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Xbox One Graphics Drivers Currently "Horrible", Says Anonymous Dev
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Anonymous developers have labelled the current state of Xbox One’s graphics drivers “horrible” and claimed the difference between both the Xbox One and PS4 is “significant” and “obvious.”

In a piece about the performance differences between Microsoft and Sony’s new consoles on Edge, a number of unnamed developers have said that while the platform holders continue to refine both systems, Sony’s is currently easier to work with.

According to one source, Microsoft has "been late on their drivers and that has been hurting them.” Another source says that the Xbox One graphics drivers are "horrible".

It is also being reported that the PS4’s memory reads between 40-50% faster than Xbox One, and that the PS4‘s Arithmetic Logic Unit (ALU) is around 50% faster than Xbox One’s. 

The article says that a “platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at ‘20-something’ FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One”.

All sources stress that work on the graphics drivers will continue up to and beyond the Xbox One’s release, so it’s not a done deal. For now, however, it’s reportedly a pain in the ass.

Microsoft has already spoken on the issue of performance differences between the Xbox One and the PS4, saying “the way people are calculating the differences between the two machines isn't completely accurate.”

There’s more detail through here, but it’s important to note that this latest information is direct from developers themselves who are used to actually working with the machines.

It should also be noted that, for the period following the PS3’s launch, similar accusations were made about that console, with Valve most famously saying it was “too complicated to develop for.”

The Xbox One launches in November 22nd.


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Comment #1 by Friar the tuk
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:06:20 AM
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Oh dear. I finding it more and more difficult to justify my Xbox One preorder. They're going to lose this battle badly

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Comment #2 by caboose69ing
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:06:49 AM
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Interesting to say the least I'm really having a hard time deciding which console to get the only thing that's pushing me more towards xbone is that my roommate will be getting a ps4 launch day

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Comment #3 by Empty Seven Man
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:09:44 AM
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if they tell us who they are i might believe them

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Comment #4 by BBQ
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:12:33 AM
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I'm torn, I think the only reason I'm holding my breathe for the Xbox One is because The Xbox 360 was such a powerhouse and i still love it.

The Playstation 4 gets better and better each time i read an article.

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Comment #5 by Deaf_Paradox
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:15:38 AM
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#1 Dead Rising 3 is justifying my pre-order... that and a lot of Rum.

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Comment #6 by Stealth David
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:16:11 AM
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I hate the fact that in an achievement whore because that is the only thing the Xbone has going for it and even I wont buy one till they drop the god awful kinect

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Comment #7 by KaoFam
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:16:15 AM
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It shouldn't matter and wouldn't really affect the games

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Comment #8 by nothingface0
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:17:15 AM
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There have also been plenty of developers saying that there is virtually no difference between the performance of both consoles. And seeing how the developers that say there's no differance don't feel the need to remain anonymous I'll take their word for it.

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Comment #9 by ActionAbe
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:17:52 AM
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Ahh so thats the reason why Dead Rising and Forza look so amazing everything makes sense now...

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Comment #10 by menoknow 88
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:18:05 AM
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@3 I completely agree, I think that it would be a bit more reliable if they told us what company they were, even if it was a smaller company that said it I would like it better than remaining anonymous.

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Comment #11 by bLaKgRaVy
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:20:05 AM
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@3 & 10 - It's Gearbox and Epic Games ;)

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Comment #12 by UCFknighthood
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:21:05 AM
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And this is one reason I didn't preorder, either console for that matter. Still got plenty if good PC and 360 games, and by next summer everything will be ironed out.

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Comment #13 by XxStuartxX 1990
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:21:27 AM
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Getting a console for one game, to each their own I guess.

OT: This doesn't surprise me since MS have come out themselves and said that they have spent about the same amount on Kinect 2.0 as they have the console itself, while Sony seem to have pumped all their money into the console itself.

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Comment #14 by l.maciver
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:25:31 AM
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this is why i wait until all the issus is fixed.

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Comment #15 by Wayne Warren
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:28:03 AM
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Unless they come out with another Star Wars themed Xbox for the One this time to coincide with Battlefront III then i'm not 100% commited ;)

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Comment #16 by xBuD ILoveLL
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:30:20 AM
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Ill still support Microsoft and xbox but thats through my one can wait for now.

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Comment #17 by Rafie
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:30:39 AM
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Well look what happened with the PS3. It was too difficult to develop for, so the 360 was the primary choice for developing games on...which lead to sometimes subpar quality ports for PS3.

I don't understand if their specs is almost identical...what is the real issue here?! The games look great. We all know that specs don't mean anything these days anymore. It's about the games. I don't know. I've grown tired of this MS and Sony "d#$k measuring" contest. Can't wait til they are released and let the games speak for themselves.

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Comment #18 by The Subtle Arts
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:31:19 AM
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Bad workers always blame their tools.

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Comment #19 by BrySkye
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:31:48 AM
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Saying as Dead Rising has been mentioned, it's worth remembering that while the game might look nice, it still has some quite noteworthy performance issues trying to maintain 30fps.
We know this and we also know that Microsoft engineers are directly trying to help get that game performing better.

Making a game look good is one thing. Make a game look good -and perform well- is the real prize.

Dead Rising 3 would actually seem to be a prime example that the graphics drivers still need work, which is what these unnamed sources are actually saying.
Just somewhat ironic that the drivers and their experience as the creators of DirectX is the latest thing that Microsoft have been chest thumping about having gone a bit more quiet on cloud computing.

As for not naming themselves, well what do you expect?
If you have something good to say, you don't have to worry about the politics behind the scenes and the difficulties that can arise from that.
If you have something less positive to say, it can make things pretty awkward, especially when you're still heavily dependent on support from both MS and Sony to get things moving.

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Comment #20 by Kazuma Prime
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:33:20 AM
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Honestly, before the XBO reveal I didn't really listen to anonymous sources when it came to the console. Either I didn't want to believe all the things that were being said or I believed there was no way that it could be true. Now, I'm a bit more open-minded when it comes to that. That being said, maybe they could turn it around.

As Angry Joe pointed out in his first video on the reveal, it is. It is like watching a friend that you know made mistakes but never took things too extremely far, starting to walk out into the woods and refuses to listen to your cries to come back. They've done changes yes to "listen" to us but only because so many yelled and screamed at them to "listen".

In all honesty, the main reason I wanted an Xbox 360 was because of Halo 3, I ended up getting one because I had Xbox Live for 2 to 3 years at that point. Now, even with all their backtracking to make a system that is barely acceptable, I'm still on the fence. To be fair to my tenure with Live, the hope for the games that are coming, and the few friends that I've made that are still around, I'll probably wait until next year, see how it plays out initially and then decide. Given that 360 seems to be supported for around another 3 years, even if I dont get the new one I'd still have my 360, which I'm perfectly fine with.

