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The Great Fable 2 Achievement Conspiracy
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It is with great regret that I write this news story; especially after things started so positively for Fable 2 and its hugely original achievement list. Let me first point out that in no way shape or form does this affect Fable 2 as a game, because in the end it’s still an amazing experience that I recommend to everyone.

Let me start off by making everyone aware of Microsoft’s achievement policy, as posted by the Gamerscore Blog team themselves and I'd like to bring your attention to the first rule:

All regular disc-based games MUST have 1,000 Gamerscore in the base game. This means that any consumer who buys a retail game will have the opportunity to unlock the full 1,000 Gamerscore without having to pay for any add-on content. Note that a publisher may decide to deliver a portion of this Gamerscore via add-on content, but the add-on content will always be free to the consumer.

This is a pretty much accepted policy across the board ... or so I thought.

Now, having put over 50 hours in to Fable 2 already, along with plenty of other forumites who were in my boat, it appears that Lionhead must not have got this Microsoft memo. Even worse is, that it managed to get through the final stages of testing and certification without it being noticed.

The achievement under the limelight here is the aptly named “Completionist” achievement whereby it requires gamers to max out all their abilities and gain all their hero’s and dog’s expressions. Fair enough you think? Well, the fact that two of these expressions (one for the dog and one for your hero (Hat, Hairband, Moustache and the dog’s Backflip) can only be unlocked by playing the Xbox Live Arcade Pub Games title is enough to make Fable 2 a violation of Microsoft’s own rule.

However, before being hasty and posting this, I checked every inch of the Albion; unlocking all the Demon Doors and buying every piece of property ... Still nothing.  Even the Brady Games Guide says that you need to unlock them via the Xbox Live Arcade title. However, the optimist inside of me, still screamed, “don’t jump to conclusions” ... So I didn’t.

The next logical step was to speak to Lionhead themselves and what better than on their forums where they recently commented that they “might be silent on these boards, but we are watching and listening to you, the community, and are looking into all serious issues that are bought to our attention.” After little attention or response by anyone to my thread, I PM’ed the link to Lionhead’s Community Manager, Sam Van Tilburgh and to my amazement, the thread was deleted a day or so later without any word of warning.

However, you must love the beauty of cache in this day and age because Google managed to keep my thread safe and sound which you can view in image format here. I'm sure many of you will agree that I raise a valid point in a polite and constructive manner which should not warrant a delete.
 

 
So I put these questions to you ... Why did Lionhead delete our thread without response if they didn’t have something to hide? Why of all games, did Microsoft’s beloved Fable 2 get away with breaking the achievement policy? What do they intend to do about this?

And before someone raises the “see another Hero do so” issue; someone must have had to buy it originally to spread the achievement. If that surely is the reason, then it seems a weak way of upholding the rules by allowing for different loopholes to play out. Oh, and before I get the “you’re bitter because you haven’t got it yourself”, I was lucky to get in as a friend achieved it very recently.
 
This isn't the first time we've had the unusual bending of the achievement policies; with The Orange Box getting above the original 99 achievements with some upcoming DLC and Halo 3 getting a mind boggling 1750 points, the road points to uncertainty for the system. Even the recent Rock Band stuff is making the system a bit of a mockery. What is the point in having rules and policies in place if they are going to be broken so regularly?

Our main concern however is that this doesn't open the floodgates and encourage other developers and publishers to start making this a common occurrence. It needs to be stomped before it can escalate.

In the meantime, we've gone to Microsoft for an answer and we'll update you when/ if they get back to us. If people want to voice their disgust, head on over to the Lionhead forums, but please do it in a constructive and polite fashion.
 
Thoughts, questions, outrage ... Whack it all in the comments.



 
 

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Comment #1 by Baddspelwer
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:18:16 PM
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Seems like microsoft has gotta start cracking down on these violations.


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Comment #2 by Daywalker-san
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:18:35 PM
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Pehaps MS will make Pub Games free? would solve the issue, and dosnt Hellboy have a similar issue with DLC


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Comment #3 by squirreltakos
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:20:00 PM
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Oh crap, that's dumb


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Comment #4 by Infomouse
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:20:58 PM
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Yea i cant get that completionist because of it, lame, anyone wanna help me lol


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Comment #5 by Jimjons
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:22:15 PM
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Huh, Fuck me silly.


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Comment #6 by Sensi Sanchez
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:23:30 PM
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Didn't you get pub games free when you pre ordered the game? I'm sure a lot of people did that.


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Comment #7 by Bunny Brigade
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:23:48 PM
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please Block quartzlcc from the site.

i haven't played Fable 2, and it seems like this problem is being a bit.. played up. over-dramatics.

as great as achievement points are, games shouldn't be about them. the core game itself, seemingly, should be enough.

i don't see this problem escalating as much as you predict, but Lionshead handling of the problem, so far, has been less than admirable.

best wishes


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Comment #8 by Jimjons
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:25:40 PM
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I dont want to pay any more money for 1000 gs, fuck Lionhead


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Comment #9 by cortex21
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:26:13 PM
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@3 ha self-owned.

yeah, it better make pub games free and but sure;y they must of noticed this earlier


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Comment #10 by IceKingz
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:27:06 PM
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Man, that sucks. I was gonna buy the Pub games but I didn't know for sure if I was gonna buy Fable 2 or not. Now that I have and figured out that the Pub games is pointless and that the games are in Fable 2, it's just a waste of money.

I heard someone say a while ago on GFaqs that they got it from a glitch, the achievement unlocked without having the 2 evil expressions or any of the Pub Games expressions. Hopefully this happens to me. If not, sadly enough I'm determined enough that I would probably end up buying the game. =/


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Comment #11 by mksystem74
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:27:27 PM
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Simplest solution would be for them first to admit their mistake and then offera free DLC pack of the books needed to learn the expressions. you download it, go to that magical visit fable2.com chest and look inside. Simple.


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Comment #12 by ViciouS VladdY
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:28:23 PM
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Pub Games was Free when you pre-ordered Fable 2 from game stop


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Comment #13 by Munkeh111
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:29:29 PM
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Thanks for raising this issue! I really hope that this does not become more common, as I dont intend to pay for extra DLC to get my 1000gs


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Comment #14 by Bunny Brigade
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:29:32 PM
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by the way, thank you for being so amazingly level headed.


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Comment #15 by Richmyster6907
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:30:11 PM
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LMAO look at all these mad opinions already hehe


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Comment #16 by Hoebagger
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:33:49 PM
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I dare say you were as polite as possible regarding this issue, it seems strange that Lionhead would act a bitch like that.


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Comment #17 by Krueger1428
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:36:52 PM
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This is so fucking stupid, I can't believe that'd sink this low. I have 970 on Fable 2 right now, so I already have this achievement, but this is still bullshit. Way to drop the ball Lionhead, like the co-op wasn't bad enough, now you have to screw people out of achievements.


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Comment #18 by xI DaR3DeViL Ix
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:41:41 PM
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Surely they are going to have to make Pub Games free.... Lets hope lol.


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Comment #19 by BuletproofMunky
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:43:13 PM
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they should just make the pub games free to download, then surely this would solve the problem ??


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Comment #20 by puma
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:50:46 PM
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i'm sure the majority of people who buy and play this game will beat it and put it away. a lot of people like to get the achievements but not everyone is as hardcore about it as we are. i mean, the completionist achievement is a lot of work any ways.


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Comment #21 by crunchb3rry
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:52:21 PM
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Charging for Pub Games to begin with enabled Microsoft to unlock the Asshole Achievement.


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Comment #22 by hestar
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 07:58:49 PM
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@ 21 lmaoooooooooo...

I agree though.making me buy pub games was BS..Ohh well,I got 1000/1000 on the game yesterday so I don't have to play this letdown of a game EVER again..


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Comment #23 by hestar
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:00:47 PM
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what the hell,it showed crunchb3rry @ 21 and now hes 22..


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Comment #24 by Plankenstien
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:02:14 PM
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If that's whats goin on whith the game then i aint botherin to get it. I think it is totaly out of order what Lionhead has done!!!!


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Comment #25 by Chaosflare
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:02:23 PM
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Could always be a simple mistake. Boo-friggin-hoo. Either way, the game was free if you reserved the game. -_-


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Comment #26 by CaptainFuntimes
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:06:56 PM
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@4 Incorrect sir.

Maybe they should just release a patch that puts people in the game that teaches you the expressions when you complete their quest. That way everybody wins.


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Comment #27 by bonzojoe
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:07:06 PM
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will be interesting to see how this turns out, i'm not that bothered as planning on buying pub games soon anyway.

and to those saying pub games was free if you pre-ordered, not true for all retailers where i got mine from didn't


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Comment #28 by emirP sumitpO
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:08:05 PM
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It's not even a fact that Pub games should be free now. It's clear in the policy that you should be able to get the Full 1000 by playing the actual Disc Game only. So not only should pub games be free but Fablle 2 should have have been linked via achievements to the pub games arcade in the first place.


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Comment #29 by ddpacker
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:10:50 PM
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FUCKING ASSHOLE BILL GATES :D

they never said SHIT about Crackdown...

and if they went and said "Oh, well you can let somebody borrow your harpoon gun." but in fable 2, you can give somebody the Completionist EASY.


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Comment #30 by ddpacker
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:13:37 PM
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FUCKING ASSHOLE BILL GATES AGAIN :D

They never said anything about Ultimate Alliance either >:(


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Comment #31 by ddpacker
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:17:46 PM
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Wait... of course they're going to give out Pub Games for free, cuz nobody but achievement whores would buy it if they have Fable 2...


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Comment #32 by Ruthless
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:20:27 PM
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I have pub games paid 800 ms for it an dits shit, im never playing it again, im not a completionist so im not to worried.


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Comment #33 by Ry Fryy
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:22:20 PM
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Dag yo.. I can't believe they would delete your thread like that. Raises lots of suspicion and concerns. Keep fighting the good fight!


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Comment #34 by eGEORGE
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:25:42 PM
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What about Madden 07 import a draft class achievement? That seemed to bother a lot of people.


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Comment #35 by Insane Sugar Rush
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:26:00 PM
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goodness gracious


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Comment #36 by l.maciver
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:29:07 PM
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pub games should be free in-order to fix the violation. or add the the experions to the game...


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Comment #37 by ddpacker
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:38:01 PM
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You guys piss me off, stop being poor achievement whores and get jobs >.>


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Comment #38 by joshnorm
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:44:27 PM
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Well I can see why this is a problem but weren't they going to make Pub Games free after the release of the game? So that might fix the issue.

Also, I just want to point out that this was the issue with TNA Impact! were you had to beat a unlockable character that was a pre-order bonus for Amazon.com

They fixed the issue but still it sucked


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Comment #39 by Masta Mylez
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:48:56 PM
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I didnt want to pay for, or even play the live pub games and due to that the whole game wont be unlocked. BULLSHIT


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Comment #40 by mr_kennedy34
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:50:21 PM
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so you have to complete Fable II Pub Games to get everything? that to me is not worth it as i am not good at Spiinerbox or Keystone, and here i was hoping to get all 1000 Acheivement points. MS drops the ball again.


