The Elder Scrolls Online
Bethesda "Pushing" to Allow Players Access to The Elder Scrolls Online Without a Gold Membership
Written Tuesday, August 27, 2013 By Lee Bradley
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“$500 for my X1, $10 for XBL Gold, $65 for the game, and $15 to play it...DAMN!!!”

The quote above is from a comment left by community member Adam Corela, responding to the news that Xbox One MMO The Elder Scrolls Online will feature microtransactions in addition to a subsciption. His general feeling was shared by much of our community.

As it stands you have to buy an Xbox One, subscribe to Xbox Live Gold and subscribe to the game itself for $14.99/£8.99 a month in order to play The Elder Scrolls Online, and then face the possibility of shelling out more on microtransactions.

According to marketing boss Peter Hines, Bethesda and ZeniMax have been pushing Microsoft to remove the Xbox Live Gold requirement.

“We feel like most people such as yourself currently pay that subscription not to pay a game, but to play all games online. So in that sense, when I’m playing Call of Duty online I don’t feel like I’m paying my monthly Xbox Live sub for Call of Duty – I’m just paying it because that’s a thing that I do, and whatever game I’m playing at the time is the one that benefits.

“Having said that, we have been in talks with Microsoft about that very thing, and seeing whether or not there’s any room to change their minds about that, for folks who are only paying The Elder Scrolls Online and don’t want to pay for an Xbox Live Gold subscription, just to pay the Elder Scrolls Online.

“The answer right now is that’s the way it works, but it’s something that we’re aware of and we keep pushing on, to see if there’s something that can be done. We’ll let you know if there’s movement there.”

[via OXM]


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Comment #1 by Chaosflare
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:07:05 AM
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The quotes threw me off a bit, as I'm assuming some of the "pay"s were actually meant as "play".

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Comment #2 by Dumple Pumpskin
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:07:18 AM
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People just need to vote with their wallet, as they did when the One's DRM was announced, and as they did when online passes were introduced. Simply refuse to pay this subscription and it will go away.

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Comment #3 by Cirative
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:08:23 AM
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$10 for Xbox Live? I thought it was $60.

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Comment #4 by Spandex Stiffy
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:08:55 AM
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I'm going to subscribe to Xbox Live regardless of whether I play this game. Is Bethesda hosting the servers for this? If not, I'd like to hear them justify their subscription costs instead of displacing the blame.

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Comment #5 by Original
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:09:08 AM
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I hate Micro-transactions, Subscriptions and all this DLC non-sense...
I miss the ol' days when a Game had EVERYTHING and you only had to pay £30 when it was released...

Now it's:
Buy £40/£45 Game
Buy £35/£40 Xbox Live
Buy £15 Season Pass/DLC
blah blah blah!...

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Comment #6 by Khazrak
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:10:52 AM
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But that is the point, isn't it? I didn't buy my X360 for one game, the same with my XBL Gold subscription, how many people are going to buy an Xbox One just for TES Online, when they can play it on the PC?

It is a nice sentiment from Bethesda, but I honestly can't see MS changing their policy on this. If they do it for one game, others will follow suit and demand the same treatment.

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Comment #7 by bps21
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:11:12 AM
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They want 180 a year to play one game on top of the 60 dollar price tag...and the thing they want to give a break on is people who won't pay 60 to have gold?

Yeah...I'll wait until they fail miserably and remove the 180.

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Comment #8 by shavron
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:11:36 AM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the let Final Fantasy XI be playable without gold? I know that was something like six years ago, but I think it's still a valid point for Bethesda.

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Comment #9 by Khazrak
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:12:38 AM
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And I think in the original quote he means $10 a month for Live, not per year.

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Comment #10 by Zenka The Myth
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:16:29 AM
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Or how about a discount for those of us who do have gold, like £8.99 off. They've killed their franchise and now are looking for someone to blame.

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Comment #11 by Deadly Krueger
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:17:18 AM
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You gotta pay for PS+ for the PS4. Why don't they just take out the monthly fee from the game?!

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Comment #12 by Dragonmaster700
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:17:33 AM
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Why is this only about Xbox One and the XBL gold requirement? PS4 online play requires PS+ now so whats the difference?