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Comment #21 by LJParnell
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:34:15 AM
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It just seems so strange to me, that some of the very things that "hurt" PS3 are the very things that Microsoft is doing for Xbox One. Granted they are back tracking on some and getting it right. PS3 was very complicated to develop for, now the Xbox One is. PS3 did not come with headphones/mic, originally they said Xbox One would not. I mean these are not unknowns, they were recently "experienced" with PS3 so why are they making these mistakes that are so easily avoided.

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Comment #22 by SPARTAN 8554
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:36:36 AM
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I'm running out of ways to defend the Xbox. Gotta stay positive and supportive

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Comment #23 by ChaseTheTear
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:40:32 AM
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I'm getting both consoles but I gotta be honest with you guys, I'm very tempted to cancel my Xbox One pre-order

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Comment #24 by menoknow 88
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:42:41 AM
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@11 where did you find that out at?

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Comment #25 by Johan
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:44:07 AM
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But what about the power of the almighty cloud?

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Comment #26 by CoffeeAddict5
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:44:34 AM
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Anonymous developers? Maybe if they say who they are I'd give it a bit more credence. Even then I'd check their motives for coming out with this kind of a statement. Who knows, they could be a little butt hurt, but it makes no difference to me what so ever anyway, my XBone's been paid off the day I preordered it.

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Comment #27 by Death shrimp X
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:45:56 AM
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All the E3 demos for Xbox 1 games were running on a highend PC with an x1 controller so i understand why these devs say this

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Comment #28 by nothingface0
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:47:42 AM
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Nobody felt the need to remain anonymous when they said it was harder to develope for the PS3. If anonymous sources said they would give you a million dollars to lick my balls would you quit your job? Trying to base a decision on which console you buy off anonymous comments is rediculous.

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Comment #29 by EricDC
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:48:54 AM
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Anyone can be an "anonymous dev" lol. My god damn grandma could be the "anonymous dev."

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Comment #30 by anyold
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:49:06 AM
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Anon sources, hmm. Come on do you guys really think this is the case or this is just some bs?

My money is on it being a load BS from ps4 camp, they are the ones that always compare stats that turn out to be irrelevant and many developers have said there are little to no difference between the two consoles. I remember reading an article on this site that stated exactly that

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Comment #31 by creaper210
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:56:24 AM
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I don't really care to be honest. Graphics truly do not matter to me. They're nice, but I don't need amazing graphics to have fun. With that said, I still prefer Xbox.

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Comment #32 by Stoko
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:57:52 AM
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Xbox One really is looking like it'll be the PS3 of this generation - decent enough, with some good exclusives, but in no way comparable to it's competition. This gen I had 360 as my main console, PS3 just for the exclusives. Won't make a final decision until 6-18 months post launch, but so far it's looking like it'll be the other way around this time, PS4 as the primary and X1 as the "exclusives only" machine.

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Comment #33 by Xtowers
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 09:58:53 AM
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Drivers are easily updated.

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Comment #34 by ViNyLek
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:02:02 AM
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@#6 Amen to that. I know most ppl will get it for achievements alone, even if they won't admit it to themselves. I know I was cheevo whore for a longest time, but now slowly PS3 has been taking up most of time and that will continue into PS4 next year. I will still get Xbone eventually, but this time tables will turn and it will only be for Xbone exclusives...

OT: Old news really, we already know PS4 is more powerful and more viable option for gamers. As to everyone else that likes TV functions and what not, obviously Xbone will be winner no matter what.

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Comment #35 by ScottiePippen
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:03:52 AM
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im honestly done with all the XB1 drama I cancelled my preorder and sticking with PS4 now enough is enough it was a failure from day one XB1 what a sad story I was always a xbox supporter but I reached my limit to justify this console.

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Comment #36 by Ministry4390
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:05:50 AM
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I hope people don't actually believe this stuff.

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Comment #37 by wes coas 4 life
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:07:27 AM
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Put your name you dev pussy.

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Comment #38 by M1 Punk
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:07:28 AM
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The key word here is "Anonymous". My guess is that Sony is behind this story, because identifying yourself would actually make the story somewhat credible.

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Comment #39 by Quantum Binman
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:10:04 AM
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Edge are usually pretty reliable in terms of reporting which is the most worrying part of this... anyone else and I might laugh off their anonymous sources

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Comment #40 by brotherlytom
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:10:08 AM
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what are ms playing at.... im sure this kind of publicity is something they could really do without..even if it is not totally accurate, there is obviously something not quite right,. I do have ps3 but im a massive xbox fan, I don't mind admitting it,... I just hope this is more, pre launch scare mongering, than actual fact,...lets get the consoles in our hands and make our own decisions,.... 6 months to a year down the line is gonna be the telling time....

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Comment #41 by wcrawford
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:15:29 AM
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just trust them stop worrying the Xbox one will be a very good console I trust you microsoft

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Comment #42 by KingLouis51
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:17:52 AM
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I'm getting Xbox One day one for Forza, and PS4 when the decent exclusives roll out (i.e. Naughty Dog's next game). I've owned 360 since Jan 2006, Wii since July 2007, and PS3 since Sept 2009.

None of this shit is relevant, all that matters is how the developers utilise the power of the respective system. PS3 was more powerful than 360, everybody knows that, but almost every multiplatform game to date has looked and run better on 360 due to PS3's asinine architecture. It was so bad Rockstar delayed GTA IV for 6 months to try and sort out the PS3 version, and Valve refused to develop PS3 games altogether for years. So let's wait and see.

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Comment #43 by Rafie
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:22:16 AM
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@30 I like how you think that Sony is behind this. If someone says something negative about's automatically Sony! The conspiracy that never ends from Sony! -_-

It's quite possible that these are actual devs and not people at Sony trying to sabotage MS. The worst possible scenario is that this may be true and instead of developing games on the X1, the PS4 may be the system that gets developed on while the X1 gets ports. I would hate to see that happen because it did the PS3 no favors and made them less definitive to it's competition.

I wish devs would work separately on each console and maximize the hardware and abilities of that said system instead of ports. I know this won't happen and more time and money would have to be thrown in the mix.

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Comment #44 by General Boredom
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:23:50 AM
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The PS3 had more powerful hardware than the 360, and multi platform games were identical, and in many cases, ran better on the 360.

They're going to look identical this time around too.

