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Ex-BioWare Writer Discusses Abandoned Mass Effect Trilogy Ending
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This is interesting. Speaking on gaming radio show VGS, the lead writer of Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 has discussed an abandoned concept for the trilogy’s ending.

Drew Karpyshyn left BioWare shortly before work on Mass Effect 2 was complete, but not before an outline for the third game’s conclusion had been sketched out.

According to Karpyshyn, the plot revolved around the spread of Dark Energy, something mentioned in Mass Effect 2 but not really built upon after that. 

"Dark Energy was something that only organics could access because of various techno-science magic reasons we hadn't decided on yet,” Karpyshyn. 

“Maybe using this Dark Energy was having a ripple effect on the space-time continuum. Maybe the Reapers kept wiping out organic life because organics keep evolving to the state where they would use biotics and dark energy and that caused an entropic effect that would hasten the end of the universe. Being immortal beings, that's something they wouldn't want to see.

"Then we thought, let's take it to the next level. Maybe the Reapers are looking at a way to stop this. Maybe there's an inevitable descent into the opposite of the Big Bang (the Big Crunch) and the Reapers realise that the only way they can stop it is by using biotics, but since they can't use biotics they have to keep rebuilding society - as they try and find the perfect group to use biotics for this purpose. The Asari were close but they weren't quite right, the Protheans were close as well.

"Again it's very vague and not fleshed out, it was something we considered but we ended up going in a different direction."

The abandoned story has been discussed before, leading some fans to believe that it would have provided a more satisfying conclusion than that  of Mass Effect 3. But Karpyshyn isn’t convinced.

"I find it funny that fans end up hearing a couple things they like about it and in their minds they add in all the details they specifically want," he said. 

"It's like vapourware - vapourware is always perfect, anytime someone talks about the new greatest game. It's perfect until it comes out. I'm a little weary about going into too much detail because, whatever we came up with, it probably wouldn't be what people want it to be."

Among the chatter, Karpyshyn also discussed some other, crazier, abandoned ideas.

"Some of the ideas were a little bit wacky and a little bit crazy,” he said. “At one point we thought that maybe Shepard could be an alien but didn't know it. But we then thought that might be a little too close to [Knights of the Old Republic’s] Revan."

Interestingly, Karpyshyn also discussed an idea he had for the opening of Mass Effect 2 which may have had an influence on Mass Effect 3‘s ending. There’s spoilers in this quote so watch out.

"There was some ideas that maybe Shepard gets his essence transferred into some kind of machine," said Karpyshyn, “becoming a cyborg and becoming a bridge between synthetics and organics - which is a theme that does play up in the game. At one point we thought, maybe that's how he survives into Mass Effect 2."

[via EG]


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Comment #1 by T0X1C Z0MB1E TZ
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:27:47 AM
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Shouldn't have went the route they went.

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Comment #3 by CKWPORT
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:37:22 AM
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There are few endings so bad that an entire franchise is tainted as a result.

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Comment #4 by jholbro5
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:40:21 AM
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Still a great series!

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Comment #5 by strawberry
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:40:23 AM
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That sounds like a much better idea than the Reapers killing just for the sake of resetting lol

That makes no sense.

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Comment #6 by Hurricane Of 87
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:42:00 AM
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"It's like vapourware - vapourware is always perfect, anytime someone talks about the new greatest game. It's perfect until it comes out."

This is Drew's I Have A Dream/We Will Fight Them On The Beaches moment.
Let's just bask in this resonant truth for a couple of minutes.

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Comment #7 by Saracin
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:42:23 AM
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@2 Agreed. There are worse sins in the gaming world than not liking a games ending.

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Comment #8 by XxStuartxX 1990
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:43:54 AM
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I can't remember anything hardly from Mass effect three apart from the genophage and Geth questlines, such a disappointing end to what was a good trilogy, it's the godfather of video games imo.

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Comment #9 by cheevo360
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:45:31 AM
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Really look forward to Dragon Age III but I am more exciting for next Mass Effect series or even spin off series for ME.

Keep good jobs, BioWare. :):)

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Comment #10 by cheevo360
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:46:48 AM
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Now I like ending in ME 3 it is good but ME 2 is brilliant and very sad when some of my crews died. :):) Great memories.

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Comment #11 by OnePunchEckert
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 10:56:19 AM
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I loved Mass Effect 3s ending. Beautiful franchise they created. I'm so tired of people whining about this. It's not our game. It's Biowares. They did it how they wanted. Let it go

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Comment #12 by Kexyll
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:01:37 AM
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I think the ending of mass effect 3 was perfect and even if I didn't I wouldn't cry about it bioware did what they thought was best.

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Comment #13 by virgil must die
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:19:51 AM
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I wasn't gone on the ending but it wasn't really about the destination it was about the journey, just cause I didn't like the last 10 mins it doesn't negatively effect the 60+hrs up to it!

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Comment #14 by PluralAces
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:44:34 AM
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@ #13 you might be right, but for me it affects the replay value. I personally cant play the trilogy again knowing the ending is what it is and knowing that with all the different variations along the journey the ending is essentially the same.

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Comment #15 by Infomouse
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:49:14 AM
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The ending was shit. #Dealwithit

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Comment #16 by DragonessAthena
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 11:49:31 AM
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That was the ending that was leaked on the internet early. The fans tore it to pieces and ranted and cried about it, saying it made no sense or made them unhappy, which forced BioWare to change the ending into the one that shipped, and big surprise, fans didn't like it either.

