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Halo 4 Update to Beef Up Weapons, Says 343 Industries
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343 Industries is looking to adjust the balance of Halo 4‘s weapons and vehicles in a future update.

While not finalised, much of the developer’s efforts have gone into counteracting the powerful Designated Marksman Rifle, not by nerfing it but by increasing the capabilities of the game’s other weapons.

“Looking at the DMR,” 343 explained, “we currently feel that the kill time should remain unchanged, as the weapon has become a clear favorite amongst the community due to its reliability and consistency. 

“So tuning the Battle Rifle, LightRifle and Carbine against this weapon presented quite a challenge.”

As a result, the Battle Rifle’s kill time may be reduced from five to four shots, along with a decreased rate of fire. The Light Rifle’s range could be increased to that of the DMR and the Carbine’s kill time might be reduced from eight shots to seven.

Meanwhile, 343 is considering beefing up a number of weapons with a damage boost, including the Warthog and Mantis chain-guns, the Assault Rifle,  the Suppressor and the Storm Rifle. This should all result in a faster pace of matches.

You can find more on the proposed update over on Halo Waypoint.


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Comment #1 by Spanish Assault
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:38:04 AM
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I dont think it would help me....I really suck online.

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Comment #2 by Nevander
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:38:16 AM
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Take notes other developers. This is how you do things. Don't nerf the good shit, beef the other things instead! Good show 343.

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Comment #3 by Anubis Arcane
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:39:15 AM
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Wow that is certainly a different stance for a developer to take. Beefing up other weapons rather then nerfing a clear community favorite. Other developers should take note.

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Comment #4 by XxStuartxX 1990
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:45:27 AM
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This sounds like a bad idea to me, to combat an OP weapon, they make more weapons OP, LMFAO.

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Comment #5 by ICEMAN22D
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:49:48 AM
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Well got rid of this game after getting all the achivo's....pitty as I would have love to play with beefed up weapons....Doh!

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Comment #6 by The Bum-Mobile
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:53:39 AM
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The issue is that it requires same amount of shots from both the BR and the DMR, but the latter was more accurate and had a higher rate of fire. It's a god gun. Literally, when I get back into Halo after not playing for a week or two I say to myself "I want some kills" and put on the DMR. BR will always be my go-to, out of nostalgia, but the fact that they're only fixing it at this point is a bit silly.

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Comment #7 by StinkyPete2021
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:55:13 AM
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Man I loved using the DMR but hate running out of bullets and being left with a pistol. Seeing how the other guns might become as powerful as the DMR, whatever gun is the most popular is the one that I will be switching to now.

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Comment #8 by UltimateAuron32
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:56:40 AM
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okay, i can live with this, still think people will just use the N00B cannon DMR, but can see some people using the other weapons too. i use the DMR cos every other bastard does, its all you can do to counter it, but this will make me go back to other weapons.

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Comment #9 by Lou Keymia
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:03:00 AM
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All they need is to reduce the bullet magnetism of the DMR. That's it.

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Comment #10 by sabinfleth
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:05:55 AM
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@4 If they make everything OP doesn't that mean they'll all just be average?

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Comment #11 by XxStuartxX 1990
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:14:04 AM
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In a way yes, but the whole reason I hate COD is because of how quickly you die in MP, it basically turns into a game of who sees who first.

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Comment #12 by Hybridchld
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:15:14 AM
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@2 Well said!

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Comment #13 by ThoracicKez
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:17:18 AM
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@4 it's not op if everything is the same

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Comment #14 by pined5551
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:19:51 AM
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I still miss my M16 A2 from Bad Company 2. Once that got nerfed the online just didn't feel the same.

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Comment #15 by ModernSith2010
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:28:15 AM
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I thought they released a patch that would allow them to to nerf and beef up weapons via hotfixes?

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Comment #16 by pnutosan
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:33:39 AM
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Hooray! Reasons for people to use other weapons!