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Comment #45 by assassinjay1229
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:28:24 AM
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Hey guys in an anonymous dev that hacked this account and guess what it's all true the Xbox One can hardly handle ONE fps its a horrible console and you should get a PS4


50% of the people that read this will believe it because y'know anon "devs"
don't lie ;)

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Comment #46 by Ministry4390
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:39:03 AM
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A lot of Sony fans on this Xbox site down voting any comment that doesn't bash the Xbox One, huh???? Hahahaha, get a life guys.

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Comment #47 by ziggy78900
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:39:41 AM
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so ms f up happy dident order xbox one.staying whit the ps4

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Comment #48 by Friar the tuk
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:47:45 AM
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@5 yeah mate to be honest I'm not too worried the games lineup is still way more impressive than PS4. Killzzzzzone and a load of indie games just don't excite me. I've made the right choice with Xbox One, although I'll most probably buy a PS4 next year.

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Comment #49 by maxcer0081
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:47:50 AM
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@#38 yep, bad news about the Xbone. must be Sony working to discredit MS's new console.

Are you serious with this garbage? face it, MS made a weaker system to keep the price down so they could throw in a Kinect to every box. and they're still $100 more expensive!!

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Comment #50 by head0r Inc
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:49:13 AM
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More expensive than the PS4 and worse specs.. this is just simply hilarious, only because they want an "all in one" system and they want us to buy Kinect, all we want is a freaking console.. well done MS.

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Comment #51 by Agent Mantis
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:53:10 AM
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Chances are the dev stayed anon so they don't have issues with M$ down the road. Edge magazine is a respected source though there is probably something to this. Sony learned their lessons and had Naughty Dog's lead programmer design the hardware from the ground up to make it easier to develop on, maybe that's the difference.

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Comment #52 by Oversig
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:57:05 AM
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I'll just be kind this post & say for the Fanboys that are still going to buy the Xbone. Enjoy your $500.00 TV switch-box & Kinect junk!!!
Thanks Lee Bradley for giving us truly unbiased Intel on both the pros & cons of Xbone.
LOL, there are no pros to Xbone!!!

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Comment #53 by Zeppelin 856
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:58:08 AM
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Time to get a nice rig. I'm kinda over consoles.

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Comment #54 by ROTTENCORPSE
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:00:10 AM
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I don't know, I have seen a lot of amazing games so far running on the Xbox One hardware. Who is the developer? Is it an established developer or maybe a new or poor developer who just doesn't know how to fully use the tools provided to them. Sounds more like the latter to me.

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Comment #55 by maxcer0081
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:04:18 AM
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yes this gen the PS3 had the slight power advantage but it was very difficult to get that theoretical power out of the architecture. you ended up with games that looked the same (save, exclusives like Last of Us/Uncharted)

now, with a new strategy, Sony has gone very developer friendly with GDDR5. and with this change you have developers hitting the floor running, without having to work with esRAM trying to squeeze that theoretical power out of the console. with the PS4 they can focus on making the game immediately.

so, to sum it up. you have developers saying the PS4 is more powerful and easier to program for.

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Comment #56 by DeadlySinz86
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:09:00 AM
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Anonymous developers carry no weight. Until a major developer comes forward with these claims, I would take it as hearsay and nothing more.

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Comment #57 by MrT2
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:10:32 AM
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@25 The cloud isn't going to do your graphics processing for you, there'd be too much latency for that, it'll do some background number crunching that while it's intensive gives fairly simple results, like Forza's AI, where latency can just be accounted for as 'human' reaction times.

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Comment #58 by STONE DEVIL
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:11:20 AM
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Keeping my 360 for another 5 years minimum.

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Comment #59 by maxcer0081
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:15:51 AM
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why does it matter if the developer is anonymous?

does the guy really want to risk losing his job over a statement made on the internet?

if you haven't been keeping up then here's a link to the statements. anonymous and named.

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Comment #60 by Jack Frost
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:16:36 AM
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Even more reason to give them a couple of years before purchasing.

Thank you, MicroSoft, for helping make that decision a solid one.

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Comment #61 by god_that_failed
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:18:01 AM
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@7: But it does matter and it does affect the games. Do you really think that playing a game at noticeably low FPS and lower resolution wouldn't affect someone's gameplay experience?

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Comment #62 by Iconoclast Envy
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:21:26 AM
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Calling price drop by E3 next year

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Comment #63 by maxcer0081
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:27:50 AM
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@62 price drop and a kinectless version after they finally realize nobody likes motion controls anymore

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Comment #64 by RDWatson16
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:28:59 AM
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would like to get the xbox one but im not willing to spend over £500 just for it and two games especially since i dont work and im going into an HNC in my education maybe a massage chair which is cheaper and can sit in while playing games

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Comment #65 by DeadlySinz86
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:29:23 AM
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@59 Because being anonymous gives you no credibilty. Who are you more likely to believe, someone that's anonymous or someone you know?

For all we know these statements and claims could be coming from in-house PS4 developers just looking to shit stir about their rivals console. Console wars are a dirty buisness.

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Comment #66 by Stoko
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:30:26 AM
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Just a note to all saying "I bet it's fake, the anonymous dev could be anyone, I bet it was Sony!" etc. They're not just "anonymous devs", they're "Edge's anonymous dev sources". Doesn't mean Edge don't know who they are, doesn't mean it isn't legit, just that they requested to remain anonymous.

If you truly believe it's that easy - call Edge, claim to be an "anonymous dev", and see how seriously they take you.

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Comment #67 by maxcer0081
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:34:52 AM
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@65 ok here's all your "in house PS4 developers"

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Comment #68 by DecadentBeaver
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:37:10 AM
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Well, I recently decided I will go for the Xbox One. But, after careful consideration, I might wait until New Year before picking one up. That way, if there are any hardware issues immediately, then I will hear about it. Plus the games I still want to play will keep me occupied

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Comment #69 by Bickle
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:42:31 AM
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If you've read edges coverage since E3, they are so firmly up Sony's ass that they have literally come out there nostril. Yes the Xbox graphics drivers have sucked, but without knowing the developers that they talk to, it's very hard to take them seriously. They are likely running on old information, Microsoft just released a new building games come other graphics drivers which showed significant improvement on things like dead rising. AMD has a long history of taking quite a while to get their graphics drivers in order. So while I do believe that the SRAM thing is different from what people are used to, and therefore a pain in the ass. I don't believe it would be something that difficult to use once you got used to it.

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Comment #70 by XxStuartxX 1990
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:45:57 AM
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Most kidnappings are done by people the victim knows.

If these are third party devs, then of course they want to stay anon they don't want to risk been blacklisted by MS.

I highly doubt that this a conspiracy theory from Sony, I suppose it's possible.

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Comment #71 by Pearson
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:49:19 AM
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The anonymous developers that Edge always talk to are small independent development teams that are still upset at MS over Indie development on the 360. I don't think that Gearbox or Epic would say anything anonymously, they'd come straight out and say it just like Publishers and Developers did with the PS3.