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Comment #13 by Terrin
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:20:33 AM
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@12 they have worked with sony and it does not required ps+ for eso

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Comment #14 by judge999
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:27:32 AM
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This is rich, Bethesda release a game with will cost 59 euros to buy and 12 euros a month plus microtransactions to play and then try to suggest MS's annual fee is prhitive. I'm not a fan of the xbox gold subsription but it seems like great value compared to ESO cost

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Comment #15 by Dragonmaster700
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:27:52 AM
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Oh, hadn't seen that anywhere. Then I'm sure M$ will probably do the same thing just to avoid giving Sony another thing to hold over them.

Either way, I doubt I'll play it at all unless it eventually goes free to play. Just cant justify spending $15 a month on top of the $60 initial buy for one game. I like to play too many different games to ever go with another pay to play MMO, even though this one looks damn tempting.

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Comment #16 by IXISHADOW
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:27:55 AM
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Or you could just get it on PC... MMOs don't and wont work on consoles.

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Comment #17 by LokTechCEO
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:29:27 AM
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You americans fellas think you're getting ripped off? Here in australia it's $600 for the X1, $80 for XBL Gold, $110 for the game, and $15-20 to play it. lol

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Comment #18 by EMP
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:30:12 AM
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Realistically I will wait like a year or two to play this because I just don't want to go out of my way to pay this much. There are a lot of titles coming out Day One and near christmas that I can't wait to play!

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Comment #19 by BiggD
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:31:32 AM
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Does this even matter? Most of have Gold anyways for other games, so either way...those of us who are still against it don't benefit from this.

I say vote with your wallets and skip this game...there's plenty coming out during 2014 Spring anyways.

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Comment #20 by Pearson
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:32:18 AM
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Even though I'm not getting the game because I was put off by the $15 per month subscription, I would like to see MS do the same thing as Sony. Let those who don't have XBL Gold be able to play TES MMO.

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Comment #21 by littlejay
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:36:08 AM
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They need to push to not charge $15 a month...

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Comment #22 by Quid Squid
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:36:55 AM
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@3 $10 is a bit low, but anyone that pays $60 really needs to have their head checked. It's pretty easy to find deals for as low as $35 at any given point in the year (ie. Amazon has it for $45 right now)

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Comment #23 by WalterWhite
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:57:34 AM
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That comment by Adam Corela didn't make any sense the first time, certainly not enough to get quoted in a news article. How are you going to consider the price of the console a negative against a piece of software? What does that have to do with it? Are you only buying an Xbox One to play The Elder Scrolls Online? If so, that's foolish, buy it for PC. You might as well add that you have to pay your electric bill for the five hundred dollar console to work to the list of complaints.

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Comment #24 by specularblinky
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:00:45 PM
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cant imagine this would be helpful to almost everyone here since most of us are going to have gold anyway, and im already not getting the game because i dont like having to pay a subscription for any game, let alone a full price one that has microtransactions. but if microsoft or bethesda are hopeing for elderscrolls online to be some type of killer app i can understand why microsoft might actually consider doing this.

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Comment #25 by Spandex Stiffy
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:02:47 PM
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@13, can you source that? I can't find any articles stating any exceptions aside from free to play titles.

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Comment #26 by Hurricane Of 87
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:08:59 PM
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Weird to have subscriptions AND microtransactions in the same game.

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Comment #27 by Poppa Krunch
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:11:12 PM
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Soooo let me get this straight. According to this i could cancel my xbox live and solely pay for ESO and lose the ability to play any other games online? Or do bethesda really think microsoft will go "Okidokey, we'll waive our xbox live membership and you just ahead and give all that money to Bethesda". Seems like they've spent too much time in that fantasy world they've been buildin.

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Comment #28 by bobbowski
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:22:05 PM
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Seems very pointless. The only people this would effect is the people that are buying an XBox1 for ESO only. That can't be a huge population. And from Microsoft's point of view, I gotta believe allowing this would open up pandora's box. What's next Call of Duty, Halo, Battlefield all charging monthly and getting the XBox Live fee waived... This doesn't make sense from a business angle for Microsoft and seems more like an attempt by Bethesda to act like they are listening to fan outrage over the $15 a month fee.

