a non working device.What the fuck kind of contradiction is that? It's looking like the end of my favorite hobby since I first saved a princess from bowsers castle.


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Comment #128 by Belmont360
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 11:38:13 AM
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Cliffy B tend to say this random things on his blog when his wife isn't giving him head.


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Comment #129 by ajennice
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 12:24:04 PM
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OK, he mentions Diablo3...PC game, which most Pc's are usually online no matter what through old dial up or boradband. Also being PC there were/are alot of always on work arounds... So let's not use a PC platform gamne in this issue.
He notes the chance XBOX made for broadband only.. Not a chance, but at that time, MS knew that dial up was on it's way out and opted to not include the capability for dial up onthe original xbox. That choice also left a good amount of xbox owners outside not able to get LIVE ( i was one of them). The players STILL bought and played games locally.

"some sort of solid internet connection.." Would he be willing to throw any amount of cash that this is even FEESIBLE??? Depending on your region (Speaking of midwest US and apalachian area), I know of places where there is NO cell coverage, NO cable, NO city water..etc. How would these people get a SOLID connection if their local carries won't even cover that area.

Has anyone ever lost their internet due to an outqage, technical issue, pole down...etc? As a gamer and a consumer, I don't think it's ethical for the end user's satisfaction of a product to depend on the reliability of a thrid party's service. If I buy a console and game, I do not want to worry about my ISP going onthe fritz and resulting in me not being able to play a game I spent money for.
In some cases depending if you live in condos, apartments or just areas that offer it, you do not have a standard internet hard line. You share via wifi. In this case you're IP can change everytime you turn on your console. This along with the ABSOLUTE lack of opening ports for the LIVE would render you unavailable for online play anyhow. This to me is a blatnet alienation of some players who simply do not have the means to get a broadband ISP connection.
I've said this before that if "always on" is implemented, you'll see a spike in the number of pirated machines. Once somone gets a work around having a constant connection and it's on the net, you'll see everyone who cares less about online play flocking to this. We all know the one time use of the disk will have a work around within a month of th econsole hitting the shelves.
I've got no issues with keeping the 360 and choosing not to get the newer platforms. If it's "always on" I'll hold out until a work around is found, then decide.


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Comment #130 by ajennice
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 12:43:47 PM
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#52 - Market research and MS don't go hand in hand. MS is a media, cash grubbing company, who cares little abou tthe consumer ( call customer service for anything you think you'd get some sympathy over and see) I'm sure they ddin't survey the consumer about "required" updates, HAVING to install all the 3rd party entertainment apps, a limited HDD, and other things the 360 has or is limited to through MS authorized licensing.. but they did it anyways. Players will spew negativities then rush out to get the new console, just to say they have it.

#63 - i thin MS isn't stupid, but they hold ALL the cards. They know they could throw out a NON warrantied console and say it has a 99% failure rating nad people would stil buy it. Get a wronful ban, a scratched disk from teh console, a RROD a day past warranty....etc and see how they come to the rescue.. They deny, charge, and hang up on you. AND 99% of the time the consumer takes it int eh back door and buys a replacement product again and again. Ms is saying.. if you wan the newest and greatest thing, it this or nothing. People who hate this will fold!

#85 - MS won;t confirm anything yet. Why throw out a fact that will turn players off or give a competitor an edge. IF both Sony and MS keep this under wraps and say nothing official, they play chess with each other on creating a better platfor which will outsell the other. They didn't confirm the RROD being an effect of poor design.. but it was. they didn't confirm the MW3/HALO3 banwave a ploy to ban consoles just before launch so they would storm the stores to buy new consoes.. but it was. They didn't confirm that the 360 scratched disks.. but a federal court did. See the pattern? If it benefits MS they will march up and down the street yelling it, if it hurt them, they will deny it all day long.

Lastly, more and more areas are going from a monthly unlimited bandwidth charge to a pay per use plan. Like cell phones some areas have packages that set you with x GB of bandwidth before having to pay for more or going on pay as you go basis. What do those people do? Fork out a ton of cash for playing ifyour consoe is used alot beacuse you've got kids that play, roomies, or you're just on 10 hrs a day? Or get bent over the barrel in buying add on Bandwidth everytime you go over? Shit thing is these people throwing their 2 cents ou tthere are people who either do not even pay games, have enough cash to not worry, live in an area where broadband RELIABILITY isn't an issue, or get all their crap comped from their work and simply do care becasue it's not out of their pocket.


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Comment #131 by XxStuartxX 1990
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 02:42:49 PM
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I find it funny, that ever since this whole online only thing has cropped up, my xbox has started to struggle to connect, my PC and PS3 are working fine, but my Xbox is struggling like hell, I test the connection, and it says it's fine but it struggles to actually connect sometimes getting stuck on the load up for about ten minutes before failing.


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Comment #132 by pauly_27
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 04:50:41 PM
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@#131

Currently, Xbox is down for me in the UK, and a quick trawl of forums suggests I'm not the only one.

Which leads me to my next point - imagine how angry people will get if they can't play their games due to the service being down?

I find it hard to believe that you will have to be online all the time to simply just play your games.