Oversig, get a life or stay over at ps3trophies!

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Comment #72 by maxcer0081
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:52:37 AM
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@70 exactly, look at what happened to the Oddowrld developer when he criticized MS's publishing policy on XBL. they wouldn't approve the game for sale on Live.

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Comment #73 by Yungstar 2006
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 12:15:38 PM
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if i was buying a console on how powerful it was, PS4 would be the only option.

but i'm buying them for games and i want to play Forza 5 and use Kinect 2.0.

so Xbox now and PS4 early next year and probably all multi-plats will be bought on PS4 if the above is true.

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Comment #74 by Sarcastro
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 12:16:22 PM
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by "anonymous developer", they really mean "Obvious Sony troll".

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Comment #75 by Yourburntstar
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 12:22:07 PM
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I don't see why people should be concerned about what it can/cannot do in performance on Day One, because with ALL console life's at the beginning of their Life, they obviously are NOT up to what the standards of that particular console can actually handle.

For example, Just now the Xbox 360 is finally reaching it's peak of performance/potential, hence the reason of the Next Generation Consoles coming soon.

But we will NOT see the true full potential of either the Xbox One or PS4 for at least 2-3 years after its official release date. Then we will start to see/play "Real Next-Gen expectations that people have for their Day One Launch."

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Comment #76 by Kyto Azevedo
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 12:24:38 PM
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Anonymous huh? Sounds like Sony is spreading fake rumors again, nobody should take this garbage seriously. Unless a company comes out and says it openly it's probably a complete lie.

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Comment #77 by ChaseTheTear
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 12:25:09 PM
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Definitely getting PS4. Xbox one when its reduced

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Comment #78 by Tai_MT
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 01:00:44 PM
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An anonymous source is the same as admitting you're a liar. How can anyone fact check what you're saying if they don't know who you are? News organizations frequently exploit this to the nth degree in order to sell a story. "Experts have said...", "Scientists claim..." "Authorities tell us..." Etcetera. it's easy to say these things with no names attached, and no matter who you try to ask about it, there's no way to know if you've talked to their source.

Whether something is good or not when delivered by an "anonymous source", I'd always just take it as a lie until proven otherwise or the names actually come out. This is the internet and the world of deceptive media. Anyone can claim to be anything without so much as a single information consumer googling it to make sure it's true.

With that said...

I'd like to own both consoles this cycle, since I didn't pick up a PS3 last cycle. My issue has always been "what games will be on it?". Right now... We got one console out with games on it that I want to play. Halo, Destiny, Dead Rising 3, and many others to come. The PS4 lineup doesn't have anything in it that I'd like to play. I had this issue with the PS3. They'd release games that were either "okay" or "subpar" and then get their hands on games that the Xbox 360 already had.

Plus, there always is one added bonus with owning an Xbox 360 or an Xbox One. The controllers come with USB Ports. That means you can plug them into your computer. I love that feature and use it frequently. Ever map a macro to right bumper? Show those PC tech geeks what's what.

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Comment #79 by Dr Popodopolus
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 01:09:19 PM
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Cancelled pre-order

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Comment #80 by littlejay
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 01:28:40 PM
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OOO a “platform-agnostic development build" ran 50% faster? And someone has a new video driver that works right? This is hardly anything that proves how the system will turn out. Let's wait until it's ready to bash it. We all knew the PS3 was so much better than the 360 huh :p

They system isn't even out yet, things are still being ironed out, and launch games will looks pretty much the same on either console. Xbox Live is the selling point for me. It's awesome and I will keep using it.

It's gonna take more than a few random angry indie devs on neogaf to get me to change sides.

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Comment #81 by themetalenock
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 01:35:37 PM
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worthy to point out that not all developers are the tech guys

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Comment #82 by Jazza815
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 01:40:11 PM
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And people are surprised by this ?

When are you going to learn, Microsoft don't care anymore, they don't give a fat fuck about the consumer.

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Comment #83 by WalterWhite
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 01:47:28 PM
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@ #80

The PS3 was more powerful but more difficult to develop for because of it's complicated architecture which was the problem and it was the reason multiplatform games were superior 99% of the time on the Xbox 360. PS3 exclusives utilized that power and those games really stood out. Granted, they were few and far between but Sony has gone out of their way to build the PS4 side by side with developers so they didn't make that fatal mistake again next generation. You're missing the point in what's being said here. They're saying the PS4 is more powerful but most importantly, easier to develop for than the Xbox One. So it's not the same thing as it was this generation. That aside, despite all of these anonymous sources, most likely the systems are going to be pretty evenly matched.

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Comment #84 by CASCADEYOUTH
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 02:12:05 PM
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is one of those anonymous developers the creator of Fez?

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Comment #85 by Viperous
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 02:20:26 PM
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I don't believe this is true at all.

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Comment #86 by GamePlayUK
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 02:24:24 PM
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Yeh but PS4 has crappy games, argument over.

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Comment #87 by NATH4Nx
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 02:29:20 PM
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As long as it plays games i dont really care about specs in all honesty

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Comment #88 by XxStuartxX 1990
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 02:37:44 PM
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@86 Opinion

OT: I love how so many people are calling this a conspiracy but if it was the other way around they'd be loving it, just like the controller vid.

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Comment #89 by Spandex Stiffy
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 02:56:35 PM
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If you've been paying any attention to Edge Magazine lately, which you shouldn't, you'd know that this article is a load of crap.

This look biased to anyone?

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Comment #90 by X Dirge X
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 03:17:29 PM
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Come on, I think I say this every time, but you should really check your sources. anonymous Dev's, from a known ps3 website. the "anonymous dev" gives information anyone could know to back up his claim. Is this really worth headline material

The worst part is I have to go check them for you. you know what an anonymous dev told me... the Xbox is gonna play vinyl. He talked about the specs and stuff, so he must know what hes talking about.

I am starting to think this website is trolling Xbox fans. I assume its to get more posts.

if so, great job!

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Comment #91 by blleiffer
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 03:19:52 PM
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Yeeeeaaaa I am gonna wait a year or two for new consoles somethings telling me everyone's gonna get shafted.

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Comment #92 by STLfan2468
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 03:21:37 PM
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Posting articles like this only feeds the trolls. Who cares which console you get? Apparently PS4 fans.

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Comment #93 by skychotic
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 03:30:42 PM
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I love the dipshits that are in denial and keep saying Xbox is #1. Get a clue people. Times change and so should you.

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Comment #94 by sgtleehead
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 03:31:43 PM
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Oh dear. More shit for the fanboys.