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Comment #29 by donlowc06
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:32:43 PM
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give it time my friends they will eventually cave and remove the subscription. Then we can all enjoy it 2 or so years after it comes out

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Comment #30 by bob101910
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:38:39 PM
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You don't need Xbox Live Gold to play Final Fantasy XI.

@3 If you're paying $60 for Live, you're doing it wrong. I'll recommend a fancy lil site called CAG.

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Comment #31 by thenewpeter
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:41:50 PM
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If free to play games don't require gold, then this shouldn't either, that's robbery having to pay for 2 different subscriptions to play it online :/.

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Comment #32 by sm182
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:48:06 PM
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Am I missing something? Haven't all the MMO released on the 360 (only a few I know) that require a monthly charge worked with silver accounts?

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Comment #33 by ViNyLek
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:51:49 PM
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Forget about it. With MS being as money hungry as ever they are out for blood. They are already pissed they had to redo most of their policies designed to make them millions, they will not let this one go. On other hand, looking at the figures in first paragraph, how can you say PC is over priced=D

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Comment #34 by A 7thProduction
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:59:07 PM
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Why are you all bitching about the subscription!? IT IS STANDARD for an MMORPG of this size! It isn't a one off purchase and that's all the content you get! you get MORE content in monthly patches and premium servers. You people are half the reason MMO's have steered clear of consoles. Google World of Warcraft. Do some research about how that works.
At least I won't have to deal with you all when I'm playing the game... Now down vote away because you cannot accept how MMO's work.

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Comment #35 by DragonessAthena
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 12:59:35 PM
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@11 Sony and Microsoft are the ones that get the money from PS+/Xbox Gold. They can't remove it from the monthly fee because that's Bethesda's monthly fee. If they did, Bethesda wouldn't get as much money as they wanted.

Bethesda can't drop the monthly fee because first and foremost, it's an MMO for PC. You can't charge console players less just because they have to pay Sony and Microsoft as well, and make PC players pay more.

And no, they won't remove the subscription, because it's a PC game first and foremost. Consoles don't matter when it comes to MMOs, it's the PC market they want. Sony and Microsoft probably just paid them to release it on their consoles. If anything, they'll just cancel the PS4/One versions.

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Comment #36 by mr xenon
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 01:05:48 PM
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I avoid subscription games and micro-transactions.

This quote makes no sense:
“We feel like most people such as yourself currently pay that subscription not to play a game, but to play all games online. So in that sense.."

Yeah, so in that sense, why would we pay an additional subscription to play your game online. I'm already paying for a XBOX GOLD subscription to do that!!!

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Comment #37 by Mister Spraggsy
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 01:26:43 PM
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If I was a free member I still wouldn't pay a monthly subscription.

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Comment #38 by flechetteXXX
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 02:16:59 PM
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@17 That looks bad when you look at it in US Dollars but considering its in Australian Dollars and minimum wage in Australia is what? like $14 $15 and minimum wage in America is $7 so it actually works out to be a lot lot less... good try though

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Comment #39 by mjc0961
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 02:19:06 PM
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How about you remove the subscription fee to access the game instead, you greedy fucks? Pay to play or microtransactions: pick ONE. Having both is the most disgusting form of greed. Microtransactions are supposed to exist to make money for a game that's FREE TO PLAY. Putting them in a pay to play game is just bullshit.

Bethesda is such a shitty publisher, I don't know why people like them so much.

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Comment #40 by CodyTheGreat7
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 02:19:36 PM
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They should at least make the game free if they are going to have such an outrageous subscription cost, especially if they are gonna have micro transactions.

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Comment #41 by ash356
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 02:24:34 PM
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Not really sure why there's micro transactions planned for this, when there's a subscription. Though considering Blizzard are supposedly doing the same with World of Warcraft, it's apparently becoming 'a thing'.

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Comment #42 by xXx3NIGM4xXx
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 02:26:49 PM
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I guess this would be cool for a very small percentage of people. But for most on consoles, this doesn't apply. If someone wasn't willing to even pay a monthly fee for Live - a service which would allow them to play all games but ESO - what reason would they have to shell out more per month than Live to begin with?