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Comment #41 by lid
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:50:28 PM
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Give it a rest Webb, geez. They're probably thinking "Screw it we're already selling enough copies and not everyone cares about achivements anyway. I bet they could care less about you and basically told you to piss off. That's exactly what I would I do in their shoes even being the achievement whore that I am.


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Comment #42 by FlamedLiquid
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:51:31 PM
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There have been quite a few games that didnt have a full 1000 pts or have everything obtainable from the get go.

Crackdown didnt have a full 1000 when it was released nor did The Godfather. Condemned still doesnt have a full 1000. And I believe you still cannot obtain the full 1000 in Hellboy.

Also you have to play the iron Man game to get a full 1000 in The Incredible Hulk game.

I dont see why you have to whine about this. Just buy Pub games. Or you could have even gotten it free if you preordered Fable 2 from gamestop.



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Comment #43 by papoose
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:57:41 PM
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uhh i dont think Lionhead broke any rules here the policy says any consumer who buys a retail game will have the OPPURTUNITY to unlock the full 1,000 Gamerscore without HAVING to pay for any add-on content. For fable you dont HAVE to pay for any content to unlock this achievement you COULD just watch another person do it lol even webb said he did. This whole post is informative and all but saying lionhead broke rules just isnt true


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Comment #44 by Nightdragon
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:58:33 PM
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What alot of the people here fail to realise, is that ALOT of the members of this site (myself included) are form england.

I could not pre-order it from gamestop and therefor could not get the free copy of pub games.

If they make pub games free, it will solve the issue, but I think they just need to add some way of getting these expressions another way.


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Comment #45 by Maka
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 08:59:03 PM
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I love how we care now (that its fable) but nobody says anything when EA did it like 3 times in their football games...


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Comment #46 by Zmoke
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:00:52 PM
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I see it fun that two games are linked to each other. Anyone who is going to attempt collecting all the 1000 gamerscores of Fable 2 is probably a Fable fan enough to download the arcade game as well.


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Comment #47 by TheColdWolf
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:02:55 PM
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MS will do nothing because if it says any achievement content has to be free than they won't do any thing because crakdown's content costed 800 points or so and the same for GRAW2, The Godfather, Army of Two's SSC pack, Oblivion's shivering isle, Halo 3 legendary pack,Marvel, Marathon, Ninja Gidan and other games have all done this so no offince but why do you think MS will do anything about this. Of course they will let Fable 2 get away with it, they did it with a bunch of other games,


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Comment #48 by L3DDERS
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:05:44 PM
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YER! STICK IT TO THE MAN!

But seriously i dont plan on buying this game, but you make a very valid point


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Comment #49 by JC
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:06:03 PM
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That is annoying!


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Comment #50 by Zmoke
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:11:52 PM
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Although, I do agree that there should be some rules in these achievement and gamerscore things. Microsoft should pay more attention to us and make things clearer.


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Comment #51 by Dead by Don
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:12:22 PM
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Wow that's some bad attitude from the people over in the Lyinghead Studios forums Dan. I guess they flush integrity down the toilet along with quality.

For the people saying that making Pub Games free will solve the issue, no it will not. The issue is that the game SHIPPED without the ability of being able to achieve the 1000 points. What you do after it's been released is moot. EA removes servers and the max total achievements drop. That's not a violation because at release date it WAS achievable. I just wish they'd admit and man up to it. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they just said "Sorry guys, we really wanted to ship this without delay and there's still problems to be fixed. We also messed up on the achievement totals" LoL, I know, I know, I'll never see that h


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Comment #52 by knockton55
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:14:25 PM
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You cant just break rules, thats fucking annoying and unfair man.


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Comment #53 by Munkeh111
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:18:58 PM
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@ nightdragon, GAME had the pre-order bonus, but it would have cost me an extra £10 for the LE


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Comment #54 by S3R0
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:32:37 PM
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I agree with everyone that said that the "pub games" should be free to download. That's a good way to fix this.


LionHead is just trying to make a quick buck, and its not fair.


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Comment #55 by Garzan
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:36:31 PM
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Omg it's the end of the world as we know it.


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Comment #56 by Nerdz0r
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:36:48 PM
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@ everyone saying you get the Pub Games free with pre-odering.

Can I just say, not everyone in this fucking world pre-ordered this game, ok?


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Comment #57 by Webb [STAFF]
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:56:11 PM
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@ Everybody - Regarding the whole EA incident and the Crackdown incident - Crackdown was given additional free points when the DLC shipped to up it to 1000. Free content, thus making it fit in as part of the rules.

Also, the whole EA incident I believe was the catalyst for the achievement policy from Microsoft. They stated that the policy was NOT retroactive and would only apply to new games i.e. Fable.


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Comment #58 by SpudsPotatoMan
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:58:39 PM
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it says the BASE game must have 1000 GS...halo's last 750 were DLC, or update or something...i got rid of the disappoinment before it came out....but back to topic. DLC doesn't break the rules...


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Comment #59 by danneh150
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 09:59:05 PM
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Microsft *shakes head*
whats happened?!
your slipping with your code of conduct!
thats what you guys to best!


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Comment #60 by Blandy31
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:00:09 PM
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@ 4 ... u mong!

+ maybe.. get fable 2 pub games for free?

=D LoL


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Comment #61 by MyAbsolution
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:04:02 PM
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no Microsoft did not break any rule. well written article however, you are incorrect.

they have a non-withstanding clause which means they can change or alter the rules at any time for any reason.

look at what has happened with size limit on arcade titles, some pushed the limits and they bent the rules or changed them.

also, you can just join someones game who has completionist... let them remove one skill, then gain it back, and you yourself will be granted the achievement. I know because I helped someone get it that way.


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Comment #62 by Otisbum
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:07:40 PM
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@58: Webb just didn't mention the 1250 limit MS put in place which includes the 1000 from the retail game and a 250 limit on DLC.


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Comment #63 by d4rlp3nc1l
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:12:22 PM
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its no different then madden and stuff. and loading your ncaa pro draft stuff.



there are rules, but rules are to be broken.


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Comment #64 by Fruhmann360
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:13:38 PM
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god lion head sucks. they crapped out the Live play, turned the CE into a joke and now this.

what a bunch of morons. PM should jump off a cliff and the whole team should go lemming after him.


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Comment #65 by Zee
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:35:21 PM
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You guys also forgot the whole 0 point achievement for linking you're profile up in pub games with fable 2. That is also against policy.


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Comment #66 by FlamedLiquid
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:37:44 PM
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So if Pub Games becomes free you guys are still going to piss and moan? There have been many incomplete games. Like previously stated why start with Fable 2?

Its a great game, even without that 50 pt achievement. if your that desperate to get the achievement get it from someone else that has it.

I swear people complain about any possible thing they can these days.



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Comment #67 by Webb [STAFF]
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:40:10 PM
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@ 61 - They set these rules out and haven't stuck by them. If you're happy that some loop hole can be exploited like this, then you watch other publishers follow suit. The more people accept this as normal, the more gamers will be exploited for their achievement past-time. I'm a man of principle and this seems underhand and corporately deceptive if you ask me. Hopefully, I'd like to think it was an honest mistake, but deleting the thread from the Lionhead forums makes me think that this is less likely.


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Comment #68 by fubarman
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:42:53 PM
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I don't think this is a big enough reason to not buy the game. I actually don't think this is a big deal at all.


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Comment #69 by spiderlillyx187
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:44:17 PM
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very dodgy stuff


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Comment #70 by lip splitter
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:48:34 PM
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I am more pissed off that I bought pub games on xbl when it came out. Two weeks after that i preordered and got it for free! may I have my money/points back for my download?


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Comment #71 by Raider
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:48:55 PM
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Not outraged, but I don't buy arcade games. So will be miffed if I can't get completion in this game without a friends help.


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Comment #72 by Slim Pizza Boy
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:49:38 PM
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Webb, if you remember Madden 07 had an achievement to import a draft class, for ten points. No one said anything then, why would they now. I really agree with what your saying but I do not think nothing will come of it.


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Comment #73 by psgorio69
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:54:28 PM
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That's so f-ed up and such a marketing ploy to purchase a less than substandard product.


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Comment #74 by Raider
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 10:56:52 PM
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And part 2... yes... MS is taking the piss writing rules and letting development studios they own break every rule in the book.


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Comment #75 by SteveK21
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:14:38 PM
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FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE!!!!!!!!


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Comment #76 by Diablojer
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:23:01 PM
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think about it people, its all about the money for microsoft. and if it means to break there own rules for money so be it.


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Comment #77 by JJBDude
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:23:26 PM
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Whining over something that really shouldn't matter. Fair play though I guess, just I wouldn't bother myself.


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Comment #78 by baylon452
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:28:16 PM
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I think alot of people are missing the point saying how people shouldnt be moanin about this type of thing saying it is nothing. I think the main point to be looked at is that rules are there for a reason, no matter how small. Also lionheads deletion of said topic on their site is not a very good show of customer concern, and they should not delete topics as such without a valid reason or response.


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Comment #79 by White Lama
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:34:43 PM
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Hahaha! Lucky for me I was smart enough to get the Pub Games Arcade Game when it was released.


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Comment #80 by Atarii
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:39:24 PM
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lol so Lionhead got a fast ne by on MS.... w/e I got the Pub games and get the extra 2 expressions needed from the XBLA title so it doesn't bother me, at least not when it concerns my possibilty to go 1000 in Fable 2


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Comment #81 by Rodni Demental
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:39:30 PM
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Clever business, simple as that. Regardless of anything we may think about the achievements system and what it means to us. All I know is that if I were them, I'd be all for the idea of making the consumer buy the arcade games as well. A quick buck indeed, but who doesn't like money?

Exactly.


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Comment #82 by Jfrizz0424
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:41:05 PM
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Who cares seriously i ot the achievement are you guys going to lose sleep over this? buy the pub games or if you reserved it you got it for free


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Comment #83 by emirP sumitpO
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:42:27 PM
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people who keep bring up NCAA and Madden and the draft class ach... that doesn't hold water here. Fable 2 in order to get the full 1000 u have to have PAID and downloaded the Pub Games. The draft class ach you don't have to download or pay for DLC in order to get the ach you have to own ncaa title so that really isn't the same.

Marvel - u had to PAY for the DLC in order to get 8-9 ach for getting all of there outfits, that is on the same lines as Fable 2 and the ach problem.


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Comment #84 by Bloody Sky
Sunday, October 26, 2008 @ 11:47:08 PM
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They will probably patch the game soon to have it to where you can buy books to learn the expression/dog trick. At least, that would be my bet. If not, I guess they could make Pub Games free.


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Comment #85 by Oldbeagle
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:02:57 AM
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Um. Import draft class anyone?


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Comment #86 by CooLAciD
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:04:28 AM
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To everyone who has cited games that the dlc added achievements like oblivion shivering isles, marvel ultimate alliance and so forth your idiots. The achievement policy says that the FIRST 1000 POINTS must be free and included in the retail game, in those cases the dlc ADDED MORE POINTS. Therefore they did not effect the 10001000 points. Fable 2 is different in this respect, in that you need to get Pub Games to get an original 10001000 achievement.

I was lucky enough to find a nice person on this site to give me the achievement, Bc Game stop ran out of the token cards for pub games when I pre-ordered.


