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|Comment #1 by adz5000 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 05:42:31 AM
|If the monthly subscription is high then you can forget this game developing much of a following :( |
its sad as it could be so special.
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|Comment #2 by XxStuartxX 1990 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 05:48:33 AM
|I want this so much, but the monthly fee is like 15 quid or something, and on top of that there is Micro transactions which makes me want to steer clear to protect my wallet from the ass fucking of a lifetime. |
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|Comment #3 by CoffeeAddict5 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 05:54:05 AM
|I think the game's going to be good and I'll give it a shot when it's free, but I can't justify paying monthly to play any game. I don't have the time available to be able to get my monies worth. |
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|Comment #4 by thenewpeter |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:03:45 AM
|I still feel the players being given too much in this game, classe's should have limits to weaponry, meaning weapons can boost specific stats, it seems like its going to suffer the same problem the other elder scroll's have, where you become too powerful and just walk over anything, never mind how easy having multiple people would make it. |
Like others have said, I can't really justify the payment, after paying about £50 to just get ahold of the game, its far too high to spend 15 a month after that, even with the free month. Add in the micro-transaction's which will rip people off (lets be honest, we know they will, even if its only customisation, it'll utterly more then likely rip people off with the pricing).
This game, with great potential, is having some issue's which could ruin it's chance's for so many.
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|Comment #5 by SeraphTC |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:05:28 AM
|@2 They haven't confirmed the monthly fee yet. It'll probably be about £10 like pretty much every other MMO. |
Where/when did they say there would be micro transactions? (Not having a dig - honestly asking. I haven't seen that info. A link would be good).
I was under the impression that they aren't using MT's because they are completely avoiding the F2P model by using the subscription model instead. If there are MT's I'd expect them to be for completely unnecessary cosmetic crap rather than say, the implementation seen in Neverwinter or STO etc.
I just don't understand other gamers sometimes. They'll moan like hell about MT's in games, but then they'll moan like hell when a developer says they're doing an MMO with a subscription instead of funding it with MT's!!
Developers don't work for free and they don't get food donations. Running servers isn't free either. I'd much rather pay £10-£15pcm to have full access to all of the content in an MMO whenever I like, than I would play for 'free' and have to fork out probably MORE than £10-£15pcm to progress properly in the game or access everything.
As for anyone thinking of complaining that it should be included in the cost of LIVE - wake the f**k up. How does the subscription fee that you pay to Microsoft to fund content and Xbox Live access pay for a third-party developer to run an MMO? That's right, it doesn't. These things aren't free to develop and they aren't free to run, maintain, and create content for either.
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|Comment #6 by Hudson888 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:09:08 AM
|I get the feeling the monthly subscription will quickly drop if not go completely. There are already a lot of people voicing concerns about paying £50 and £15 a month, which I think is fairly justified. |
Either have the game free, with the monthly sub fee,
Pay for the game and no sub fee, and supported by micro transactions.
Yes I know people don't like Micro transactions, but they will have to support the game financially some way, and quite frankly we cant have it all.
I really want to play this game, but I don't think I can justify paying £50 and £15 a month, there aren't many MMO that charge £15 a month, and if they do, they are more than likely free to download, or a lot cheaper than £50.
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|Comment #7 by calex deus |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:14:29 AM
|Paying to play it monthly doesn't bother me, paying full price for the game and being asked to pay monthly to play it does bother me however. |
If they want a single cent of my money the disc/download would have to be free.
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|Comment #8 by SeraphTC |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:15:55 AM
|@6 Where is the £15pcm subscription fee coming from? I didn't think that had been officially confirmed yet? |
Where is the £50 retail price coming from?
I wouldn't be surprised if it launched at £35.
Don't forget that with an MMO the cost of the game includes the first months subscription. Most people will happily drop £50 for a game and trade it in within a month - I think it's worth dropping full price on this and using your 30days to see how you get on with it.
You might find that you'd prefer to drop £15 to play it again the following month than you would buy another game at £50.
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|Comment #9 by Agent Mantis |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:21:13 AM
|@5 it's £8.99 a month. The subscription model is outdated, I don't believe you get a better game for paying monthly. Guild wars does well as a F2P and Star wars and star trek have both made the switch successfully. There is a huge difference between pay 2 play and MTs for vanity items |
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|Comment #10 by thenewpeter |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:26:48 AM
|@8, given the retail release price's for other xbox one games, it's more then likely going to be the full £50, alot about this new generation has seemed money grubbing, this game being no exception (retail price, monthly fee and micro-transaction's). |
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|Comment #11 by SeraphTC |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:27:44 AM
|@7 I'm not saying that it's the correct stance to take, but I don't ever recall a subscription MMO launching with a free client. |
If they gave the client away for free right off the bat, they'd lose a shit load of money from people downloading it, playing it for a month and never going back to it. That's a huge risk with an MMO - in theory they might never get the development cost back and that could cripple the publisher/developer. The cost of the game is a bit of an insurance policy against that sort of loss.