This game should have been amazing, and I'm sure for the people who decide it is worth it, it will be. I am not getting suckered into this scheme though; I've been perfectly fine without Everquest, WoW, FFXI, etc. All I've wanted in an TES game was co-op, but if that means I've got to shell out $15 a month + Live + microtransactions - I feel no regret in passing.

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Comment #43 by Roose91
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 02:41:59 PM
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So they want to take the heat off themselves by taking away one of the two subscriptions you need to play this (although it would have to be them raking the cash in naturally). I was undecided on getting this despite loving The Elder Scrolls since Morrowind GOTY on the original xbox as I didn't like that you can't play as an Imperial, but I think I am definitely skipping this now.

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Comment #44 by SHMEEDIDDY
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 02:48:51 PM
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I never play MMO's but I think the Elder Scrolls game itself should be $20 at release and pay $15/month honestly your charging a $60 game based on online that is required to play and pay for each month or have a year pass with the game itself.

$20 for Elder Scrolls and pay $15/month
$100 for Elder Scrolls with a year subriction to online attached to it and have adiscount to people who are willing to play that game for a year!

might loose alittle money on the $100 deal but guarrantee more people will buy that over the standard pricing.

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Comment #45 by Tim 13
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 03:06:18 PM
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THAT'S FUCKING STUPID. 95 percent of the people who'll want to play ESO will have a Live membership anyway. A VERY small percentage of the population would try to take advantage of the concept of paying only for their ESO membership, because that same small percentage is the only percentage of people that want to get their X1 to do nothing but play ESO.

This plan is worthless. For as much as I loved Skyrim, it kills me to say, Bethesda, you're fucking greedy.

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Comment #46 by FSparacino4
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 03:06:26 PM
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Honestly, how many people are buying an X1 just to play this game? Sure, you may not have to pay for XBL to play ESO, but 99.9999% of people want to play other games online.

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Comment #47 by Samigi
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 03:10:43 PM
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@34 Yeah, and MMO's are a rip off...

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Comment #48 by Godfather93a
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 03:12:17 PM
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The ignorance from people on here is overwhelming.

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Comment #49 by ExtremeRugburn
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 04:04:22 PM
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This is really a moot point anyway since most of us already pay for Gold, so them fighting for those without Gold is just another obvious money grab on their part. I totally understand its all about making money, but not blatantly raking your consumers over the coals.

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Comment #50 by thenewpeter
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 04:43:56 PM
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To all those complaining about people not being happy here. Here is why:

The are 4 price points for the game as it stands atm: Buying the game, buying xbox live, paying the subscription and micro-transactions. That is not including the likely hood of added dlc content that they wouldn't be able to properly justify, but not all mmo's have subscriptions, in fact allot of newer ones are free to play instead, mmo's being one of the only justify-able types of game for micro transactions/free to play models.
Each model guarantee's an income to support the game, both together, just show that they want nothing but you're wallets. WoW is getting feature's like it some have said, so what? WoW is outdated and no-longer what it once was, from a time when ALL mmo's where subscription based.

There is no grounds to show the game is yet worth a monthly subscription, we know nothing about it yet to properly judge, if it's anything like skyrim, it definatly wont be worth a monthly subscription, it needs to be massively improved from that.

The fact here stands that xbox live gold shouldn't be 'needed' though, if it's not needed for free to play games.

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Comment #51 by DelayedReload
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 04:44:42 PM
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Or, we can get rid of ESO's subscription fee instead, because I doubt MS will agree to this. And even if they do, nobody's going to just have ESO as their only game, making the whole system irrelevant.
Basically, P2P ESO is a terribad idea and it's going to tank miserably.

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Comment #52 by Pieville
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 05:40:50 PM
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If they reduced the subscription to about $5 a month, I could live with that otherwise I doubt I'll get this game for a while.

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Comment #53 by ash356
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 06:01:55 PM
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But yes, this will bomb hard.
WOW has basically survived all these years because everyone has that 'one friend' who has the disc and will lend it to you. Then you try the free trial and, if you like it, you sign up.
For an entire new system, in the present environment, and an entire new MMO; that just isn't going to work. Especially seeing as I imagine MS and Sony won't want people swapping discs around and eating their profits.
If it was me, I'd wait for it to inevitably go F2P. But this never seemed like a good idea for a game to me in the first place; though that could be because I find MMO's in general a tedious experience.