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Comment #87 by odysseus123
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:05:39 AM
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The Pub games was advertised for free, but it wasn't. You had to pay five more dollars for the pre-order.

I see where the OP is coming from, but just as long as another developer doesn't try to go down this road then there shouldn't be anymore problems.


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Comment #88 by Greg0fTheDead
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:09:58 AM
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pub games was free if you were smart enough to preorder


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Comment #89 by SkylessDuck
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:19:14 AM
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Fingers crossed for a reasonable solution.


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Comment #90 by MyAbsolution
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:22:34 AM
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You do not NEED PUB GAMES TO GET THIS ACHIEVEMENT

You can just join someones game who has the completionist achievement ALREADY, then they remove one skill, then re-apply it. Achievement unlocked for person without Fable Pub Games


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Comment #91 by Saracin
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:25:06 AM
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Did they ever fix the TNA achievement that required you to have preordered the game from Amazon to get it? And for anyone pointing out the Pub Games was free, for people in Europe it wasn't. They had to buy it if they wanted the stuff.

My money says they patch the game so that you don't need those things to earn it. Or maybe they mean to add the tournaments to the game later or something?


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Comment #92 by sporter08
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:28:22 AM
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When i finally get the game I will be able to get lots of achievements you guys don't have.


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Comment #93 by dontcountstars
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:33:12 AM
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most people got the pub games free by pre-ordering the game. Therefore you could either have pre-ordered the game yourself, or go into someone's game online who did, and it cost no money. This is true for most people.

Really though, isn't it only the same principle as having online achievements that you need a gold (paid) membership for? ;)


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Comment #94 by J Prime
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:37:20 AM
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im pretty sure it would just be easier to release an update to fable 2 to get whatever you missed in pub games, no?


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Comment #95 by mietha CAG
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:39:25 AM
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I'm sure this has been pointed out before, but, ok a: as you said yourself, you DO NOT NEED pub games to get it, you can just boost for it with someone who does have it b: pub games was free if you pre-ordered c: MOST games have achievements that you can't get by yourself, sadly and d: it is FAR from the only game that requires DLC or another game for the base 1000: Beautiful Katamari, Madden 07, and Godfather immediately spring to mind, but I know there's more. To number #84: yeah, because Ea gave you a copy of Ncaa 07 for free, right? Exactly.


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Comment #96 by canuspellowned
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:49:19 AM
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i found the hat headband moustache book in the bowerstone bookstore
as far as the dogs backflip that i have not found


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Comment #97 by Johnnyboy414
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:49:30 AM
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I know!!! Who cares?


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Comment #98 by Paulpaps
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:55:38 AM
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As #95 said, Beautiful Katamari requires you to download new stages to get your full 1000, and no-one seemed to get their knickers in a twist about that. Yes it's annoying but if you want the gamerscore, buy the content. Gamerscores don't really mean anything, they're just for yourself to feel good about, and if you don't get certain achievements, it's really not that big a deal. Well not for me anyhow, I'd rather that the game was playable more than anything else, and from what my friends say, Fable 2 is fantastic.


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Comment #99 by benmou13
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:55:57 AM
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forum moderators arent actually lionhead themselves in all fairness and this is breaching policy but they moderators should be kool about it.


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Comment #100 by x KrazieNoob x
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:59:16 AM
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I think it's retarted that microsoft keeps allowing games to break the achievement rules or whatever. I mean just like webb said, first halo now has 1750 gamerscore from 1 game alone, the rock band stuff, and even the xbla games going over there space limit. Rules are nothing it seems!


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Comment #101 by rianbattle
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:05:15 AM
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how about mass effect? there is an achievement for that game as well that can only be gotten by purchasing the DLC add on and playing through it


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Comment #102 by Rimithel
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:20:18 AM
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I'm not usually one to comment but I received Fable 2 Pub Games for free when I reserved Fable 2. Maybe it was an anomalous situation?


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Comment #103 by callofdutyachievements
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:23:10 AM
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Lol


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Comment #104 by DocRevolt
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:33:59 AM
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@4: PHAIL!


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Comment #105 by rocksliketoast
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:41:35 AM
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pub games was free if you preordered so i guess thats the loophole.... i actually preordered got all the items and achieves and then canceled my preorder


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Comment #106 by Alan1187
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:46:24 AM
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Kinda sucks. Although, one of the expressions was only obtainable by playing the flash game on Fable2.com, and was not needed for the achievement to unlock. I just assumed that any book not able to be purchased in your "universe" was ignored and thought of as to not exist.


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Comment #107 by Mikeinator
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:56:30 AM
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Um, seems open and shut to me. Pub games was made free with your pre-order and if your such a big Fable fan surely you would have known GameStop was giving it away for free so why are you complaining???


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Comment #108 by A HOM3L3SS MAN
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:07:42 AM
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I knew Fable 2 was going to get in trouble, but not like this!


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Comment #109 by LERP85
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:07:50 AM
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The achievement is still obtainable people. Just join another persons game that has every thing and bam it will unlock. That is the way most of the achievements in this game are, so no rules are being broke.

Though Halo 3 has broken the rules, and yet no one complains about that. HUH.


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Comment #110 by undyingone
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:21:52 AM
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maybe lionhead thought they would get away with it by offering pub games free when you reserved fable 2??? who knows


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Comment #111 by JesusBread
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:28:04 AM
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To anyone who said "you get the pub games for free from gamestop" open your god damn eyes. Gamestop isn't the only store that sells video games. I picked up my copy of Fable 2 from Blockbuster. Gamestop isn't the magical being of video games. You CAN buy video games at other stores.


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Comment #112 by Sniper07LHS
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:41:01 AM
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im lucky also that i joined a friends game just before he got the achievement for both of us...I GOT ALL 1000, YAY


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Comment #113 by Evil Demon55
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:50:00 AM
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What about Madden NFL 07 and the Draft Pick achievement? That achievement made the person have to buy/rent NCAA Football 07.


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Comment #114 by Evil Demon55
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:55:36 AM
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To add on, what about that one game that gave only 970 GS? I think it came out with the launch, but yea... what about that game? Not sure of the name... I will try and find it.


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Comment #115 by Webb [STAFF]
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:56:38 AM
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@ 113 - I tried to say it above, but it got ignored :P That game as far as I'm aware triggered the rules from Microsoft but they weren't retroactive, they only applied to future games.


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Comment #116 by Evil Demon55
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:57:11 AM
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Found the game, it is called Condemned, and it has 50 achievements with a total of 970 GS, what's the deal with that?


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Comment #117 by UnleashedBeast
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:01:22 AM
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To everyone saying it's fair cause you got pub games if you preordered it, well that's a stupid reason. I'm a big fan of fable, but I didn't want any lame ass pub games. You have to remember that not everyone preorders games, and not everyone buys from gamestop (or EB for us canadians). I knew that you could get special items, but not ones that if you didn't get would hinder you in a way. I really think lion head has to get there act together and patch the hell out of this game.


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Comment #118 by Jfrizz0424
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:05:45 AM
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also LOTR battle for middle earth you guys care to much about teh stuff just enjoy the games


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Comment #119 by Wulfaur
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:06:17 AM
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I am going to help my friend out by getting him the 2 expression books needed from pub games, I could help a couple others out also. Key word is couple, send me a pm


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Comment #120 by LERP85
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:16:14 AM
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I will say this again, they did not break any rules. You can get the achievement by joining another persons game that has everything already.


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Comment #121 by iamtehwin
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:18:04 AM
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http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=100011

looks like this doesnt matter because it is unlockable without pub games.


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Comment #122 by Thomper01
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:33:03 AM
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I have a question. From what I heard, when you pre-ordered Fable II you got a code to unlock these Pub Games for free. If that's the case, wouldn't the intention behind that achievement be legitimate since the Arcade game would have been free, though only for those who pre-ordered. With that being said, wouldn't there still be a way to get the achievement, just indirectly?

Only Curious :O


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Comment #123 by rsxdelerium
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:47:39 AM
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I was wondering why I didn't see any threads or comments over there about this .. they fracking delete them all. I will never buy anything by lionhead again because of their bullshit.
121, read the whole article moron
and 122 .. stfu, you must be one of those retards who believes everything they read


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Comment #124 by farfrompuken
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:00:20 AM
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well this didnt affect me cause i got all the shit in the pub games


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Comment #125 by LERP85
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:05:22 AM
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124
I read the whole article, and that does not change the fact that you can get the achievement just by joining some one elses game that has all of the stuff required. So you can get the achievement without ever having played the pub games on arcade.


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Comment #126 by Daxdiv
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:14:35 AM
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@ post 102

With Mass Effect's "Bring Down the Sky" mission, that just added 50 points to the already available 1000/1000 that you can get before DL BDtS, I didn't mind paying for that, as that actually helped me get ME Completionist. Paying for something they added on later down the line doesn't bug me, it not like dl Darth Vader for SCIV since people complained that he existed on the disc before, but NB is famous for that. But the fact that you had Downloaded Pub Games to get it on your own, does strike a nerve, Yes I understand that you can join a friends game, but there are people that are afraid to join in other people games, or people that want to do this on their own.


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Comment #127 by Pure LionHeart
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:17:13 AM
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LERP85

This requires at the very least one person to have Pub Games, in order to see someone else with it. Someone has to have it to get the expressions/dog tricks in the first place. Hence, it's still a broken violation.


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Comment #128 by Justicezero
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:32:31 AM
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Wheres the DIGG button? this is crazy and the first i've heard about it. Thanks for unearthing this before i go crazy trying to play spinner box for 100 hours without a chance of getting those achievements.


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Comment #129 by madonex4
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:39:04 AM
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ask a friend to give u the dam card for the dog trick and the gesture.


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Comment #130 by iamtehwin
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:43:33 AM
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124, no one really needs to hear you bash them because of your nonsense anger. You are a stupid faggot and shouldnt be allowed to post.

Anyways, believe everything i read? moron, this whole article is something that YOU read and have you tested it yourself? More than likely no, stupid ass why do you make a comment with nothing but stupidity backed behind it. Congrats you are another moron who has posted on here before thinking about what they are saying.


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Comment #131 by Quazine
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:44:49 AM
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Seems to be a bit of double dealing under the table by Microsoft


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Comment #132 by YanksForTheWin
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:50:45 AM
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I'd be more pissed if I actually bought this lame RPG, thank you gamefly!


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Comment #133 by drdreminem
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:58:53 AM
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Lionhead should make Pub Games free then everyone wins.


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Comment #134 by mjc0961
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:02:10 AM
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What's that? Lionhead Studios is screwing over gamers? No way, that's so unlike them. >_>


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Comment #135 by The Brian Man
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:16:20 AM
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Gamesave it :D


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Comment #136 by HudyDaGreat
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:16:55 AM
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i got pub games free for preordering the game at Game Crazy so i guess i cant really bitch but they should definalty either give the achievment to everyone or make pub games free. im sure everyone didnt have the chance to get a free version like i did so let just spread this all evenly Microsoft.

Hudy


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Comment #137 by xxNIGHTWINGxxx
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:33:44 AM
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That is just so wrong. They better offer Pub Games free to everyone.