Don't forget that the cost of the 'game' also traditionally includes the cost of the first months subscription. If someone buys it, plays it for a month then never goes back to it they haven't spent any more money than they would have on any other game they never touch again after the first play through.
On the other hand, a 7x or 14x day level capped trial is a great idea, and is something that doesn't get offered enough at the launch of an MMO.
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|Comment #12 by Hudson888 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:27:47 AM
|@8 I don't know how much it costs, but there were rumours is was going to be around £15, it could have been $15 I cant remember. |
£50 is coming from, what the price of an Xbox One game roughly is, that's all.
If people do trade it in after a month, then it will fail. but I think a lot of people may do this, and that's partly why I think it will drop in price.
Look at Star Wars the old republic.
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|Comment #13 by SeraphTC |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:33:54 AM
|@9 £8.99 seems pretty reasonable to me if that's actually been confirmed. |
STO made the switch yes - but it's absolutely bloody full of MT's. Yes you can play it without dropping cash, but 50% of your random drops will be crates that you need to pay to unlock.
SW:TOR didn't switch - they added a f2p option, and that game is absolutely HORRIBLE to play f2p. You're so limited it's barely worth the effort - most of their revenue still comes from their subscribers (there is still a subscription model in place).
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|Comment #14 by SeraphTC |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 06:46:28 AM
|@12 I think that's the source of the price confusion. It's £9/$15. |
The video on this german site (the interview is in English) explains the additional charges:
A lot of journo's seemed to jump on the bandwagon and start waving the 'micro transaction warning' flag around. They might be right, but that's not the vibe I got from that video at all. He does say 'fun stuff' - and yeah, that could be pointless cosmetic items - but based on what they say about how the IP works, this won't be via an 'in game' store as some sites reported. The other chargeables seem to be services - name changes/server moves etc - exactly as with every other MMO and to be expected.
Unless something changed since that interview, I don't expect f2p style MT's or any immersion breaking 'buy me' prompts at all. More likely it'll be mini-dlc style listings on the live marketplace.
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|Comment #15 by Lazy_FAQer |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 07:02:07 AM
|I loved ES;IV & V, but I think that if they have a monthly subscription, maybe they should go digital only & have it free to download with 2 weeks free membership. |
Seems more fair & they will get more people trying it as well.
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|Comment #16 by Hudson888 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 07:09:35 AM
|I'm not bothered by micro transactions, I get why some people don't like them, but to me, if I don't want it then I wont buy it. |
If it was £9 a month, and the game was £40 or a bit cheaper then I think a lot of people would be more interested.
I don't think £9 is a bad price to pay. I would pay it as long as the game was good enough, and it wasn't pay to win. Which I don't think it will be.
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|Comment #17 by gravelandx88 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 08:36:12 AM
|How about a yearly sub plan? It would have to be cheaper than paying $180s at $15s a month. Similar to XBL Gold sub plans. |
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|Comment #18 by shavron |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 09:33:01 AM
|I don't think the people who are saying the game should be free if the developers want to charge a subscription have really thought it through. Maintaining servers costs money and that's what the subscription fee goes to. The development of the project costs a ton of money as well. Whatever profits are seen from the subscription fees will not be substantial enough to make up for the millions of dollars it cost to make the game. At least not in a reasonable time. If they want to make expansions for the game and other future projects they have to charge for the game. |
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|Comment #19 by Roose91 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 09:49:22 AM
|Against all odds, I actually really like the look of this. However the fact that you have to pay and sub and that the servers will almost certainly be gone within 3-5 years like most MMO's could very much still stop me buying this. |
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|Comment #20 by Mrryan12 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 10:33:50 AM
|If this game turns out really good, you will find that people will gladly pay a subscription for it. It's just a gamer taboo, I bet the PC version will flourish because they are more used to subscription fees, once console gamers see how great the game is with an active community hopefully they will look for the same on their console. |
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|Comment #21 by Shiftie |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 11:34:40 AM
|I wish the damn beta for this game wasn't open on X1 launch weekend!! I think they need to do a X1 beta to make up for it :p |
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|Comment #22 by cheevo360 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 12:11:42 PM
|Rubbish. I can't wait for Fallout 4. |
Not want supports Bethesda for TESO because pay per month.