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Comment #54 by the ferenczy
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 06:58:37 PM
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make it $5 a month instead or sell me a year for $50. $15 a month is just ridiculous.

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Comment #55 by Tai_MT
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 07:50:02 PM
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I have a retardedly stupid question for Bethesda... Do they not realize that their DIRECT competitor already has a better payment model than them?

Guild Wars 2:

Buy once, free forever. Microtransactions for very useful things included, most of which are either cosmetic or convenience items.

Why can't Bethesda do that with Elder Scrolls Online? No, seriously, I'd like to know. Guild Wars 2 is making substantial profits with the "buy it once, free forever" model.

I, for one, don't like EXPENSIVE memberships to play a game. Especially when I might want the subscription to basically be "forever", even though I might not always be playing it. I have Membership in Runescape at $5 a month, and I can afford that, so I don't feel bad for not playing it. But, if I were forking over $15 a month for an MMO I'm not playing at the time (or even every single day), then I might not play the game at all. It's definitely one of the reasons I never played WoW.

Hell, I pay for my XBL Service a year in advance. One-time payment of $55 for a year subscription that gives me unlimited play on every game I own.

I love Elder Scrolls, but unless that $15 subscription fee each month comes with free blowjobs from the staff, I don't feel it's worth my money or my time.

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Comment #56 by TheTenthPlague
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 09:35:15 PM
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Am I the only person that pays less than $30 a year for XBL...? haha

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Comment #57 by LSK71
Tuesday, August 27, 2013 @ 11:15:18 PM
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Someone please correct me because I am confused. I "thought" they said the game would be with "you and three of your friends". My friend thought this as well. It was most likely me misunderstanding the info they were giving.

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Comment #58 by Akki Kitsune
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 01:05:04 AM
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@56 No your not the only one that pays less for xbox live gold membership a year.

Maybe they will take notes on EVE online's PLEX system aswell. You can use PLEX to buy Micro-transaction stuff or you can use it to buy game time & you can use in-game money to buy PLEX or just buy it with cash. So if you start getting alot of money in-game you could then play for free essentially.

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Comment #59 by Duds911
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 01:48:37 AM
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@56 when or where do you get it less than $30? i get it during late fall/christmas season at $39.99 (aka $40) for 1 year or sometimes 13-14 months on the dashboard.

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Comment #60 by Godfather93a
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 02:25:37 AM
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@57 depends on what you are doing, you can play in groups of 4 or 24 or when in Cyrodiil: PVP there can be up to 200 players on screen at once.

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Comment #61 by Miikesmama
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 08:03:55 AM
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imo such discussions are easily solvable: Who is providing the servers?

If they're Microsofts servers, people should pay MS, but if Bethesda has own, dedicated servers, people should pay directly to them...

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Comment #62 by guripa37
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 09:56:11 AM
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Comment #63 by PANIC ATTACK 10
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 01:13:25 PM
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thats how DCUO and free realms work on ps3. i bought DCUO because MS wouldnt allow champions online on the 360. i like how sony handles this better than MS. also before you fanboys get on my back. i have been with xbl since day 1. we shouldnt have to pay for online AND pay for sub fees too. thats why i bought a ps3. free to play online. MS needs to do this. MMOs are suffering on consoles because we pay to much. yes i work for a living too lol. but i want MMOs but MS makes it impossible. they are to strict on micro transactions and much needed downloads for MMOs. i hope to see WOW as well on consoles. i hope the devs can pull this off. as it stands i am not interested in either next gen. nothing stands out and says buy me now. but start adding MMOs/ MMORPGs and it will make me think twice. thats why i bought the ps3 ;)

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Wednesday, August 28, 2013 @ 05:46:51 PM
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Tuesday, September 03, 2013 @ 11:42:06 AM
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my co-worker's mother-in-law makes $87/hr on the laptop. She has been out of a job for 9 months but last month her check was $14411 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Read more on this web site

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