Basics : Design and make a system - develop and spend time on it. Get it ready and optimized for launch.

But in this case with the Xbone you actually have two systems - Xbox and Kinect. So the costs, time and development are split between two.

With the PS4 they are not. Hence its about games.

Microsoft engineer:
"We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment play."

Combine - less powerful hardware with the above model from Microsoft and you get the comments seen from the developers.

And why are they anonymous - simple. Would you really be stupid enough to criticize a company the size of Microsoft if you were in the games market?.

Come on folks. Force a change. Don't buy the machine at launch. Wait for Microsoft to panic and react. The price WILL drop. Then buy the machine if you really have to.

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Comment #95 by BumblebeeCody
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 03:39:13 PM
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But can it run Crysis?

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Comment #96 by sgtleehead
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 03:41:47 PM
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I sold my last custom PC because of Crysis. It killed my 8800GT Graphics card. Especially when I picked up the turtle on the beach at the start of the game. My PC nearly melted.


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Comment #97 by XxStuartxX 1990
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 04:01:19 PM
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Truer words have never been spoken.

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Comment #98 by ShadowDemon xYx
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 04:07:36 PM
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This changes absolutely nothing for me. I'm still getting an Xbox One.

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Comment #99 by themetalenock
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 04:08:13 PM
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@94 gabe newell,ubisoft,and may compays that talked about crap the ps3 during its life cycle would like to talk to you.

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Comment #100 by ZLU CORONA
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 04:23:34 PM
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That's BS!!! Xbox one FTW!

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Comment #101 by TaiCoon
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 04:31:00 PM
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Another reason why i wait a few months before i decide which console i will buy.
The customers are the best judges.

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Comment #102 by AsthmaticClock
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 04:43:14 PM
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@58. Funny thing about that I was thinking of picking up a new 360 on xbone relese day.

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Comment #103 by astonwave
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 05:01:59 PM
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I'm waiting for the X-Box One Slim. I NEVER buy a console at launch. Why? Because the system hasn't proven itself yet. I won't buy a PS4 at launch either. I still have my 360 and I love it. I'll still support it as long as Microsoft continues to do so, and maybe THEN, I'll buy an X-Box One.

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Comment #104 by three15
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 05:13:14 PM
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The trouble is, Microsoft have forgotten why people buy a games console. They think we want it to do everything, personally all I want it to do is play games. I don't care about TV functions, Music functions or Kinect gimmicks. The whole thing seems to be a muddled mess.

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Comment #105 by Marciano 315
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 05:14:22 PM
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Why is there always Xbox One vs PS4, just get both and have your favorite to play all games on and the other to play exclusives on. Simple as that.

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Comment #106 by BESCAREDHOMIE92
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 05:22:09 PM
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I'm convinced they'll have this issue sorted by november, a simple download when you start it up and you're off playing BF4 at 60fps. As the article says at the end and what we all knew,the ps3 had this issue its whole life (Skyrim DlC comes to mind) and looked just as good as the 360.

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Comment #107 by Tai_MT
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 05:32:27 PM
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The reason for a "console war" is because people aren't actually sure about their purchase and they want to feel vindicated and justified in whatever their purchase is, even though they think it might suck. So, the PS4 guys bash on Xbox One, because they're afraid of whatever it is that system might offer (like say better games, which is why the 360 did so well). The Xbox One people are bashing the Playstation 4 because they're afraid their console won't do so well since Microsoft is apparently hiring morons to do their dev and marketing work now.

If you want my personal opinion on the subject, it's just a bunch of guys busting each others' balls out of feeling insecure about their system or themselves and have a driving need to "make the best choice" on the subject. These short-sighted morons are the ones who have apparently forgotten that the point of a games console is to play games and have fun. I don't own a Playstation 3, but do I hate on Playstation 3 owners? No, I don't. If they are having fun with their system, more power to them. Would I have ever had fun on their system? No, I wouldn't. I would have bought the system and spent all my money buying classic games to play and then not spending much time playing them because of lack of trophies on them (something Xbox 360 bothered to do was include achievements on all the retro games you could buy). Right now, Playstation 4 is shaping up to look the same to me. Nothing on it I'd like to play, and I'd buy the system just to play retro games.

As of this moment, despite all the issues and complaints I have with the Xbox One (and believe me, I have PLENTY), it has some games on it I actually want to play. Battlefield 4, Destiny, Dead Rising 3, Minecraft, Halo Franchise, etcetera.

If Playstation 4 actually comes out and announces some titles I'd like to play, I'll begin saving for that console as well.

Right now though... Xbox has my attention. You see, I care more about the games of the console than what the console can do, what it comes with, blah blah blah. I don't have the immaturity to get into an e-penis measuring contest with insecure internet nerds.

Hell, maybe Playstation 4 will release an updated version of Final Fantasy 7 through 10. That'd certainly be a great reason right there for me to pick up the games. It'd be sweet if they updated the graphics of those games as well as put out Trophy Lists. Then I'd really be excited to buy a PS4. As of right now though... It's the PS3 lineup all over again.

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Comment #108 by StatikFoBia
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 05:47:13 PM
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@90 I totally agree. I've noticed more and more how bias this site is. I'm surely going to stop using there site. Or at least get some level headed people running the damn thing.

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Comment #109 by dementedlullaby
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 05:49:52 PM
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XB1 could have the power of the WiiU and I'd still buy it to play exclusives. You know.... like I bought the WiiU. I'm a GAMER not a techhead. I love my PC and all, the graphics are super hot. But I'm still not going to play a lousy game with no substance just because it looks purdy. Graphics aren't correlative to fun to be had.

Will I buy multiplat games on PC because they look better and are likely more stable? Yes. Why wouldn't I when I have the option? I still don't want to miss out on exclusives like Dead Rising 3 or Killzone Shadow Fall so I'll still be buying the "gimped" (lol) consoles.

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Comment #110 by head0r Inc
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 06:43:59 PM
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The Devs already cry PRELAUNCH about the weaknesses of the One.. how is it supposed to be in 2-3 years?! Will he One even be able to be on a level with the PS4?! Or are the customers buying a console with outdated hardware which will be pretty much useless in a few years...
This is what I fear, I think MS messed it up.

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Comment #111 by Septic
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 06:56:01 PM
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I thought with cloud the xbox 1 will be like having 4 xbox one's.

All people that don't care about graphics good for you guys. But I have to disagree.

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Comment #112 by Sbeatly
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 07:33:10 PM
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Is it the same anon that assured that games in PS4 would have 7 gig or RAM?