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Comment #138 by Jjayb263
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:35:00 AM
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FIRST


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Comment #139 by Beau Coup Dinky Dau
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:35:30 AM
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MS needs to rein this in. The achievement system is one of the best things about this otherwise ailing system (tech probs up the wazoo) and if it is going to become meaningless with crap like Halo 3 and now this, then it's going to give Sony a way to win back gamers in the next round of console wars.

I think as a fix, 'Pub Games' should be offered for free and MS should vow to get the achievement system under stricter control--because God knows that if Sony gets a better line-up of games and a more robust online service the next time around, a broken achievement system isn't going to do much to entice anyone over to the MS camp.


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Comment #140 by The Brian Man
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:36:28 AM
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Gamesave it ha


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Comment #141 by Prinny Overlord
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:03:39 AM
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"The Pub Games should be free"? They were. Pre Ordering for the win. And I swear I saw a backflip book on a book merchant wandering through bower lake. I didn't buy it because I was going to get it free when I merged it with my pub games patron. Plus, the simple fix to this is to add said books to a vendor, problem solved. I'll see if I can find him again and get a picture if he actually did have it.


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Comment #142 by Cheezbrgr
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:04:42 AM
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BAN FABLE 2!!!


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Comment #143 by HardRockSamurai
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:16:46 AM
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Well, there's only one way to reasonably solve this......make the Fable 2 Pub games free. WOO HOO!

Alright, that probably won't happen, let's just hope it gets fixed soon.


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Comment #144 by wgpfly
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:24:16 AM
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Taken from their site.
Share the story of your hero, your adventures and the choices you made. Only positive posts here!


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Comment #145 by applefleas
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:34:55 AM
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I dont think Rock Band or Halo 3 (cant speak for Orange Box as I dont have it) broke or bent the rules at all. The rules are that when you buy the original disc, no DLC, you are able and allowed to attain a max/min or 1000 gamerscore points. DLC has the option of expanding that limit further. It doesnt really bend the rules. The game originally adheres to them and follows more rules set in place for DLC to expand the 1000 point limit further.

This Fable thing, however, is most definitely a violation. What is included on the disc does not allow a player without DLC to achieve all 1000 possible gamerscore points. I thought the tone and subject matter of your thread very professional, coherent, and concise. Keep us posted!


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Comment #146 by MackDuck
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:56:35 AM
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If they make Pub Games free, which they won't, I want an 800 point refund.

S'all I have to say.


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Comment #147 by hellboyx88
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 07:10:44 AM
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You're all newbs. If u really want teh achievement then go buy pub games >_> big deal, $10.


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Comment #148 by Rednacht
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 07:32:53 AM
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I'm just waiting for that classic BS microsoft reply.


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Comment #149 by WezCorp
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 07:37:03 AM
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Well I dunno if its just me but technically they arent in breach, cause you can still get the achievement if you see another hero do it. So you dont have to download anything to watch another hero get the final expression.
I mean I spose someone in the world would have to have it, but still, could be considered a loophole.


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Comment #150 by KIDDRAGON67
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 07:47:01 AM
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it's stupid how your thread got blocked but, when i was in EB games last i heard that if you pre order the LE copy from their you get a free fable 2 pub games code so if this was also for all the other game shops it's why but still it's stupid for all those who didn't get it.



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Comment #151 by gingerCHRIS123
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 08:42:04 AM
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So when i get this this week, im gonna have to buy pub games as well? WTF, that's not fair!


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Comment #152 by FlamedLiquid
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 08:43:56 AM
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It seems some people take out the bits of posts they want to read.

Some games add on points to a game with dlc that already have 1000 like Ninja gaiden 2, OBLIVION, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, etc.

But than there are others that dont have the full 1000 available and make you download content (that is not free) for the remaining points like The Godfather, Crackdown, and Beautiful Katamari.

But like I said people will only pick out what they want to read out of this post.

Buying Pub Games is no different than buying the dlc for those games I mentioned to get your full 1000 pts.



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Comment #153 by Untitled1
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 08:58:25 AM
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there was only 970 in condemned, did they ever explain that?


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Comment #154 by mjc0961
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:24:17 PM
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"But than there are others that dont have the full 1000 available and make you download content (that is not free) for the remaining points like The Godfather, Crackdown, and Beautiful Katamari."

Hold on there, spanky. I own Crackdown and you can get all 1000 points without paying for anything. Like it says in the article, they can release part of the original 1000 points via FREE add-on content later, which is what happened for Crackdown. There is a free DLC pack which enables you to get all of the original 1000 points. They also have another DLC pack that you pay for which enables you to get an extra 250 points in the game.


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Comment #155 by Paulpaps
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:28:53 PM
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I think also what people are saying is games like Beautiful Katamari, you need to BUY the DLC to get the full 1000. It certainly isn't free. You have to spend 1200 points I think to get the stages to get a few of the achievements, but no-one seemed to go crying all over that.


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Comment #156 by Pieface
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:35:40 PM
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http://community.lionhead.com/forums/3172734/ShowThread.aspx#3172734

Ive made a thread now.


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Comment #157 by LqDFx
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:35:51 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong here, but I thought the Pub games was free for anyone that bought the game. I have the pub games and I got it for free when I pre-ordered the game. I was under the impression that the game itself would have a code to get Pub Games for free also or maybe have it on the disc some way or another to make it free to all. The only way one would have to pay for it is if they are not getting the game and still want to play it, right? I have not gotten the game yet since I have the RROD and am awaiting my xbox to come home. I am sure that there may have been something that was missed here. Lionhead should be telling us what is up though and not just deleting a thread with no cause.


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Comment #158 by Sk8er_0208
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:49:27 PM
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hey web what is an xbox life pug game.... XD


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Comment #159 by Crimson Ridley
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 12:58:52 PM
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They really should not do this. Remember PGR4 with the Achievement that let you get an Achievement for doing something on PGR3? Microsoft stopped that one, why not Fable?

Personally, I can get the Achievement because I have got Pub Games, but it's a disgrace to people without it. £40+ for the game plus 800MSP for another game to get 1000gs? That's robbery, and Microsft/Lionhead should not be allowed to get away with it.


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Comment #160 by swaggers
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:05:13 PM
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Since you can get it in co-op then they are in the boundaries of the requirements. YOU don't need to have Pub Games. Someone else does is true. Its shady. And it was released free with pre-order. If you want to whine about no LIVE then you are out on a LOT of achievements.

EA is a whole different beast. They shut servers down and then NO ONE can get anything. They are FAR FAR worse.


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Comment #161 by E vee dub
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:07:17 PM
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Condemned only 970 points.

Hulk full 1000 only if you have an Ironman saved game.
(I already played Ironman, so I got the full 1000 on both.)

These 2 games violate that rule.

And Bioshock should be mentioned. I rented and spent a whole week playing that game for a full 1000, but a few months later they added one more.

All three games are unfair to achievement addicts.


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Comment #162 by JLogan27
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:08:31 PM
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@ 175 AOS Puck.

Three achievements require the DLC. All three achievements were achievements before the DLC was available (or even announced), they were simply unobtainable.

In fact, IIRC, the game never had 1000 points. It was always 1250. And they staggered the DLC too...some available at one time, the rest at another. My guess is that was the reason for the cheap price at launch ($39).


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Comment #163 by RupertWalker
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:10:42 PM
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Pretty shocking all in all.


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Comment #164 by Ben Glander
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:28:51 PM
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isent it posible to get the achivement? i think it is but its only a theory... i think you can get it by seeing a friend do it therefore one self do not need the DLC... but i havent seen it or herd of it happening so what do you think?


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Comment #165 by BR4DL3I9H
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:37:06 PM
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I think it is to totally unreasonable to expect people to rely on either buying the pub games or knowing someone who has the pub games. I mean the xbla game pub games isn't a good game to begin with!


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Comment #166 by VeteranPants
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:39:33 PM
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lol, mad achievements whores :P

i think its a great way to make money.
think if you where a game developer


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Comment #167 by jlavaia
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:48:19 PM
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here's the thing with Pub Games, it was free content if you pre-ordered Fable 2.


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Comment #168 by xHHx CURT xHHx
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:50:44 PM
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the more gamerpoints available on a game the better.
Talking about Halo 3's 1750.
Still i h8 halo 3


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Comment #169 by Stuffgamer1
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:51:50 PM
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I sure had to read far down (around post 100) to even see Beautiful Katamari mentioned. By my calculations, you could only get 740GS (maybe more like 800-something, there's one or two I'm not sure if you could unlock without DLC) without DLC, and that damn DLC was ALL already on the disc! Why are people complaining so loudly about this when Katamari was an infinitely more evil breach of protocol (plus, Fable 2 may TECHNICALLY not have broken the rules, whether we like it or not)?

I understand that not everybody has Pub Games, and the apparently crappy online co-op could make seeing another hero do something difficult. But Microsoft's policy was carefully written to create dumb loopholes, and they aren't obligated to give you your gamer score at all.

I would only really complain ab


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Comment #170 by JesusBread
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:52:50 PM
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@ E vee dub
- Bioware did nothing wrong with Bioshock. They can add achievements anytime they want. I haven't even heard of someone complaining about a developer giving free achievements yet. You're the first.

@Xarteck
- Yes, you can get the achievement by watching someone else get it. The problem there is that the person who got it initially had to have bought the Pub Games. Theoretically, if the Pub Games was released the day Fable 2 was and no one had the game then no one would have been able to get the achievement until they bought the Pub Games. This achievement, is a cheap way for Lion Head Studios(Nothing against them, love their games) to make an extra few bucks. Imagine if 1,000 people out there wanted the achievement and you couldn't get it by watching someone. That would be


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Comment #171 by canadabug
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:53:04 PM
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May be unrelated but they are now giving away 5 copies a day of pub games on this page in the fable 2 dev blog

http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/archive/2008/10/27/3173398.aspx


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Comment #172 by voluntaryhawk
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:54:46 PM
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the 2 arcade expressions are not needed for the achievement. you need every expression except for those two...


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Comment #173 by Fryza
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 01:59:14 PM
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Meh.


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Comment #174 by JesusBread
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:01:45 PM
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That would be an extra $10,000 in revenue for Lion Head Studios.

Who doesn't love getting their responses cut off? ;)

I think this might be the most discussed article X360A has ever had, or am I dead wrong?


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Comment #175 by ds614
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:03:15 PM
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Considering that my account on xbox.com is screwed up and I can not link my gt to it then I wont be able to get the items i need to get the achievement. It is a bunch of crap that they require you to buy Pub Games to get an achievement in Fable 2. Also this is not the first time Lionhead has screwed gamers.


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Comment #176 by DemonI81
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:13:47 PM
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Another thought:
"All regular disc-based games MUST have 1,000 Gamerscore in the base game...without having to pay for any add-on content."
While a game may have 1000 gamerscore in the base game, what about online achievements? This requires paying for an additional service, which could be considered add-on content in a way.


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Comment #177 by Stuffgamer1
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:25:43 PM
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@JesusBread: I see people complain about Achievements being added to games they'd completed and gotten rid of all the time! Imo, they shouldn't have traded the games in or should have bought them if they wanted all the Achievements, but that's based on my view of Achievements (I won't go out of my way to earn them for games I don't even like). A lot of people here have a different viewpoint, though...