I may actually start playing it again if this goes through ;p

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Comment #17 by ronnie42
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:34:07 AM
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So ruining the LightRifle and Carbine by turning it another dmr is the solution? wtf! It's bs like this why nobody goes in vehicles much anymore unless there trying to get achievements because driving in a warthog or flying in the banshee, dieing after 5 seconds due to dmr's blowing it up is not fun. It's like 343i never bothered listening to the fans. The dmr is overpowered so instead of toning it down they make everything else OP too wtf. That's the sort of crap I would have expect from 'Larry Pratt' aka the one who wants guns in schools for teachers that can barely cope with the kids!

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Comment #18 by XxStuartxX 1990
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:39:45 AM
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@13 read my comment 11

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Comment #19 by Feared Despair
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:48:14 AM
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Why aint they adding the black ops 2 ahievements

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Comment #20 by Artemis
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:59:19 AM
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If you did not mess with the BR in the first place we would not have this problem now would we?

Sorry inner fanboy rant!

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Comment #21 by KrisXX
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:01:40 AM
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I love achievements too, but I also like to enjoy games and not instantly stop playing or sell the game when I get 1000/1000.

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Comment #22 by MadAdam81
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:08:42 AM
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Halo fanboys "The DMR is too powerful. Plus, I want my pistol that kills in three shots."

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Comment #23 by l.maciver
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:13:47 AM
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#19, i think your in the wrong place

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Comment #24 by BiggD
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:14:53 AM
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Too bad I never play Halo anymore lol. It's just not the same, despite me being among the biggest of Halo fans.

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Comment #25 by Andreas_loel
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:28:59 AM
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@4 Most/if not all weapons in MW2 are overpowered, and there are quite a few that say that is the best Cod game.

Personally i think they should just remove the DMR, Halo = Battle rifle and power weapons.

DMR the sole reason why Reach fell, now its killing Halo 4 online with its filthy presence

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Comment #26 by Feggans222
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:37:04 AM
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@8 You can't call the DMR a "NOOB Cannon" and then say 'Oh, I just use it because everyone else does'. That's really hypocritical.
OT: This is good, hopefully we will see some people using different weapons. Even still, you do required some degree of skill to use the DMR, and it is not OP in the same sense as, say, the PDW or MSMC in Black Ops 2.

And for all the people whinging that "343 ruined Halo waaahhhh", I've been playing since Halo CE, and I personally find that Halo 4 is the most fun game of the series. Seriously, stop clogging up every Halo news story with your snivelling fanboy rants.

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Comment #27 by Anthrizacks
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:46:01 AM
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Umm...interesting approach, but the main issue with Halo 4 is that people already die too fast.

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Comment #28 by elKazaam
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:48:21 AM
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2 late, the game sucks and is dead. hope it will be killed soon so they get on to make hopefully a real halo. not that pussy-cat-dolls halo.

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Comment #29 by Hudson888
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:48:40 AM
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@2 nerfing one thing will have the same effect as beefing up everything else. The outcome is still balancing the weapons.... This way you will just die quicker.

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Comment #30 by ReklezZTrini
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 09:17:38 AM
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@ #4
The reason it was OP is because the other weapons performed better. If they made those other weapons on par with the DMR, it is no longer OP. STFU.

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Comment #31 by Hurricane Of 87
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 09:26:02 AM
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This game is still on my shelf a month after buying it. At least I know which weapon to start my MP career with though. :)

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Comment #32 by roza
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 09:27:24 AM
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@5 You can get it for like £15 now

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Comment #33 by Diego9
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 09:30:26 AM
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Nice, I hope they do this soon.

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Comment #34 by ronnie42
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 09:35:21 AM
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@26 completly agree with you there.

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Comment #35 by L1E
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 09:35:58 AM
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The AR does not need any beefing up, that thing is insane already in close range.

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Comment #36 by GrandTheftAuto
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 09:38:28 AM
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343: "lets make the dmr weaker"
community: "never! never! never! are you stupid ?"
343: "ok. lets make the other weapons more powerful"

the br is strong enough, they shouldnt push it

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Comment #37 by ZzZCrossyZzZ
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 09:44:00 AM
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Hopefully they'll beef the other weapons up to find the perfect balance between them all, then see how the community is finding the gameplay with more powerful weapons. If it's become more like COD and dying too fast then they can do a full decrease of weapon power, but still keep that perfect balance. 343i seem to listen to their community, fingers crossed they keep these updates going!