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Comment #113 by Sbeatly
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 07:53:05 PM
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#94 that must be why devs never complained about the PS3, they were so afraid of SONY

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Comment #114 by MadAdam81
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 08:00:44 PM
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With the driver issues, it's really no better than the Wii U as far as resolution and fps, but I assume MS will eventually get around to fixing the problem. If they don't get it fixed soon, then launch titles may suffer.
If MS didn't worry about wasting resources to switch to TV half a second quicker or Kinect or all the other nonsense, the Xbox One could have been better an cheaper than the PS4.

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Comment #116 by scardro
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 08:12:07 PM
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I'm pretty sure the majority of the people here have no idea what any of this means lol and people we already saw what it could do and games ran fine you guys are morons if y'all think some half wit saying the Xone has horrible "graphic drivers" also what are "graphic drivers" there is no component of the such learn computer terminology before spouting trash it's called "graphics card" A+ cert bitches

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Comment #117 by Monkey Wizard
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 10:43:38 PM
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‘20-something’ FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One”...ewww.

Are Micro$oft sure this is a next gen gaming console?, are we being trolled.
I'm so glad i pre ordered a PS4 over this, i get happier every day with my decision... roll on November.

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Comment #118 by Zenka The Myth
Friday, September 13, 2013 @ 11:21:26 PM
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I wish more people on this website had common sense like #8. It's most likely a few Sony owned companies trying to stir the waters.

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Comment #119 by Papa Gooch
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 01:02:33 AM
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I know most of you love your 360, but don't let it blindly lead you to buy a X1. I grew up with Nintendo and my loyalties lied with them for a long time. I always bought Big N's new console but, I started to broaden my horizons when i noticed Sony PlayStation had a lot of cool new experiences that my N64 (while still awesome with it's own slew of hot exclusives) didn't have. Also, I had a lot of friends that were had both (or only a PSX) so it was only natural (to keep up with the times and share in the fun) that I got a PlayStation. I remember I bought Mario Tennis for N64 and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 for PSX on the same day in the Fall of 2000 when I was in my Senior year of high school. I played the shit out of both of them for months. Ya know, you just grow up and realize there's no point in limiting the fun you can have or experiences you can enjoy because you feel this strange unified connection to a certain brand. The X1 might be awesome, as well as the PS4 may be... One could also be better then another... We'll honestly just have to wait and see. As for what my plans are, I pre-ordered a PS4 back in June just so I can sell it when it launches cause (even though Sony said they're holding back stock) they'll be hard to come by and I can get myself Watch Dogs, AC4, and Titanfall for my 360 (as well, as PS Vita) with the profit from selling the system. I'll upgrade to the one I think is showing itself to be the better console most likely 2 years from now... Then 2 years after that I'll buy the other one..... and I'll buy a Wii U when it's $199 for the Deluxe cause my love for Nintendo will never die and I still want those experiences just as much as want the cutting-edge new ones.

Bravo to #19 for getting it.

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Comment #120 by Fire Hawk D
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 02:14:12 AM
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Do people actually read things like this and just sprint to GameStop or where-have-you to cancel their preorders? That would be...ludicrous.

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Comment #121 by scott.m
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 02:55:37 AM
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Anonymous huh?
If they are legit in their complaints then they should reveal who they are so we can believe them, not just make it sound like they are being paid to slander the xbox one.
Then again, if they aren't legit, they won't have jobs for much longer after MS is done with them. Lol

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Comment #122 by el_pieablo
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 03:24:09 AM
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Who cares? Buy whatever console you like the look of! Console wares?!? Surely they are more important things to worry about? I'll pick one up eventfully but only when a price drop happens.

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Comment #123 by lighthouse777
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 04:34:33 AM
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I am still getting the xboxone
this is getting very tiresome
if they are going to say something at least have enough guts
to say who "they" are

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Comment #124 by SolarFury
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 04:49:47 AM
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Please, correct me if I'm missing something, but, taking this sentence from the OT:

"The article says that a “platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at ‘20-something’ FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One”."

Is it only me, or does neither of these sound THAT impressive?

But whatever. The games do the talking for me. I bought a PS3 at launch. Ended getting the 360 the Xmas after because the game selection was better, not because one could 'do more' or was 'more powerful' than the other.

At the moment, the One has games I want to play. If I do go for a new console, that'll be the one.

And *waves* at the PS3trophies users coming over having 'a laugh' at some of these comments. Whatever floats your boat guys. :D

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Comment #125 by KFZ Scrubs
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 04:54:45 AM
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I doubt it's worth losing their job to reveal who they are

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Comment #126 by MajickBullitt
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 05:05:53 AM
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Why do they even post this BS on here? I'm beginning to think the people who run this site are the trolls.

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Comment #127 by Kroesis
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 05:26:54 AM
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@116 My computer has drivers for it's nVidia graphics card. Software for the hardware.

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Comment #128 by Pearson
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 06:21:12 AM
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It's articles like this that brings out the trolls like #94 and others from ps3trophies and spew their vial hatred over an inanimate object. Must be members. Are you guys members of race hate groups too?

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Comment #130 by f1r3storm
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 06:42:43 AM
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Coming from the PlayStation biased Edge, i don't give this much credit.

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Comment #131 by SUPERNOVACG
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 07:17:31 AM
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Since when have small spec differences made one console better than another? Who gives a shit? Nobody made a huge deal about how SNES sounded better than the Genesis, or that the N64 had no load times, but PS1 had CD quality sound. Grow the fuck up. Play what you like, don't know why everything is some 3rd grade kid rivalry. Buy what you like, play it, and shut the hell up. Personally Gears, Halo, Fable, and most other microsoft exclusives are better than any PS exclusive any day of the week, having these matter much more than which has better graphics drivers.

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Comment #132 by AKfoy0face
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 07:50:15 AM
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lol do u ever post good news about the xbox?

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Comment #133 by Ned King
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 08:27:12 AM
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Best thing to do is wait and see what sort of reviews it gets a few months after its release instead of listing to rumors and speculation.
Then buy the console that suits you best,at the moment the Xbox 360 still suits me combined with my PC for Rome total war 2 so I'm in no hurry to choose.

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Comment #134 by Kaunte
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 08:36:32 AM
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Just because a game looks amazing, doesn't mean it wasn't a pain in the ass to make.

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Comment #135 by Rafie
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 08:38:01 AM
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@131 Sir you are incorrect. All of those exclusives from MS are better than any Sony exclusive any day of the week?! WOW! I have both systems I play extensively so it doesn't matter to me. HOWEVER, MS exclusives of this current generation is no where near Sony's...and that's that. Even Xbox fanboys can admit that. Why do you think MS has poured billions into getting new IP's and exclusives for the XB1?

Don't want to go into the PS exclusives because there are so many while the 360 really had a few. It looks as if this won't be the case this time around. We wanted more new A rated quality IPs and MS is delivering it. Still, it's too early to say if this beats any exclusives that Sony still has. Just taking an objective view here.