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Comment #178 by JLogan27
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:26:55 PM
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Beautiful Katamari
Madden 07
Hulk

Off the top of my head, all of those required DLC or saves from other games. They would be violators too, wouldn't they?


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Comment #179 by radar616
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:35:49 PM
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Halo had 1000 points when it was released, then bungie added the DLC. Fable2 shipped without the full 1000 thus breaking the rules.


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Comment #180 by EATatJOES 07
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:39:36 PM
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Fable 2 pub games was free with a preorder so it was technically free that is how i got it. So get over it!


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Comment #181 by Aphlix
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:41:20 PM
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This is just retarded. Lionhead = ghey! If I gotta pay for stupid wank gay crappy stupid pub games w/e crap...Just so I can get 1k on a game I dont even wanna get anyway that much...then, W/e, I CBA. I just had too much milk so i'm in a bad mood, either way, Lionhead are Jews!!!


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Comment #182 by jigsaw250
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:42:33 PM
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Yeah I remember this exact same thing for Madden 07...now granted I bought NCAA Football 07 as well, but I knew quite a few people that didnt.


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Comment #183 by Aphlix
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:46:40 PM
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@183

I complain every day at Fable 2's shitty achievement list. What a pile fo crap it is, Its fucking lame!!!


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Comment #184 by kewlrabbit
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:49:51 PM
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I'm getting so sick of this when it happens. It already happened with Madden 07 and the Hulk, there shouldn't be any game that does this. If I drop $60 on a game I should be able to get the 1000 with out buying anything else. It's complete bullshit. Seriously. M$'s gotta start busting some balls.


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Comment #185 by shatulance
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:54:00 PM
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just watch someone do it if you dont wanna buy the arcade game.i dont see no one complaining that you can get most of the achieves without actually doing the requirement because you can just join someones game and see them finish it off.


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Comment #186 by AOS Puck
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:55:39 PM
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What are people talking about with Beautiful Katamari? I got the full 1000 in that game and never downloaded any DLC. I know downloading DLC made it easier to get some of the original achievements, but it wasn't required.


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Comment #187 by LqDFx
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:55:59 PM
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@JesusBread
- Bioware did Mass Effect, 2kGames did Bioshock


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Comment #188 by fletcher2989
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:59:03 PM
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What exactly was the rock band thing that they are talking about?


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Comment #189 by Serevarno
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 02:59:40 PM
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Pub Games was free with preorder. If you knew you wanted the game as badly as it seems you do, why wouldn't you preorder it and get the generous preorder bonus? Not like it would have cost you anything extra.


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Comment #190 by balgord20
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:03:00 PM
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Do you think it helped Lionhead's cause that the Fable Games were given away free at Gamestop when you preordered Fable 2? That's possibly why the whole scenario has played out as it has.


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Comment #191 by Pedro7_2000
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:03:55 PM
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I definately wondered WHY did they offer Pub Games for $10 on XBLA if it was free with pre-order. My guess is that was their way around this "rule". Regardless, they shouldn't have deleted your thread. It was very well written and valid. Thought Lionhead was better than that.


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Comment #192 by Thomper01
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:06:39 PM
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Ok, this little "conspiracy" isn't legible. I have read through quite a few comments and I have gotten proof that what I said was right. That being: When you pre-order Fable II you get a code for Pub Games for free. Thus, IF you pre-ordered it, you can get the entire 1000, but, if you decided not to pre-order, then I guess tough shit. Lionhead gave you all the opportunity to get the Pub Games for free, and this is the price you pay. :D

And if I was founder of Lionhead and some people put up "conspiracies" and "accusations" of this, I would probably oliterate what they said because I don't need someone pointing fingers when it wasn't the intention. Think about it, I doubt Lionhead would deliberately do this to fuck everyone over.

You could just buy the Pub Games if you were unfortunat


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Comment #193 by Random189
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:33:49 PM
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I got this achievement recently and I believe I got it after I maxed out my character's abilities. I do not have all the expressions for my hero but I think I got them all for my dog. So try maxing your character's abilities and see if you get it. Thanks and good luck!


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Comment #194 by JBong6
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:53:11 PM
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It's def not the 1st or the most expensive time games have done this and Microsoft allowed it. In order to 1000 out Hulk you are required to have a Iron Man save, which means you either had to buy Iron Man or rent it, either way you end up spending more money to get the full 1000 in Hulk. So IDK it sucks but at the same time it make you have to be more diverse with the games you play; a double edged sword really.


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Comment #195 by visualizador3d
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:58:21 PM
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good points to #178 and #179 but not every1 pre-ordered fable 2 i rented the game and its very stupid i wouldnt be able to get the 1000/1000GS on it unless i buyed the pub games which im not lionhead make good games but i never thought they would do this.


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Comment #196 by DemonI81
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 03:59:14 PM
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Fable 2 and Halo 3 are M$ games. If M$ isn't afraid to break the rules in business negotiations and in law, why not break the rules in their games?


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Comment #197 by Weapon 117
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:00:43 PM
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Damn them! They're all schemers. Lionhead are schemers. Microsoft are schemers. They're all trying to control their little parts of the gaming world. ... I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are. See, their morals, their achievement code: it’s a bad joke. They’re dropped at the first sign of trouble. They’re only as good as the gaming world allows them to be. Introduce a little arnachy. Upset the established achievment order and everything becomes chaos. And you know what the best thing about chaos is? It's fair.


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Comment #198 by Zeth07
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:17:40 PM
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Many people have already gave examples of games that did this before, so i think this entire thing is pointless. Big waste of time and effort for something so stupid. The internet at its finest.


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Comment #199 by Jameseh
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:20:49 PM
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Many people are naming other games that also break the rules, but are they published by the company who makes Xbox? No, they're all 3rd party publishers. MS can change their own rules if they want to, its their ruddy' money that's even made the game available to you. If you have that much of a problem with it, don't buy it, and if you have, I have no sympathy for your lack of 10 GamerScore, christ, what is it, a World Crisis?


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Comment #200 by bluntedGRINCH
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:24:53 PM
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I bet Microsoft had something to do with it!!


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Comment #201 by xX|Triple K|Xx B100dh0uNd
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:42:51 PM
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@183

No


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Comment #202 by TRIP OG13
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:46:01 PM
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Thats crazy!!! good research. I definitly think they should'ent have deleted the thred, exspecially when you adressed the problems in a respectful manner. Looks like someone is scared.


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Comment #203 by d3vilsnight
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:50:45 PM
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Just a guess, but they probably didn't mind doing it this way because they knew all along they'd make the Pub Games free eventually. That's my guess. Regardless, they might as well just make the Pub Games free anyway, no one in their right mind would buy them now.


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Comment #204 by Yemeth
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 04:52:26 PM
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Webb, you're complaining to the judge jury and executioner. Despite your admirable efforts, nothing can be nor will be done about these loopholes, so we as a consumer must adapt.


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Comment #205 by Chuppernicus
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:12:56 PM
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These comments are funny. Some angry kids live here. I look at it as a reward for either getting Pub Games free with the preorder of Fable2 or to those few that actually bought the game. We had the opportunity to get the Pub Games for free and nothing else had to be purchased.
The game is a blast. It's odd that your post was deleted but they can do what they want.

I guess there are far bigger problems in my life than conspiracies in video games. Cheers!


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Comment #206 by StephenJ360
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:19:07 PM
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Seems like quite the whiny comment to me. If you like Fable so much, why not grab the pub games? Like 90% of the people that were excited about Fable have. I got them for free from pre-ordering, even.


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Comment #207 by ShirleyPeanut
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:25:50 PM
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That's bad, especially on such a big title I don't think you could get pub games free anywhere but U.S but thats not the point they will possibly patch it to make the achievement require less or add the expressions elsewhere.


Also very bad your comment got deleted could try to take it further but might be pointless.




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Comment #208 by Webb [STAFF]
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:30:27 PM
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I don't play Fable for the pub games. I play for the responsive, interactive and enriching world thank you very much. I have the full 1000 anyway, so this isn't a whiny, bitter rant. It's a think piece how Microsoft are slowly ruining a system by allowing inconsistencies and loopholes in to their ranks.


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Comment #209 by Ninjamonkey6493
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 05:43:00 PM
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I have been playing fable nonstop and i have the backflip and hat headband moustache, but i cant find the other expressions that fill in scary and rude nor do i have the rest of the dog ones.


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Comment #210 by t1m2oo8---
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:00:21 PM
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thats wierd coz sum1 on my friends list has just got the whole 1000G without pubgames


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Comment #211 by Mecandes
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:21:57 PM
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The precedent has now been set: every game studio is now going to put "buy our other game" achievements into their games. They would be foolish not to, if it sells games. The only folks who can stop this is Microsoft.


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Comment #212 by Judas Below
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:30:07 PM
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I'm not certain that it does require the two Pub Games expressions. I managed to get Completionist w/o the final two Rep Reward expressions. Maybe it does a count against the total available minus two? I also have friends w/o Pub Games yet managed Completionist.


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Comment #213 by kizwiz
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:36:57 PM
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It is just an achievement, dont get me wrong I love getting 1000 GS but seriously it is not the end of the world...Can't they do an update or something. Also @4 Haha loser thinking your first haha


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Comment #214 by Megafones x360a
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:47:08 PM
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It's no good for all those who didn't pre-order the game, and too many games are 'slipping' past this so called policy now, it's a joke. I could be coming from a bias background because I have the expressions and dog tricks needed for the achievement, but I know how it is when you just can't get the most simplist of things done. Lionhead need to sort themselves out, Fable 2 was a shoddy pile of promises, until Molyneux can clean up his act and start providing customers with what they were expecting, Fable will sadly end up as a dust collector on my shelf.


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Comment #215 by Zacxx201
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 06:54:03 PM
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We need a lawyer... Preferably a jew...


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Comment #216 by LAClennell
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 07:12:41 PM
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Look at Stranglehold. You have to pay 1200 Microsoft Points for the other (10?) achievements.


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Comment #217 by JCFG
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 07:24:59 PM
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Nice work, Lionhead.


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Comment #218 by VeteranPants
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 07:32:40 PM
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DONT WORRY YET
the pub games expressions comes in books. so if some1 got the books and just sell them, then other people can get it.
THINK before you start crying.
there is hope


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Comment #219 by jts3792
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 08:05:16 PM
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bullshit dude i payed 10 dollars for those fucking games i better get my money back.


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Comment #220 by joe.grayii
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 08:29:59 PM
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I would like to first say that I find it funny that Microsoft is crucifying gamers that use legitimate glitches that are widely known and not patched for "boosting" their gamer scores, yet they allow for the companies making the games to break the rules. I mean, I've seen numerous people not achieve the Seriously achievement on GoW after getting 13,000 kills so they glitch and get their account banned. If Microsoft is going to go after the gamers for breaking the rules, then the developers should have equal repercussions for not allowing gamers to get the full 1,000 points their $60 entitles them to. *Steps down off soapbox.

That's just me though.


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Comment #221 by Bloodwolf
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 09:39:06 PM
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They better fix this, I aint buying no pub games!!!