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Comment #38 by UltimateAuron32
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 10:06:07 AM
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@26 i realize its hypocritical, but i play to win, if i use my PREFERRED weapons, Light-rifle/Suppressor my kills get reduced by about a third while my deaths increase by about the same.

you cant win unless you use the stupid DMR, it take one less bullet to kill, has no recoil to speak of and is scoped for presicion head-shots.

how else can you win but use the same boring weapon? you cant, its why stopped playing Halo 4.

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Comment #39 by Mikekips
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 10:14:53 AM
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Instead of this they should have added a greater amount of recoil to the DMR. In Reach at least you had to take time to aim a bit when you used the DMR in succession and it should have been the same in this game that or just decrease the damage of the DMR.

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Comment #40 by DDDLOTS
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 10:21:33 AM
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I just don't see the DMR being that overpowered. I can usually beat a DMR with the BR almost 80% of the time. If it's a really long range duel however the DMR wins, but it doesn't have shield-gating or push-back like the BR does. I think it's balanced fine. Haters should try practicing more with other guns.

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Comment #41 by THC BLUNTED
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 10:42:09 AM
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@25 That is exactly how I feel! The DMR is one of the reasons I quit playing reach, along with the terrible armor abilities. I have yet to start playing Halo 4 but I know all this DMR crap is going to piss me off. Like you said, Halo = Battle Rifle and power weapons!

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Comment #42 by Zaku77
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 11:06:50 AM
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They put in the ability to respawn quicker, and now they are making you die quicker. This is NOT what Halo is supposed to be about. They are changing the ebb and flow of the multiplayer, and this type of shit is exactly what everyone was worried about. I don't want Call of Halo.

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Comment #43 by Rickmassacre
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 11:12:14 AM
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Aw i love the dmr

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Comment #44 by tripleb2k
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 11:39:37 AM
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Buff the Promethean weapons in the Campaign! It's like killing enemies with a nerf gun.

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Comment #45 by GrabbiT
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 12:16:15 PM
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They should not make player die faster. I love the feel of the DMR..
I hope they do not power up the other weapons and power down the DMR.

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Comment #46 by darkenednight
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 01:14:47 PM
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Buffing the Assault Rifle, Storm Rifle, and Suppressor would be a bad play, considering their current DPS.

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Comment #47 by dusty125
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 01:26:36 PM
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I play with the DMR because I like precision weapons, but I've never had an automatic edge over everyone else because of it. Most people I see when I play are using the AR, which is ridiculously powerful sometimes, and most of the time, I get killed by them before I can unload 3 shots. I think making the AR stronger is a bad move, but I haven't seen enough evidence to consider the DMR a god weapon, and I've put a lot of hours into MP.

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Comment #48 by THC BLUNTED
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 01:45:29 PM
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Do my Halo 3 skills transfer over to Halo 4 even with the OP DMR?

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Comment #49 by cbssi
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 03:22:44 PM
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They just have to be careful to not make kill times TOO fast...

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Comment #50 by Ereaser NL
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 03:30:02 PM
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@46 Can't get a kill with the damn supressor myself! xD With the other automatic rifles I do fine though!

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Comment #51 by Off The WaLL
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 03:51:58 PM
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I am a BR user. I love burst fire weapons.


DMR is for killing & stay away from the action.
BR is for defense & rushing

Both weapons are great.

but i seriously think BR takes more skill to win 1v1 duels

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Comment #52 by SHADOW KANKURO
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 04:08:08 PM
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I really like how 343 manage the Multiplayer Balance and Experience and my personal fav. Precision Weapon is the Covenant Carbine - he fires so fast :D

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Comment #53 by MisterBlasty
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 04:14:17 PM
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I still play Halo 4 even though after getting all three DLC map packs, all nineteen levels (And the absolutely terrible forge maps) are my least favorite multiplayer maps since the original Halo. Halo: Reach did it right by creating that huge Forge World which allowed hundreds of maps to be created for the multiplayer over the years. In terms of the DMR being overpowered, I try not to play these weapons. I was a DMR guy with previous Halos but now I live and die with the Covenant Carbine. It is amazing how quickly you can shoot that weapon if you have an itchy trigger finger. I will give 343 credit for one thing. At least they are continuing to fix and adjust the game. More developers should take note of this.