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Comment #136 by relilimex
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 08:48:10 AM
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We already know that PS 4 is better in every aspect. to be Xbone is more of a casual TV box then a gaming console.

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Comment #137 by stee01
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 08:59:00 AM
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Sorry I am no tech head. But I thought Forza 5 could run on 60 fps.

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Comment #138 by Sonnenberg
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 10:09:10 AM
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I posted a week ago about waiting 6 months to see the full picture of Xbone.

I also said I will most likely buy one, but I'll wait for a second generation Xbone and not deal with RRoD's illegitimate child.

And who knows, maybe I'll save myself a few hundred bucks by not buying it before xmas.

Annnd my snowboard pass is much more important than Xbone, especially after these reviews coming out.......

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Comment #139 by skaghead
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 11:46:50 AM
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Not sure what is worse, all of the fanboy posting or all of the fanboy baiting articles posted on the gaming websites. Its about time the community grew up and stopped acting like children , and I think the gaming press needs to take that first step. Gaming should be treated with the same respect as film and books, its a pity we have to put up with such shoddy coverage and reporting that is only aimed at gathering clicks for websites

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Comment #140 by prezskroob
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 02:55:13 PM
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"All sources stress that work on the graphics drivers will continue up to and beyond the Xbox One’s release"

Does that sound to anyone else like they are planning on releasing an unfinished console? Or is it just me?

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Comment #141 by Gemgemchan
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 02:59:40 PM
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First I wanted xbox one, then ps4, then I was torn between the two, now heading back over to ps4. T-T

I want to get an xbox one but ps4 is sounding so much better atm

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Comment #142 by skaghead
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 03:08:15 PM
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@140 with todays world of online connectivity you will struggle to find a product released that cannot be fine-tuned or adjusted via firmware updates- The PS4 will be doing exactly the same so strictly speaking both consoles will be "unfinished" .Just look at your average PC with all the driver updates that receives , to think a gaming console won't get the same is a bit old fashioned

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Comment #143 by skaghead
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 03:10:30 PM
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@141 simple get the console that has the games you want, look to the exclusives if your on the fence. I love Forza and the xbox controller so my decision has been made

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Comment #144 by GATSU21
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 03:10:32 PM
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All game footage that I've seen running on Xbox one looks phenomenal. Im calling bs on this. EDGE has been on sony since the launch of the ps3 so like I said BS.

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Comment #145 by Zmoke
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 03:32:33 PM
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All we know is that the PS4 is *not worse* than the One, by specs.

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Comment #146 by Death shrimp X
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 05:15:46 PM
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@132 they would if there was any. The only reason to go from 360 to Xbone is if you want rinse and repeat sequels. Even though theres a new infamous and killzone on PS its still new for me thats why im jumping ship cause this boat is sinking fast.

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Comment #147 by tbassett
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 05:19:19 PM
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who cares about this garbage. 69 days and I'll be home enjoying the X1 playing games I actually want to play, DR3, Forza 5, and maybe Ryse(depending on the reviews). I will take a minute and think of all the loyal Sony fans that are playing Killzone and some indie games that could easily run on PS3/360 and I'll feel a little sorry for them. Then I'll go back to playing good games.

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Comment #148 by The Cipriani
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 05:22:42 PM
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Their like little kids:
"my graphics are better than yours, ner ner ner"
OMG, start making consoles for the gamers, with decent games ! Stop argueing and get a grip !!!

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Comment #149 by dom456
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 07:48:25 PM
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I have one word for u all. Titanfall. Nuff said

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Comment #150 by PANIC ATTACK 10
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 07:59:21 PM
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well i have been with xbl since day 1. i bought a 360 for kingkong. but i also believed i bought the best console. than i got a ps3 slim for dcuo.

now MS lied for years denying the rrods. yet MS knew it was a built in defect. MS knew this and lied about it. i had to buy 6 consoles so i could play my games! thats ridiculous!

now as a ps3 owner. i loved GOW uncharted extra. i have not noticed any droablems with games and system. sony admits hacking and gives tons of stuff away for free. also no taxes on psn dollars and psn memberships. yet MS wont do the same.

i believed in MS. because it knows the pc world very well. the xbox was awesome. but the 360 was a huge let down from rrods. i wont blindly put my trust in either company. i wont be going next gen. i am perfectly happy with what i got. 360 ps3 kinect and 3dsxl.

all have way too many games i will never complete this lifetime. if the 360 breacks down again. i will go all sony. as for next gen. sony wins for 2 reasons. their system works and E3 said it all. done with MS lies. MS goes back on their word. forces changes we dont want. then tells us how much we love the changes via major neilson.

well i want what works. i dont need better graphics. what i need is a system that wont breack after warrenty expires. so no thanks. i will stick with what i got. MS should have made upgrades via firmware extra to kinect. now games i wanted on kinect. which were promissed on this gen. i have to buy next gen. no thanks MS. make systems and a kinect that works or dont make them at all!

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Comment #151 by PANIC ATTACK 10
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 08:19:37 PM
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oh how i miss the sega/nintendo wars..... RIP.

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Comment #152 by Done For You
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 09:47:43 PM
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i call bullshit

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Comment #153 by smokevf
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 11:28:17 PM
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So I can call myself a developer and say ps4 is already over heating? Oh no that must be so so so true a developer is saying that.

If this was true why the fuck is most of the developer's like EA, Ubisoft, Capcom all saying there mostly the same thing just looks different?

This is the biggest bullshit I have ever read!

Whats next to talk shit about the xbox one?

God damn!

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Comment #154 by Stig Semper Fi
Saturday, September 14, 2013 @ 11:41:17 PM
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Of course graphics are the most important thing in video gaming. Not.

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Comment #155 by WHITEYBHOY
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 12:33:29 AM
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Anonymous developer ? Sounds like somebodys development team aren't up to the task of stepping up to next gen.If they're finding it so hard ,why not come out & actually name yourself & the reasons you're struggling .If you're not up to the task ,there's the door,plenty of other developers will replace you.Hope Microsoft find the source & bullet them from developing altogether." If you can't stand the heat,stay out of the kitchen".

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Comment #156 by WHITEYBHOY
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 12:44:05 AM
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As for Edge publishing an article based on rumours & chinese whispers,you've lost all credibility in my eyes.Investigative journalism !! No.Wonder how much the backhander was to even contemplate giving this tripe a voice,show your findings Edge or just sit on the fence with all the clique's that are games journalists.Elitist snobby pricks.