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Comment #222 by sparky6565
Monday, October 27, 2008 @ 09:42:55 PM
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Didn't they do the exact same thing with Beautiful Katamari?


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Comment #223 by Kliko 420
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 01:00:26 AM
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oke fable 2 do not match but Halo 3 is it's Retail was 1000G in September 2007 a year later in September 2008 the new 750 was there so in first place in the Microsoft Policity


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Comment #224 by ex6
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 01:15:56 AM
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I suppose they could solve this like this:

If user owns Fable II,
they user gets (for example IN THE GAME) the code for free download of Fable Pub Games.

If user does NOT own Fable II, then Fable Pub Games is obtainable by paying with MS Live Points as any other XBLA game.


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Comment #225 by DerekTheExtreme
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 01:53:11 AM
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what is there to solve? this is some of the most retarded crap i have ever seen. pub games was free with pre-orders from gamestop as well as a few others on the web. the fact that you CAN get the achievement by seeing someone else do it makes it obtainable for FREE.

what's the difference between this and other viral achievements? which is basically what it is. also, if someone doesn't wanna play co-op that's their problem. there's tons of games that require co-op/versus play to obtain achievements.

quit your crying.


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Comment #226 by Val Dekhai
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 01:58:26 AM
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Ah yes this thread is another shining reason I rearly post anything on this site...It has been mentioned at least a dozen times you DONT NEED PUB GAMES!!! You can get it from a friend...This is a points whore website, meaning ask a friend to help you out. And yes I have seen the posts stating that being able to get it from a friend is not the point, and that "SOMEONE HAD TO BUY PUB GAMES IN THE FIRST PLACE". This is Bullshit, as there are 10s of thousands of people in North America including myself who got it for free with a pre-order.
You have far better odds of getting these achievements then you do an single virul achievement for a game like GRAW, Tony Hawk 8, or Merc 2, unless you use your friends. Ya like any of you beat a developer on Project 8. Just sack up ask a friend to help or


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Comment #227 by Diaxen
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 02:09:00 AM
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Or have about they patch it so you can get the right attributes for your character without requiring F2PG?


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Comment #228 by H20
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 02:20:16 AM
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I just dont get it. its so simple make games 200 1000 1250 with content and you should always be able to get the achievements. im so tired of these glitched achievements. achievements that are linked with other games. games that have 970 1750 fucking carbon glitched with 990 and no1 has 1000 so why dont they fix this shit. they are so fucking lazy. its not hard to make the game work the way it should put the proper amount of achievements and be done! make sure they all fucking work too. im sick of this bullshit. if we dont do anything just wait till 4 years down the road. 2349 on this game 2035 on that game 234 on this game 765 on that game. its going to be so dumb. they need to fix what they messed up and stop doing it! Although i do have 1k on fable. but its b/c i just happend to get pub


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Comment #229 by Val Dekhai
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 03:12:26 AM
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contiued from number# 225

post on the achievement trading thread. Stop F-ing Crying...

BTW DerekTheExtreme it looks like we were writing at the same time to say they same thing...LOL


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Comment #230 by shadaik
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 04:25:23 AM
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Thing is: getting the items technically is free. Pub Games is not DLc for Fable II, but a different game. Connecting to that different game causes no cost.
Yes, it is dodgy, but probably the reasoning why it was not pulled off the game.


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Comment #231 by shadaik
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 04:30:54 AM
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(sorry, double post)
Although, it may be noteworthy that Fable II pub games features a 0-score achievement for connecting with Fable II.


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Comment #232 by DarkEchoesX
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 06:41:11 AM
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You know, it wouldn't be so bad if Fable II Pub Games was actually different to the main game. I fail to see any reason why I should have to pay 800 MS points to play some minigames already in the full version of Fable II, just purely to get the last 50 GS.


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Comment #233 by FallenHero 117
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 08:01:52 AM
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Now it seems to me people are ignoring what the achievement actually says, which is something along the lines of: "Obtain all expressions, abilities and pet abilities. OR SEE ANOTHER HERO DO SO."

Now I don't know about you guys but that'd easily let me get 1000 gamerscore on fable. All you need to do is be there when someone with pub games upgrades their last ability to max and you've got it. The other option is that if the person already has the completionist achievement you can always get them to unlearn one level on an ability and then learn it again and there you go.

Some people need to learn to read and understand properly before they go off on a tangent.


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Comment #234 by VeteranPants
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 08:52:57 AM
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DONT WORRY YET
the pub games expressions comes in books. so if some1 got the books and just sell them, then other people can get it.
THINK before you start crying.
there is hope

"LEARN TO READ"
I posted this for the 2nd time


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Comment #235 by HamsterLV
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 10:01:56 AM
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F*** Microsoft! Haven't they made enough cash already... They easily could make XBL free and stuff, but it's all about makeing more cash so it doesn't surprise me...


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Comment #236 by SteelCitySkoler
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 10:32:13 AM
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Tell It Straight to Microsoft, Dan.


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Comment #237 by RedBlinky
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 10:37:47 AM
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This does not seem any different from Madden having achievements from NCAA and what not. Upload draft rosters that kind of stuff. It's a link to another game not DLC for the game you have to pay for.


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Comment #238 by lozerbick
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 11:36:20 AM
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The DLC for Katamari was required to %100 the game. this isnt anything new.


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Comment #239 by LAClennell
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 01:01:50 PM
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The Legendary Map pack is needed to get part of the 250G of the 750G on Halo. But of course, you have to pay for it.

When are they gonna make it free?


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Comment #240 by FuriousCactus
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 01:27:09 PM
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well, I guess in Lionhead's defense, they did offer it free if you pre-ordered it, since your $5 pre-order charge went towards the game and pub games came free with that order. I suppose that counts.


But it sucks for those who didn't pre-order.


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Comment #241 by DemonI81
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 01:34:02 PM
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#239
According to Bungie, they aren't.


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Comment #242 by DemonI81
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 01:35:13 PM
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Another thought:
While a game may have 1000 gamerscore in the base game, what about online achievements? This requires paying for an additional service, which could be considered add-on content in a way.


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Comment #243 by swish692
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 03:53:17 PM
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Halo 3 isn't breaking any rules!

Officially, you may release an extra 250G for any extra downloadable content per game. And In Halo's example, It has released the Heroic Map pack, the Legendary Map pack, and the other 250G (which isn't unlockable just yet) is for the future release of the Mythic Map pack.


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Comment #244 by Range_Finder
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 04:18:21 PM
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Just wanted to say i noticed somewhere in here someone said they got the hat headband moustache thing without Pub Games and i myself got Fable 2 this morning (regular version) and i dont own pub games but i found the Dogs backflip trick very early on so maybe the achievement is possible without the pub games


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Comment #245 by godWHYme
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 04:32:51 PM
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As long as fable 2 provides dlc later that gets you atleast to 1000 points it didn't break any rules. The fact this article was written shows how little the writer pays attention to the games released on this console. First of all crackdown was 900 points before it released it's downloadable content. Final Fantasy XI achievements can't be obtained unless you pay for their service and for fable 2 almost any major retailer you pre ordered from gave you a free pub games dl card.


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Comment #246 by littlejay
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 06:04:37 PM
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also you need to play the web games to get the last hero doll. you think you dont need the one that looks like you but it is needed


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Comment #247 by Natanji
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 06:37:28 PM
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In my opinion, Microsoft would already have had to step in when they basically *sold* these achievements in Dead or Alive Xtreme 2. One might argue that the achievements were still achieveable in-game, but seriously, it was clear that they were just so fucking hard and time consuming that people would buy 'em from the marketplace. I'm so happy that one day I'll be able to delete that 0 GS shit. ;P

I don't think Microsoft will do anything against it, and I am very very disappointed by Lionhead here but this is just where we're heading. I expect to be charged for a lot more than just this in the future...


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Comment #248 by auxbackup
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 06:39:18 PM
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there seems to be a lot of comments on this subject and it seems im the only one that got this achievement and i dont own pub games arcade and ive not yet played fable2 online due to not having the internet hooked up to my xbox. i got the achievement after i acquired all the expressions that are in my logbook including the dog tricks and maxed out my characters abilities.


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Comment #249 by BaconHorde
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 07:49:18 PM
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It was a nice read. Quite fun to see how they deleted the thread just like that. I had respected an "Oh ****, we forgot." kind of answer instead of just a delete.


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Comment #250 by Flip4242
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 08:11:38 PM
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i just want to be part of this


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Comment #251 by Its From EBAY
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 09:16:01 PM
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Comment #252 by Its From EBAY
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 09:16:55 PM
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Banter banter banter who care about all this crap can I still play my game let me check................................ohh wait I can amazeing


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Comment #253 by Hobinski20
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 09:20:25 PM
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Well as a QA tester for a video game publisher I think this article makes some valid points but is still stupid. MICROSOFT IS THE PUBLISHER OF THE FABLE II so big surprise on how it was released like this or how Halo 3 had more than the allowed 1000 Gamerscore. However it is still a big steaming pile that it was allowed to be done. Lionhead isn't to blame it's Microsoft themselves for publishing a game that breaks their own standards.


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Comment #254 by TCLCloud
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 10:03:53 PM
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Pub games is gonna be free now anyways as Lionhead are releasing the code for it tomorrow or something. That'll mean more free achievements for those who don't yet have it and be a pain the arse for everyone else who did!


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Comment #255 by Thorpe
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 10:26:03 PM
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LOL at the amount of hassle. It's nothing, really. More things to 'worry' about.


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Comment #256 by Xandet
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 11:07:50 PM
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Hey guys, I went ahead and posted another topic in the Lionhead forums: http://community.lionhead.com/forums/3182837/ShowThread.aspx#3182837

If you can, please support it with a response, so hopefully we can get an answer straight from the horse's mouth. Unless it gets deleted.


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Comment #257 by Sonnenberg
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 11:48:23 PM
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i told my friends this game would be a bust

just like the first one

too short

and now flawed......



i cant believe they deleted your post, pathetic


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Comment #258 by Evil Demon55
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 @ 11:59:56 PM
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I noticed in the description, that you can watch another hero get it aswell. That is making the achievement legal in these terms I guess. That is proboly what Microsoft noticed and since people boost, there will most likely be a boosting group to get this achievement. (What they most-likely thought when they saw this achievement[I'm guessing this]). So since you can obtain the achievement without the "Pub Games" than that makes it a "legal" achievement.

That is my opinion, anyone else agree?


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Comment #259 by Tyger7
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 12:12:27 AM
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Well it was free for a lot of people. I got mine free. I actually think this one is more fair than some of the online ones that are impossible to get. I mean if you want to really dig deep, you have to pay for xbox live right? And some games require you to be online?

Good point but...this is more fair than a virus achievement, which requires you to be in a game with someone that has it. In Fable 2, you have to be in a game with people who have them all, and they could have gotten them for free too. It is fine to me! Achievement trading will work easily for this one.


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Comment #260 by Righteous1 Is I
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 01:01:11 AM
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Not the first violation. Anyone remember Condemned? It's the only 360 retail game to not have a possible 1000/1000 gamerscore. This certainly wont be the last violation.

Not that I care anyway.


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Comment #261 by kearneyweard
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 03:04:48 AM
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The fact that they deleted the thread speaks volumes.