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Comment #54 by The Grim Dealer
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 04:18:55 PM
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They need to lower the DMR's range, not increase the Light Rifle's.

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Comment #55 by Viperous
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 04:18:57 PM
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My my, sorry 343 but its a little late for that. You already lost all of your hardcore halo fans by now. Fixing things that should have already been fixed now isn't going to help. Remove the staying scoped while being shot. Add ranked PLAYLIST, not random ranks to a flawed MM system. Joining a game that already lost, then you go down a rank? Ew! Then the fact that the ranks in some playlist are based on personal skill rather than the win. *did we not learn anything by halo reach arena?

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Comment #56 by Viperous
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 04:20:35 PM
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Forgot to add, the only reason why the dmr is actually so strong is because you can literally camp across the map and just sit in one spot and out shoot everyone as because you don't get scoped out when you get shot.

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Comment #57 by Slayinfool
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 04:55:25 PM
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Good, maybe oll actually enjoy the mp now? Sick of being DMRDMRDMRDMRDMR to death..

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Comment #58 by Mrryan12
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:50:44 PM
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So instead of changing just a single weapon, they decide to change multiple in order to get the same effect? Hope you're right about this Bungie, not that I don't trust you or anything. I just think this was done so that people can still argue "DMR wasn't nerfed".

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Comment #59 by StaggeredCheese
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 08:45:35 PM
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shame i have stopped playing it for the exact reason of the DMR being overpowered i my have to go back on a see if things are a bit more even now. It is stupid that they have just made everything else overpowered

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Comment #60 by W1cked Seraph
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 10:23:32 PM
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@5 if all weapons are OP then none of them are

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Comment #61 by xMEGADETHxSLY
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 11:19:24 PM
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I've won several battles with BR vs DMR. But DMR is the king

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Comment #62 by Destro
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 12:00:51 AM
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always tough Halo was too slow of a game... i hate how you got to fire a freaking clip to kill somebody... i may have a look back at the game after that... but i doubt it will change much. Its funny how i think the best thing in Halo is the campaign followed by the special ops, while on COD i never even played zombie on BO2, and i don't like much horde/survival on GOW(played for medals, pretty much sum it up) I don't know, there is something about the halo matchmaking i just hate. And Swat is something i actually liked, but i got tired of the maps very quickly, considering only 1 is truly fun for that. Hate swat on complex(too open), Haven(too much direction to get shot at) or much of the other maps. The only one i actually like is Adrift, tough its perfect for SWAT. But i miss SWORD BASE, or a bunch of maps from Reach or Halo 3(but there was some i hated too, but at least i felt there was more maps)

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Comment #63 by Restricted-Access
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 12:12:20 AM
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It ISN'T Bungie! Are you still playing Halo 3, ODST or Reach?!!

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Comment #64 by ZzZCrossyZzZ
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 02:44:36 AM
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@62 Orbital from Halo 3, best SWAT map ever.

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Comment #65 by BruTaLyZe
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 03:10:43 AM
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The subtitle made me think that they'll downgrade the DMR. Thankfully they don't though. Good approach by 343, and nice of them to actually listen.

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Comment #66 by P1 Groupe Italia
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 08:07:07 AM
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Agreed, 65.

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Comment #67 by ManiacCODS
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 @ 09:23:13 AM
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enough said

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Comment #68 by Boraja
Tuesday, June 04, 2013 @ 08:54:50 PM
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@29, I completely agree with you. I was playing this today and it sucks. COD damage mixed with Halo gameplay does not mix. They should have made the DMR take 1 more shot to kill people, and have the only reason to use it be range and accuracy. As for the rest of the guns, The assault rifle was perfect as it was. Give the BR less accuracy, good improvement for the carbine. The grenades are waay too powerful now, especially with grenadier and explosives.

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