I had paid my Gold XBL, PSN and buy many games I want and buy downloadable games in Wii U's eShop, XBL and PSN and of course DLCs.
I not want pay online for one game. Bethesda surely waste their time.
Just take it off or just stay as free because whole players had already paid damn Gold and PSN plus. What is stupid ideas from Bethesda.
Nevermind look forward Fallout 4. I am in disappointed with Bethesda because they seem only care about money now this why bought one of best Franchise into money business. WTF!!!
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|Comment #23 by cheevo360 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 12:15:45 PM
|EA, Ubisoft and Activision is one of largest publishers who cared about money most so Bethesda is now 4th publishers joined others. Lol :) |
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|Comment #24 by Gentleman |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 01:04:10 PM
|@ #22 and #23 |
Yeah, it's called running a fucking business. You ever tried doing that before? Do you know what a business is?
Also, learn grammar.
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|Comment #25 by scott.m |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 01:34:57 PM
|Im definately buying this. If they have a trial period, a weekend ormonth, im going to try out all I can to see if its worth my money. If I like what I get then yes, I will pay. Depending on the content you get as well ill be happy to pay for MTs, unless its horse armour.......... |
im not going to whinge & complain just yet about spending money, its an MMO, & its needs a way to 1. Stay running & 2. Be able to have a financial backing for future expansion.
@#22, im pretty sure Elder Scrolls may have a bigger following than fallout. Dont get me wrong they are both fantastic, being that it is bethesda, but seriously, fallout 4 IS COMING....... so you can wait.
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|Comment #26 by vowwels |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 02:43:56 PM
|@22, @24 is right, they are running a business. And of course we have no idea what the fee will be if there is one, nothing has yet to be confirmed to my knowledge. If the game is good, people will pay the cost. Some people may disagree, that is their opinion and choice. It is what it is. See you guys online! |
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|Comment #27 by DMichaels86 |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 04:05:30 PM
|My friend is playing the beta on his PC and its $15 a month, so I say expect it to be that price across all platforms... Otherwise, the PC gamers will revolt if they have to pay and consoles don't |
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|Comment #28 by R0KETM4N |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 04:42:06 PM
|This looks really stupid. Just like every other elder scrolls game with MMO aspects ... take SWTOR as an example ... it's just like KOTOR, but with MMO "features", and that game model tanked in the first year. How can these guys expect this to work. Just work on quality single player elder scrolls games, and we'll all be happy! |
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|Comment #29 by Joker0fLife |
Wednesday, December 04, 2013 @ 05:44:48 PM
|I don't think what people are realizing here is that you get a month free if you buy the game. That is MORE than enough time to get decently far in the game AND judge whether or not you want to pay the monthly subscription after your free trial is up. You complain about paying for Live and having to pay a subscription on top of it, but that's the price you got to pay if you want to play on a console. People seem to think this game will fail based on how many people like it for the Xbox, but fail to realize it's coming out on PC as well, where gamers are used to paying a sub on top of buying the game. |
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|Comment #30 by Slim Shady |
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 04:26:29 AM
|LOL @ every1 who is bitching about the $15 a month fee. A game like this will constantly be updated with more stuff to do, it's an MMO & that is why there is a fee. It costs $$$ for a dev to keep updating a massive game like this with more content. This game will cost no more than a normal games CE, & it will have the content of many games in one. U get what u pay for people. Common sense please. |
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|Comment #31 by Lordgold |
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 06:30:24 AM
|Bethesda must be high if they think im shelling out $180/year to play a game i wouldve already paid for. YA RIGHT. Srs, almost every franchise i play keeps getting greedier. They wont be happy until i stop playing games, which at this rate will be soon. |
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|Comment #32 by lizard9979 |
Thursday, December 05, 2013 @ 08:03:50 AM
|@8: You do realize how much money these companies make for selling games full retail price, right? |
Also, microsoft is front the bill for cloud servers for this game. Developers are buying their server space at pennies on the dollar, why do you think cloud gaming is sush a selling point?
The main cost of any MMO are the servers. That cost is not there for EOS. They are taken a completely unproven gaming genre (MMO) and making us pay to play a game we pay FULL RETAIL for.
How many un-informed parents are going to drop $60 for a game not knowing about the month to month?
I love the Elder Scroll series. I have played everyone from inception, but until they go Free to Play, I will save my money for every other awesome MMO(esque) game coming out that is FREE to play once you buy the game.