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Comment #262 by raycharles1409
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 04:22:01 AM
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Whoop Whoop!


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Comment #263 by m4ni4c
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 04:33:54 AM
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Comment #264 by Jameseh
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 04:44:03 AM
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...and no, they should'nt and won't make it free for the backlash of people who either: Pre-ordered it, and that was their free gift, or actually (imagine this...) bought the Pub Games for 800 MSP like myself.


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Comment #265 by cgwozz2011
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 05:30:53 AM
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just make fable 2 pub games free on the xbox live marketplace


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Comment #266 by ManicMangoiow
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 06:15:54 AM
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ye i wana join the debate:)


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Comment #267 by Violet Avenger
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 07:33:30 AM
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how would making the pub games free solve anything? It would just make the people who already bought it for 800ms points bitch, especially if they did it for the completionest achievement. They need to have a patch that makes you work to get those two expresions like through a quest or something if you dont wanna buy the pub games, because let me tell you as one who just got the Hat, Headband, Mustache expression in the pub games it was hard and i lost a lot of money. they shouldn't just give it to you i dont think that is the way to go either


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Comment #268 by hippymanjas
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 10:20:37 AM
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I swear I bought the Hat, Headband, moustache expression from the bookstore in Bowersone. I don' think I go too far in the pub games and I haven't played Fable 2 online yet - but seem to have the expression :S

Maybe it is in the game, just a really rare item. But saying that...in pub games it says that the prizes are only available if you unlock them in pub games. I'm confused now as that definitely implies that either Fable 2 or Pub Games is lying.

I'll be interested in the outcome of your message though!


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Comment #269 by edotdj
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 10:33:20 AM
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it's not a violation. you can get any and all achievements via online play without having to purchase any additional content.


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Comment #270 by Red XIII
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 10:38:39 AM
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I see they're giving the Pub Games away for free now, no doubt in response to things like this. I did actually stupidly buy the Pub Games when they were first released, but I don't care about that. The point that other games might follow is the most important, and that can't happen. Btw can I just add that Dancing Stage Universe (UK DDRU) breaks that contract aswell, because you have to buy more songs to unlock *played so many songs* and *all songs* achievements.


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Comment #271 by nukefarmer
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 01:58:13 PM
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Thanks xbox360a now i wont buy fable 2 until they change this policy and hopefully the pub games become free so i can play it and then maybe buy fable 2 next year


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Comment #272 by Angus Macready
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 02:16:41 PM
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Well at least this is still achieveable. Unlike NBA Live 2K6 that wont let you get the last 40 points (win a game over XBOX Live) because EA decided to close the servers.


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Comment #273 by kirkham91
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 04:16:50 PM
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i really hate Fable, but yh microsoft shouldnt let their rules be broken so easily


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Comment #274 by Smolesie
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 04:51:08 PM
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Not having a chance to get 1000 gs really annoys me, as it did in 'Lord Of The Rings: Battle For Middle Earth 2' (Long title lol) where there is only a maximum of 750 gs... ACK it annoys me...


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Comment #275 by L0cke89
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 05:32:26 PM
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Rock Band is not the same. You have to bus a disk. and when I spend over 15$ or even more in this case I want some freakn achievements along with it. Ecspecially when I bought songs for like 100 bucks over the last year.


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Comment #276 by badgerodoom
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 06:24:09 PM
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Pub games comes free with the preorder. I don't know if that counts for anything... and like 274 said, LOTRBFME2 only came with 750(or somewhere in the 700's i forget) and there's no big thing with that, right?


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Comment #277 by Red XIII
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 07:04:54 PM
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Pub Games are free... NOW, as I started my post by saying.

http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/default.aspx

Just look at the posts. I can't be bothered re-reading but one of them says something about it's not the most efficient way to give them for free, but will do for the moment or something like that.


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Comment #278 by Aya Sano
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 07:07:16 PM
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Technically you can get the achievement with out the Pub Games. The 'or see another hero' bit totally throws this article out the window. All you need is a friend with the pub games and your in.


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Comment #279 by Dim A7x
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 08:07:48 PM
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that's just a shame...Paying for game score...what's the next step?Paying in order to watch cinematics and all that stuff?

Lionhead...you deceived me


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Comment #280 by Webb [STAFF]
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 08:38:16 PM
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@ 278 - But has the friend not got to buy it first?

Also, it seems weird that you're happy that they are exploiting a loop hole. If this is acceptable, watch other games start to implement something similar ... THEN you'll complain.


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Comment #281 by HomicidalTripod
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 09:32:38 PM
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I need to shave, and my Bio teacher says Fable II ROCKS!


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Comment #282 by BetterTomorrow
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 09:47:55 PM
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I had read that the pub games expressions do not need to be obtained to unlock the achievement.


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Comment #283 by neoadorable
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 10:19:55 PM
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not sure if someone posted this, but it's not a first. both Rainbow Six games require the camera thingie to get 1000 in them. i don't have the camera and i don't want to buy it, which means i couldn't get 1000 even if i wanted to.


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Comment #284 by Aya Sano
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 @ 11:15:49 PM
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Not saying it's right, just that they can technically do it. That and those rules for achievements are really vague. If you followed them to a T then you'd never have XBL achievements because you have to buy a subscription Then there's those Burnout achievements that you need a camera for. The whole system is full of little exceptions.

In short, the whole thing is a mess designed to get your money :


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Comment #285 by CrypplingDiarrhea
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 12:09:48 AM
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Honestly, I know this is an achievement site and all, and I myself and an achievement whore, but this is a level of bitching to which I cannot tolerate. I mean, what a whiny piece of shit you are to complain about this. There have been "violations" before. Condemned, Lord of the Rings, and let's not forget the sacredest of sacred cows, Gears of War. What were they thinking making us pay for 250 GS. 1000 GS is easily available to those who didn't preorder Fable 2, and if you're such a Fable fan, you would have know you could have preordered at Gamestop for a free arcade game. You think crying about achievement points is legit but no single game follows the rule. I mean I got 1000 gs on Avatar in 47 seconds and I tried for months to get a single achievement on DoA X2 for a month and r


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Comment #286 by CrypplingDiarrhea
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 12:15:15 AM
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Arrgh my rant was cut short. The point is, you'll live. Try to enjoy a game for once. I got most of October's games to actually play and not rush to 1000 GS in 2 days for achievements. It seems 360 games are mostly played for just that now...


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Comment #287 by Blacknight00345
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 03:14:10 AM
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Why doesn't everyone who is complaining about this "problem" just go play the PS3 instead so that you don't have to worry about the whole microsoft thing. This way you won't have achievment problems. Plus you have free online play. Thus yuo can stop being annonying on the internet.
P.S. Webb great article, not directed towards you.


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Comment #288 by Blaze1983
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 03:59:09 AM
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I really dont get why everyone is crying over this, if you are playing a game only for achievements "Fact" You Need a new hobby, PPL get over it how many points we talking about here? You get sweet FA for gamerpoints, dont get me wrong i love seeing the box pop up with "Whatever achievment" but fact of the matter is you should be buying games to enjoy & play not cry that XXpoints i cant get because of some DLC, Not as if you can even use them for anything


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Comment #289 by Thinreaper
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 04:29:06 AM
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this sucks, no developer should be allowed to bend or break the rules, even Lionhead, even if it is one of the biggest games of the year

They should release a patch or something for this that will allow people to get the full 1000 without ever having to play Pub Games.


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Comment #290 by Hkem
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 06:31:46 AM
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If they make it free, I want my 800G back for buying Pub Games.


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Comment #291 by tttBARBWIREttt
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 06:43:45 AM
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http://community.lionhead.com/blogs/fable_2_development/default.aspx

there giving it away free just have to be there at the right time! got mine


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Comment #292 by VeteranPants
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 07:40:02 AM
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PEOPLE!!!
CAN'T YOU READ
1: you dont need those expressions!
2: if you join someone who's got the achievement. you got it to.
3: the expressions comes in books. SO STOP CRYING!!!
i posted this 3 times now
r you blind!!!!!


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Comment #293 by Menzeldinho
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 08:32:03 AM
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They should aslo be sued for having the most boring achievements.. "the" at the begging of all of them.. Peter Get some imagination!!


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Comment #294 by Webb [STAFF]
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 09:00:25 AM
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lol @ 285 - You either can't read or just an idiot ;)

I have the full 1k. Had it before I wrote this little piece. This corporate mentality will eventually destroy the achievement system and will allow them to profit off you for your pastime.

The MS achievement policy is proactive from Feb 07, which means it works from Feb 07 onwards thus not including Condemned or LotR.

Fable 2 is a high profile game. One that is from MS themselves, if the precedent is set now, then what chance do we stand?


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Comment #295 by Kagosin
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 09:37:29 AM
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Did anyone realize that the Pub Games was given away for free when you pre-ordered the game?

They didn't deceive anyone. The fact of the matter, is that if you were truly interested in getting the full experience of the game, one would have already devoted time into getting it. Hell it was a few months before the game came out that you were able to get the product for free.

If you got the game just based on an impulse, or no research, then you shouldn't really complain about the achievements to begin with.

Key statement: The game WAS given out for free, but because of people not catching onto it, it's honestly their fault missing out on things. It's no different than having multiplayer achievements, and not playing the game until like a year after it's out. The achievements are t


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Comment #296 by DisBTaylor11289
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 10:20:45 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but can't you also play the pub games in Fable II? Not sure if it works the same way but its worth a try.


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Comment #297 by volten
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 10:31:32 AM
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ok lionhead did not brack the rules on this achivment as they gave the pub games away free in the uk and the us and as far as i no most of the world in the uk u need to go to game they advtised it every where so its ur own folt if u dint get it it was there for sometime about 2 months and as for the erlyer halo3 comment there relising a new campan mode for a good 500 of thows points so stop winging that all sead and me filing im had my input y not complan about the exspron u get of the net


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Comment #298 by Menzeldinho
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 10:55:29 AM
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Just go no the god damm achievement trading thread and get the rest of your achievements you gamerscore thirsty pieces of.... yeh


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Comment #299 by Blacknight00345
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 12:57:52 PM
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Finally people with some sense


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Comment #300 by Blaze1983
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 03:42:34 PM
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cry The end is near!!! some ppl cant get there 1k WTF IS THE WORLD COMING TOO!!! I mean damn ppl need there points or we die (Right?!?!)


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Comment #301 by Blaze1983
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 03:45:42 PM
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BTW i got my 1k =P mmwwwwhhahahahaha to all the ppl crying =P


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Comment #302 by Crimson Ridley
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 07:10:16 PM
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@300-301: How about a lovely glass of STFU? Learn to spell.

When you buy a game, you know there is 1000gs you can get from the disc. You know that you won't need another game to unlock any part of that 1000gs. With Fable 2, you have to have a completly different game. This isn't right.

Now, one more person say "Buy Pub Games" or "Stop crying" and you go into my complete and utter retards of the internet 2008 book.