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Comment #157 by Rev0Knuckle
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 03:26:58 AM
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I'm calling bullshit on this one. Edge have totally lost their ?Edge, they used t be a well respected publication but have fallen so far now it's unbelievable. Without credible sources no story is worth the paper it's printed on.

I suspect (as others have said) that this "anonymous source" is actually a Sony employee. Or even worse this person doesn't even exist and, it's merely an ad revenue generator story, designed to gain a few more clicks over the weekend when there's no real news.

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Comment #158 by Nutty Scouser
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 03:50:09 AM
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Basically the xbox one is NOT ready - while the PS4 is ready im afraid

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Comment #159 by DeadlySinz86
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 04:27:04 AM
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The PS4 will undoubtedly be faster, 50% faster? Maybe. But Multiplat developers always develop the games for the weaker console, then port across. So all your Watchdogs, Assassin's Creeds, Call of Duty's, Battlefields ... they'll all look the same for both consoles, it's only the exclusives that you'll see the difference and Forza 5 is already looking far more stunning then GT6 imo.

I really don't think this is anything to worry about. ,

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Comment #160 by ll L3G3ND ll
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 07:50:33 AM
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@159 Gran turismo 6 is on ps3 only, not ps4, of course its going to look worse than forza 5 you idiot.

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Comment #161 by Sanchezz4387
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 08:54:36 AM
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LMFAO @ all the but hurts, ironic thing is 90% of the rumours about always online and no used games etc came from mostly anonymous sources and look at what happened there. Xbone is the next gen dreamcast can see it already

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Comment #162 by FOXHOUND MGS4
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 09:48:48 AM
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Less power more power I don't give a shit, all I care about is playing games end of

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Comment #163 by tbassett
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 09:52:07 AM
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@161 if the X1 is like the dreamcast that will be fantastic. That system had more great games in a short windows than anyone could ask for. I hope you are right!

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Comment #164 by treo9
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 10:09:42 AM
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The difference between both the Xbox One and PS4 is “significant” and “obvious.”

Yep, that's why i pre ordered the PS4 after E3.

A really bad console launch and follow up from Microsoft i think, a bad name ,DRM policy turnarounds, people quitting/being fired and terrible marketing...what a mess.

Sad really, they had it all with the 360 and they have thrown it all away.

I am personally more interested in the PS4's GDDR5 being much better suited for "gaming" tasks than the DDR3 which the Xbox One has, than the extra $100 for Kinect2.0 over GDDR5, that's just "one" example why this Xbox console wasn't designed around gaming... but whatever everyone has there one opinions i guess.

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Comment #165 by s1c1m
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 01:42:45 PM
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Sicking with the xbox one because sony doesn't have the games that i want to play. They showed a lot of multi platform games and nothing that was exclusive that seemed interesting. DR3, Titanfall, Halo 5, Quantum Break, Killer Instinct. thats a pretty strong list if we go by games which most people would agree with

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Comment #166 by piedudething
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 02:12:28 PM
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I don't buy this. It's always "Anonymous" sources. Grows some nuts and admit who you are if you want your point to have any credibility.

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Comment #167 by GANZ VII
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 02:20:10 PM
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@6 I agree, if it wasn't for kinect I might buy it 6 months after release, so MS can suck my fucking grapes.

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Comment #168 by X Dirge X
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 03:56:41 PM
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False Article, is False. Sounds like his "agnostic development build" is not so agnostic. Forza 5 confirmed at 60fps 1920×1080

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Comment #169 by brent420
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 09:48:26 PM
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Honestly who gives a shit lets just play cod ghosts

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Comment #170 by Funky Jay Dawg
Sunday, September 15, 2013 @ 11:24:11 PM
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I'm sure Microsoft will pull it together. Two months and I got faith.

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Comment #171 by ll Dem3nted ll
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 12:58:33 AM
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So many trolls posting on this article...

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Comment #172 by chiphoi
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 04:49:00 AM
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The more I see this type of news, the more I feel like I'm watching a political election campaign, with the mudslinging to damage the other party. As with any "RUMINT" (Rumor Intelligence), it only needs to be based off 10% fact to be published. Chances are we'll continue to see these reports up to the actual release (election), but like any major event, results will be base off individual satisfaction with your vote (purchase). Personally, I am looking forward to November 22nd. After seeing the Xbox One in a MS Store this past weekend, it's actually a very nice looking piece of hardware. I'm staying optimistic.

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Comment #173 by Blueballs88
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 06:24:09 AM
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Oh wow, driver issues. Doesn't deter me from changing my preorder status at all. These people are just windbags that don't have credibility except to bash a console before the final product comes out. Still getting my Xbox One on day one and it is going to stay that way :)

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Comment #174 by Oversig
Monday, September 16, 2013 @ 09:45:13 AM
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Just for the FANBOYS:

The future of Gaming depends on a customer driven company & Sony has shown it has never lost sight of this reality!

To long have I been a gamer not to feel a great sense of overdue payback that Sony has now got to enjoy for Microsoft's corruption & greed.
They put out the 360 before it was RROD proof just to get the early money at the expense or concern of the consumers. Sony waited to resolve there heating problem before putting out the PS3 showing concern & reliability.
Still FANBOYS of Xbox continue to take up for a company that had every intention of putting a DRM policy that would have destroyed the industry!

Sony is #1 & has always been despite what I've read other's say on here!

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Comment #176 by anyold
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 11:13:22 AM
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@174 "Sony waited to resolve there heating problem before putting out the PS3 showing concern & reliability"

I guess you must not have seen the re-calls they had to do for the PS3 due to issues.

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Comment #177 by dakose28
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 @ 05:21:07 PM
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as Mary answered I'm alarmed that any body can earn $7004 in 1 month on the internet. Learn More

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Comment #178 by Oversig
Wednesday, September 18, 2013 @ 11:15:06 AM
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@174 Firmware I think is what your "issues" mean?
I bet if the truth be told more than 40% of the 360's bought were to replace a former RROD console. Update>Just researched it while posting this. Are you ready for the truth?
Fact: In 2009 Xbox360 failure rate was {{{{{{{54.2%}}}}}}}
PS3 at the same time failure rate was 10.6%
The Xbox 360 was released on November 22, 2005
The PS3 was released on November 17, 2006
I hope this finally puts Micro$oft in perspective for you "FANBOYS"
Don't believe the numbers? here you go>
Also!!! If you take the numbers of 360's sold that were in fact replacements from the 54.2% of people.
Sony PS3 not only beat but stomped sales of the 360.
And yes," I will re-post this again, & again...

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Comment #180 by Oversig
Tuesday, September 24, 2013 @ 09:16:54 AM
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My previous post was wrong." I meant to say @176 instead of my post on 174.
Everything else I stated in the post is spot-on.
Thanks ;)

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