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Comment #133 by m1138147
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 06:56:11 PM
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why so much hate. by the way to all who say Microsoft is this and that sony in no beter even worse on many context. this mitgh be a strategy to sweep sony of ther feet. I swear it always this is too pricy. ohh the this wont do this . ohh yess btw stop the over sensation


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Comment #134 by m1138147
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 06:56:11 PM
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why so much hate. by the way to all who say Microsoft is this and that sony in no beter even worse on many context. this mitgh be a strategy to sweep sony of ther feet. I swear it always this is too pricy. ohh the this wont do this . ohh yess btw stop the over sensation


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Comment #135 by m1138147
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 06:56:11 PM
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why so much hate. by the way to all who say Microsoft is this and that sony in no beter even worse on many context. this mitgh be a strategy to sweep sony of ther feet. I swear it always this is too pricy. ohh the this wont do this . ohh yess btw stop the over sensation


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Comment #136 by m1138147
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 06:56:11 PM
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why so much hate. by the way to all who say Microsoft is this and that sony in no beter even worse on many context. this mitgh be a strategy to sweep sony of ther feet. I swear it always this is too pricy. ohh the this wont do this . ohh yess btw stop the over sensation


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Comment #137 by m1138147
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 06:56:11 PM
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why so much hate. by the way to all who say Microsoft is this and that sony in no beter even worse on many context. this mitgh be a strategy to sweep sony of ther feet. I swear it always this is too pricy. ohh the this wont do this . ohh yess btw stop the over sensation


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Comment #138 by m1138147
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 06:56:11 PM
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why so much hate. by the way to all who say Microsoft is this and that sony in no beter even worse on many context. this mitgh be a strategy to sweep sony of ther feet. I swear it always this is too pricy. ohh the this wont do this . ohh yess btw stop the over sensation


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Comment #139 by m1138147
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 06:56:12 PM
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why so much hate. by the way to all who say Microsoft is this and that sony in no beter even worse on many context. this mitgh be a strategy to sweep sony of ther feet. I swear it always this is too pricy. ohh the this wont do this . ohh yess btw stop the over sensation


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Comment #140 by m1138147
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 06:57:13 PM
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oh shit my bad I made a mistake first time


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Comment #141 by Slayinfool
Saturday, April 13, 2013 @ 10:12:44 PM
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I will not buy the new xbox if its always online, simple. My internet craps out all the time. If i cant even play a game offline, then the console becomes a useless box on my shelf. Im not spending money on that. FU..


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Comment #142 by Adam Corela
Sunday, April 14, 2013 @ 02:31:36 PM
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Annnnnnd.......Cue Blezinski once again randomly commenting on the current hot issue to stay relevant.


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Comment #143 by TeAmExTrEmE737
Sunday, April 14, 2013 @ 06:43:02 PM
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Maybe make online free for xbox then it'd be okay. I do agree with Cliff, it's good to unplug, people don't need to play 24/7 of their lives.


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Comment #144 by ajennice
Sunday, April 14, 2013 @ 08:18:11 PM
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#141 - no, but it's THEIR choice!




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Comment #145 by Delow317
Sunday, April 14, 2013 @ 08:21:27 PM
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@ 143, that's a pipedream dude. MS is never going to make live free and If I had to guess, PSN isn't going to be free forever either whether its a combination of PSN+ or not. I'm getting really sick to death of all these MS doom and gloom preditions.

Paying online for a superior service to play my games, an interface and controller that I vastly prefer has never been a problem for me. However, I have a huge problem with the Gold Paywall to use apps.

If.. and this is a big if.. If Sony does go free (which I doubt they will with all these extras like game sharing and Gaikai streaming) and has every single feature and ease of use that I get when I boot up XBL, then I'll consider making the jump to Sony again.



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Comment #146 by Kivlov
Monday, April 15, 2013 @ 02:30:59 AM
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What a bunch of retards. I dont know about anyone else, but personally I extremely dislike the fact of not fully owning a game or movie. If I have to buy it individually I want full control of that product, otherwise it may as well just be a subscription service to allow you to stream any game you want, and honestly, why bother paying for anything if they can decide to take it away from you at any moment.

That is why it is bullshit regardless of connectivity, besides, I aint going to be playing some bollocks hardcore difficulty for my net to die and then lose all progress.

Maybe in some future that internet speed is so good and that it is literally impossible to disconnect then maybe but even still I want to own what I buy especially for those prices.

It is a moneygrabbing scheme, nothing more. There is NO reason to force it on people other than to deny people access if they so please.


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Comment #147 by TheGreyMan
Monday, April 15, 2013 @ 04:39:47 AM
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I hope that the actual spec allows far more flexibility than these reports would suggest, with more recognition of what the real world is actually like. As an example, I was unable to connect to XBL for at least 12 hours this weekend, even though the system was apparently online (albeit with service alerts showing on some features). Would I, as a long-term paying customer, have been happy to be prevented from playing my offline games that I have already paid for, on a console that I have already paid for, games which do not *require* an internet connection to function (despite that in itself being a service I have already paid for)? No I would not.


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Comment #148 by Skelix
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:50:59 AM
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They can stick their 720 in their collective asses. I'm already done with it before it even comes out, if M$ hasn't squashed this bullshit yet, then it's obviously true.

I plan on playing the 360 until they find a way to turn that off, always on is stupid and enrages me.

How many dumb fucks are going to buy this system, without even realizing they need to have an always on internet to use it? They will buy a useless product and won't be able to return it. Let's face it the Best Buy employees aren't going to advertise it.

Shit between this and Windows 8 I should start shorting M$ stock. They are trying to destroy the company!


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Comment #149 by Destro
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:48:26 PM
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I hope its never gonna happen, as sometimes you don't have internet(provider has a problem etc) and you still want to enjoy your RPG that don't even need to be online in the first place(for exemple TES). Not to mention you can travel a lot and still carry your consol, yet not being able to have an internet acces. I know a guy that own a 360 yet he only game with friends on Need for Speed, Hockey Games and such... he is not too much interested in shooters and online stuff, so why bothering plugging it on live.


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