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Comment #303 by Menzeldinho
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 07:17:56 PM
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Why do u need 1000 on it anyway? you have proberly yet to play NBA 2k6 And NHL 2k6 along with some other "easy Gamerscore" games to boost your nice 5 or maybe even 6 digit number.. jeez smarten up and get a Lady ( or man if your into that sort of buisness )


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Comment #304 by Crimson Ridley
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 07:29:22 PM
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@303 - In the book you go! If you have got a game, you may as well go for the 1000 if you can. It's like buying a Big Mac but leaving the burger if you don't go for the 1000.


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Comment #305 by ACMercenary
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 09:15:38 PM
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Ive noticed alot of people have said Fable 2 Pub Games was free when pre-ordered.

Thats not the good enough; not everyone preorders. Therefore it still breaches the rules. They need to fix this, I'd buy pub games sure, but I just think its a bit unfair that it shud be needed for Fable 2 itself.


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Comment #306 by mjc0961
Thursday, October 30, 2008 @ 09:18:18 PM
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You know, this got me thinking. Wouldn't achievements that require you to have Xbox Live and/or accessories like the Vision Camera also be a breach of policy? You'd need to buy a subscription to Xbox Live Gold or other accessories in order to get the full 1000 off of the disc, meaning that you can't get them all for the RRP.

But I guess stuff like that doesn't count as add-on content to the actual game, so they can keep making us bend over to pick up the soap when it comes to those kind of achievements.


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Comment #307 by Kagosin
Friday, October 31, 2008 @ 09:56:40 AM
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@305:

That's why there was that other example of what I had earlier about the multiplayer situation. Look for example at what #306 said. Technically if buying another game was a breach, then the achievements that need accessories, such as xbox live vision for Rainbow Six, or online multiplayer achievements where you need gold subscription, would be a breach as well.

Why is it that NOW people start questioning the situation, including the fact that you had a chance to get the other game for free, unlike other accessories?


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Comment #308 by surferdudecorey
Friday, October 31, 2008 @ 05:03:23 PM
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well the problem with this whole thing u posted is the fact that in order to acquire the pub games for free was to pre order the game. and if u pre ordered it and did not recieve the pub games way back in august when they were realesed thn it is the retailers fault not microsofts or lionheads


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Comment #309 by Budweiser89
Friday, October 31, 2008 @ 10:47:37 PM
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first of all there is nothing wrong with the achievement i got all the achievements before i got add on content for pub games or their website including completionist you don't know what your talking about....


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Comment #310 by b100dlust
Saturday, November 01, 2008 @ 06:56:52 AM
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Get all expressions, pet tricks and abilities, or see another Hero do so.

i repeat, or see another hero do so.

=)


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Comment #311 by Ninjahamster
Saturday, November 01, 2008 @ 02:54:31 PM
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b100dlust, that isn't the point they are saying that a full 1000 GS is what people should be able to achieve with just spending the RRP on a game, not the extra money on DLC from XBL Marketplace, Pub Games. So that means (and they did say in the article, if you read it properly) that someone MUST have spend MORE than the RRP to get the DLC Pub Games for 1000 GS to start spreading the achievment for others to have.


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Comment #312 by litepink
Sunday, November 02, 2008 @ 04:37:40 PM
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violation or not, this is rotten. someone else pointed out a few times: only gamestop had the free pub games. theres best buy, target, game crazy, etc. europe didnt get any free pub games. also read: gamerscore blog before using madden as an example. it stated that games would have 1,000 from NOW ON. i am all for buying items/attributes ala Tiger Woods or Soul Calibur...but be able to obtain in game as well. if pub games made it easier to get some achievements that would be one thing, but not to get that at all without it, just rotten.


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Comment #313 by Blaze1983
Monday, November 03, 2008 @ 05:08:55 AM
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MSG to 302~ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

what a fool, kk can someone please explain why this is such a big deal honestly............

You buy a game ~ you play the game ~ you enjoy the game ~ But you cant get 1k "points" (that do sweet FA)
Whats the problem.........
If you could "Spend" the points somehow id get it, If the fact you have XXX points actually ment something id understand

But we have ppl going ape S~~T & wanting to blow up lionhead because they cant get these points

no one else find this REALLY funny...........


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Comment #314 by fiftycalBeowulf
Monday, November 03, 2008 @ 07:27:57 AM
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I got the completionist achievement before HHM or 3 of renown expressions by maxing out my Hero's abilities(many hours spent "farming"). This is not a gotcha, and way to many of these responders are little more than popinjay's. There is no violation! Lionhead may not have tested for bugs enough, but they put out a legit game as far as achievements are concerned.


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Comment #315 by peglegp
Friday, November 07, 2008 @ 11:48:52 AM
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The achievements should not be inside Fable 2 if they are related to Pub Games. These are SEPARATE GAMES with separate retail prices!

We will ALL see if Lionhead/Microsoft are PURE or CORRUPT, with their terminology, according to how they react to this situation. The ball is in their court.

My only possible suggestions for Lionhead/Microsoft if these allegations are true is a patch so the expressions can be attained naturally in the game with possibly a credit for all Pub Games buyers to buy other Xbox Live games.

If for some reason the expressions can be attained without more money from a player or partner, then tell us by all means!! Otherwise, somebody alert the 'The Consumerist'!


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Comment #316 by peglegp
Friday, November 07, 2008 @ 12:05:15 PM
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Achievements aside, empty expression slots are ridiculous, fiftycalBeowulf, but thanks for the info!


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Comment #317 by kingrich06
Saturday, November 08, 2008 @ 02:15:04 AM
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While I am enjoying playing Fable II. I am greatly disappointed on how they released the game with some serious bugs. And with the problems with the limited edition should also be noted. The situation with the 1000 points just adds one more thing that annoys me with the game.


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Comment #318 by DarthSidious
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 08:26:35 PM
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asking one greedy thieving bastard company to police another...ridiculous


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Comment #319 by Kocheski
Monday, November 24, 2008 @ 11:36:22 PM
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sorry to burst anyone's bubble but if u have played fable 2 I'm sure u know that u can get the "completionist" 2 ways other than paying for it..

1.be there when another hero gets the achievement...

2.trade for the items: Hat, Headband, moustache and the dog backflip..

to me they broke no rules..


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Comment #320 by TCHR0ME
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 @ 10:56:53 AM
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I got pub games free for pre ordeing the game, Lionhead pwns all you haters should step off


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Comment #321 by WafflingBCD
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 @ 09:49:10 PM
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I noe you all are getting mad becoz you cant get the full 1000/1000 and you have to purchase and 'game' just to get it. I can uderstnd this as I am in the same boat as u all, cant get the achievement and unwilling to purchase the arcade game and feel cheated by lion head. They are clearly using the loophole and there is no way they are going to do about it, they are not wrong legelly. Even if they want to fix the problem there is no way they are going to give out free copy of the arcade game, if the do so another group of ppl that purchase the arcade game is going to start this thing over again, becoz they paid for the game and is unable to get any refunds. By expressing yourself in the forum can only make you feel better and nothing else. So this is all what i want to say.


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Comment #322 by NFLStreet
Sunday, January 25, 2009 @ 02:23:12 PM
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WTF I preodered it but they didn't give it to me


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Comment #323 by Jabbawocky
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 11:48:23 AM
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So was that Jedi Temple I bought for The Force Unleashed against the rules cause that has achievement points?


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Comment #324 by Achiever TM
Monday, February 09, 2009 @ 03:04:46 PM
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I can't agree with this!at first I really though: yes x360a is right with this, but if I think better I would know that I can get the achievement playing coop, so this way LionHead is not going against Microsoft policy!we pay XBL to get our multiplayer achievements, and this one can be classified as Multiplayer achievement!!can be gotten without Fable 2 Pub Games!!that's my opinion...


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Comment #325 by SCA KAZUMA
Monday, February 16, 2009 @ 10:49:57 AM
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Obviously, #324, you cannot read. Let me quote this:

And before someone raises the “see another Hero do so” issue; someone must have had to buy it originally to spread the achievement. If that surely is the reason, then it seems a weak way of upholding the rules by allowing for different loopholes to play out. Oh, and before I get the “you’re bitter because you haven’t got it yourself”, I was lucky to get in as a friend achieved it very recently.

Do I need to say anymore? It's in the original post. You just need to read the entire thing instead of just the headline, and making your assumption. If you want to check where, it's under the picture.


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Comment #326 by dramafish
Thursday, February 19, 2009 @ 09:21:01 AM
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I'm a big fan of games like fable, and i got it about a week ago now. (I waited for the prices to drop a bit) And i'm close to getting all the achievements now, and then i find out about all of this...

It's an absolute fucking outrage, it shouldn't go against their policy, what a bunch of crap, they'd better get this fixed soon.


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Comment #327 by Immortal X Dead
Thursday, March 05, 2009 @ 03:35:20 AM
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Theres a loophole with the Fable policy issue. Microsoft can argue that lionhead allowed retailers to "Preorder" a copy of fable 2. Any person who preordered the game got a redemption code FREE OF CHARGE for the fable 2 pub games. So if you ordered it early technically you didnt pay any additional money out of pocket.


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Comment #328 by prlaxboy23
Saturday, May 30, 2009 @ 05:30:44 AM
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i agree with all this but wasn't it posable to get the pub games for free when you reserved the game so you weren't paying extra


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Comment #329 by TheBorkinator
Thursday, July 09, 2009 @ 05:05:38 PM
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this conspiracy theory is a load of crap. i got every expression and dog trick WITHOUT ever playing Fable pub games. the hat/headband/moustache expression i found in a chest. i bought the dogs backflip from the bowerstone book store. the only one i couldnt get from playing the game was the feign attack and i got it from fable2.com


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Comment #330 by Webb [STAFF]
Monday, July 13, 2009 @ 05:13:00 PM
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@329 - It was patched in recently ;)

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-2482-Lionhead-to-Fix-Fable-2-s-Achievement-Fault-with-See-the-Future.html


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Comment #331 by LittleMicroBtch
Thursday, January 28, 2010 @ 07:54:00 PM
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Well, I have just recently been playing Fable 2 and love the game. As much as I dislike microsoft for charging so much for gamer points and the 360 itself, I have to argue this point about the achievement conspiracy. I got both Hat, Hairband, Moustache and the dog’s Backflip without downloading anything. I haven't even completed the Spire quest yet or played a single pub game within the fable 2 game itself and I have both of those expressions. I wish I could help everyone by saying how or where I found them but I honestly cannot remember at this point, I want to say I dug them up or found them somewhere, maybe in a chest but I definitely have them both and I did not have to purchase pub games 2. So actually, microsoft did keep their word regarding Fable 2. Now that I am reading some above


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Comment #332 by LittleMicroBtch
Thursday, January 28, 2010 @ 07:59:46 PM
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comments, I see I am not the only one who found them for free.


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Comment #333 by Chas222
Sunday, March 07, 2010 @ 04:10:37 AM
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I have owned my copy for over a year and just started playing it. I have not played online or while logged in and therefore not received any patch. I do however have both expressions that are the topic of this thread. I also have never downloaded or played pub games, and am currently at the Hero of Stregth quest!


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Comment #334 by Blades16
Sunday, May 02, 2010 @ 11:36:40 AM
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I don't remember how I got mine...


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Comment #335 by SBC x DeMoN
Thursday, November 11, 2010 @ 07:08:58 PM
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i will pay 1,000,000 gold who ever has this book message me SBC x DeMoN


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