You have no right at all to complain about a writer's work. It would be like screaming at Shakespeare for the way Hamlet ended and demanding he re-write it. It's why developers need to stop listening to fans when it comes to story.

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Comment #17 by hotdogenigma
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 12:24:48 PM
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@16 Agreed. Funny though, I wrote the same thoughts on a comment page when this topic was red hot. Pretty much about how gamers have no write to force an artist to change their work. I got roasted by so many ignorant fools.

@14 That's a shame, out of all the hours I put into the game I would do it all again. I haven't touched the series for months now and am feeling an itch to start all over again. With a child on the way that window is closing quickly though.

@10 It must not have been that sad if you're putting two smiling faces at the end of it. Unless you meant to play it in a way that you had a bunch of your crew die at the end, but then it wouldn't be sad. It was pretty easy to keep them all alive.

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Comment #18 by Godfather93a
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 12:25:25 PM
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I actually really enjoyed the Extended Cut DLC ending. The only problem I ever had w/ the original ending is it was way too vague, I got all these short scenes flashed at me & I thought Dafuq!? All I wanted was some closure & IMO they delivered on the Extended Cut DLC.

Looking forward to more adventures in the world of Mass Effect, but please god don't start doing character spin offs w/ Garrus & Aria. It would just be too cheap & easy.

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Comment #19 by cheevo360
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 12:29:56 PM
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#17 Yeah. My mistake. Yes it is pretty easy to keep all alive but my few crew died cos I didn't follow some of their sides before final boss. That is when I played through first time in ME 2 in 2010 when it is launched in January that time. :)

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Comment #20 by Arnold Prime
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 12:30:41 PM
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very bad ending should have stay with indoctrination theory
made more sense (check out angry indoctrination theory video)

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Comment #21 by Rivercurse
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 12:53:57 PM
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Bioware and Drew should have commissioned Dietz to write the ending. He already proved in the fourth novel that he had a deep understanding and respect for the series' lore.

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Comment #22 by The Kingslayer
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 12:54:33 PM
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I just try to ignore the ending and enjoy the universe they created. I hope Mass Effect 4 lets you choose your own species.

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Comment #23 by MustaPastori
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 01:11:54 PM
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@22 not gonna happen, they'd have to voice them all and that's too much work. Their words.

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Comment #24 by hir0 sempai
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 01:52:25 PM
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luckily i never saw that crappy ending and i never will.
reload = epic fail!

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Comment #25 by WIng Zero Pilot
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 02:03:51 PM
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You guys are a bunch of whiny bitches. The series was great fun leading all the way up to the end. Boo fuckin hoo.

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Comment #26 by Lecca69
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 02:27:24 PM
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I don't know why people didn't like the ending. I thought it was epic! Great ending to a great series!

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Comment #27 by High Lord Sigma
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 02:30:58 PM
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It's too bad that the ending to ME3 was contrived and poorly done; even the Extended Cut doesn't resolve some of the plot holes introduced by the revelations in those last 15 minutes. I understand writing an ending can often be the hardest part of a storytelling, but the ending to Shepard's story could have been so much better than it was.

Karpyshyn does have a great point about how hype and high expectations can make vaporware seem perfect. I'm sure everybody remembered how awesome Aliens: Colonial Marines and Duke Nukem Forever were going to be until they finally were released.

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Comment #28 by Mc1ovin11
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 02:32:04 PM
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It was/is an awesome trilogy and personally I didn't have a problem with the ending at all.People are always going to complain about how a much-beloved story ends and how they think it should end.There are a lot of 'sheep' in the world who jumped on the 'bad ending' bandwagon-half of which probably never played the damn game-plus everyone loves to hate EA-rightly or wrongly.

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Comment #29 by ThePumpkinKing
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 02:40:31 PM
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Karpyshyn never should have left Bioware before finishing the trilogy. He was the reason Mass Effect was such a great series. That was obvious in both the first and second. The third quite obviously suffered because of his absence.

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Comment #30 by The Kingslayer
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 02:41:49 PM
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@ 23 that's just lazy. I don't want to play human again I want to be a badass Krogan !!!!

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Comment #31 by tananset
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 02:51:08 PM
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expecting to see ME4 and looking forward to met some old faces like Tali and Vakarian(as Primarch of course).

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Comment #32 by Tai_MT
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 05:23:03 PM
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Still a better triology than Twilight!

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Comment #33 by Pakhair
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 05:35:38 PM
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I am one of the biggest fans of Mass Effect series, Yes t coud have been better and I hated it extended cut was bearable but felt good after that terrible ending

But THANK YOU BIOWARE for providing tons and tons of hours of fun and excitement that I will never forget, Ijust wish it ended on high note

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Comment #34 by captnWOOPYpants
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 06:20:48 PM
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Comment #35 by UltimateAuron32
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 09:14:04 PM
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that would have been preferable to the makes no sense BS we got instead. i love the reapers as an enemy, they're what something called a reaper should look like as well symbolize, a near invincible, highly inteligent killing machine.

but their motives suck balls, its so dumb it makes my brain hurt. it's like they thought people would be to stupid to grasp the whole Dark Energy theory, which is a real world theory by the way...

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Comment #36 by MadAdam81
Thursday, June 20, 2013 @ 01:13:42 AM
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I'm just annoyed that people complained that the gameplay was too mainstream, but the ending was too sci-fi. You'd think people had never read a proper sci-fi book before.

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Comment #37 by Knaussenheimer
Monday, September 30, 2013 @ 02:36:09 PM
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Wow. I'm posting late but w/e. I honestly didn't mind the ending. it was a classic hero sacrifices themself. and ps I don't think there's a comment #2

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