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BioShock 2 DLC Backlash Hits 2K
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2K has been at the centre of accusations that their post-launch 'Sinclair Solutions Test Pack' DLC was sitting on the game disc all along, despite the download size being a slender 108k.

Selling for 400 Microsoft Points on the Xbox Live Marketplace, the DLC pack contains a stack of multiplayer content that would require a far more substantial download size, which has lead consumers to suspect that what they're actually paying for is an unlock key to access content already on the disc they've forked out for.

2K community manager '2K Elizabeth' addressed the claims regarding the Sinclair Solutions Test Pack on the publisher's forum, stating: "The way our engine and game structure works is that people need to have the exact same content for people to play together. One of the challenges with post launch content for MP is that it can split the player base, and we want to avoid that whenever possible.

"For this content, creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base – so whether you purchase the new content or not, you can still play with your friends."

You'll notice that the response fails to directly address the accusations head on, but neatly sidesteps them instead. Replies on the forum have already called into question the technical validity of the reply, so expect this debate to run and run.

[Via MCV]




 
 

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Comment #1 by EcT Felix
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:36:09 PM
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Wow what a fail, glad i didnt buy it. BECAUSE THIS IS ROBBERY!


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Comment #2 by mmartynn
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:37:26 PM
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if its already on the disc it should be fuckin free.
good job i havent brought the dlc and good job i never will


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Comment #3 by Nck90
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:38:40 PM
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bunch of crap.. its called releasing a free content pack to which you can play with but not use the said addons, it's been done before with Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Fable 2.. lying bastards the online game sucks to Bioshock 2 anyway .. this is just another reason to hate it more


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Comment #4 by RareCoincidence
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:39:46 PM
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what aload of crap,but then again resident evil 5 did the same thing


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Comment #5 by ThundaCat
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:40:27 PM
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Well that sucks!


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Comment #6 by Liamnator1005
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:42:14 PM
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its good to know what Capcom did with RE5 has passed onto other developers


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Comment #7 by FaW II HaVoK
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:43:09 PM
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the story is probably the best thing about this game.


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Comment #8 by Chanens417
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:43:27 PM
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I agree with the fact that what I pay for on the disk should be mine from the beginning. But from a business stand point, this makes sense. People will still buy it. They are not the first company to do this, and I am sure you will see more doing this in the future. If we as consumers are not happy with it, we should not buy it. Send a message that we will not support this method of delivery.


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Comment #9 by Smiles90
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:45:25 PM
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BOO!


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Comment #10 by TheMagicalHat
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:45:42 PM
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I don't see anything wrong with this tbh? I don't have Bioshock 2 anyway so...


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Comment #11 by Flibbity Floid
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:46:12 PM
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"Wow what a fail, glad i didnt buy it. BECAUSE THIS IS ROBBERY!"

Haha! You realize that almost any Map Pack DLC you buy is just as big a ripoff. It's only such an issue nowadays b/c Online Gaming stretches far beyond the PC and is taking hands at all genres aside from just MMO and FPS DM's.
Resident Evil 5 - same thing
Halo 3/ODST - Same thing (difference is a game disc)

Either way, the aforementioned tend to sell at standard 800 MSP where the Bio2 DLC is 400 MSP to start...I'd say that's a damn good deal than paying 800 MSP for the first map pack on COD4 MW which was a HUGE ripoff and probably the worst map pack ever released.


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Comment #13 by evilragd0ll
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:48:16 PM
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It's the same with shit like Bad Company 2.

There's DLC sitting on the disc but you gotta pay for it when they release it.

It's bullshit.


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Comment #14 by tripleb2k
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:48:17 PM
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#11 - this isn't a map pack.


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Comment #15 by Filter x360a
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:49:11 PM
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I for one will NOT be buying this content, There is no excuse shipping this with the game then charging for new DLC. Shady business.


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Comment #17 by isw42
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:50:09 PM
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This saves me from wasting money on this game.


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Comment #18 by Komrade
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:51:01 PM
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I've gotten over DLC for the most part. I rent almost all the games I play, and the ones I do buy, like Dragon Age, I'd want the DLC no matter what.


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Comment #19 by NevEP
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:52:09 PM
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Glad I didn't get suckered. I still have a problem with them releasing DLC for a buggy game anyways.


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Comment #20 by Bell 2d
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:52:39 PM
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WTF!! Selling Content for 400MSP that is already on the disc, good job i never bought this DLC, probably won't anyway, Am Level 1 on Bioshock 2 and i can't even get a game. Its one of those games when released on MP, it has loads of player, after a few months its dead hardly anyone playing it.


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Comment #21 by Firegod83
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:53:13 PM
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Dirty play, thats too bad. 2K was one of the good ones too.

Having DLC on day 1 that you actually download and was worked on after the fact is one thing, having DLC on Day 30 that was actually already on the disc? Dirty.


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Comment #22 by Xwarzone P
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:53:32 PM
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>creating the DLC package the way we did allowed for us to not split the player base

Utter BS. They could've made a free patch with the content, anyone can see it but only those who pay can use it. See Burnout Paradise which did exactly this.


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Comment #23 by Battosai343
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:53:37 PM
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Single player DLC, please.


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Comment #24 by cheeta prime
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:56:14 PM
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this is not fair why not do what do what bioware did for ME2 release at least same free content to make up for you having to buy what they were to lazy to put in before launch


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Comment #25 by ThrillKillBill
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:57:41 PM
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@#8 Sure, some people will and have bought it but I for one wouldn't touch this with your "wireless controller".

Still, even with you, me and quite a few others not buying it, nothing will change. Most gaming companies have shown over and over that they'll ignore the customers views in lieu of focusing on their board members wallets.


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Comment #26 by Allan Caesar
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:58:28 PM
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Id also like to mention Mega Man 9 and Mega Man 10 have/will be doing the same thing.

Although i can forgive Capcom for that because its worth it.


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Comment #27 by jumpinjonny
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:58:45 PM
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kinda glad it wasnt unlocked on the disc really- didnt really want a rank 50 cheev instead of a rank 40 cheev


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Comment #28 by Isometric
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 12:58:48 PM
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@13 - Wrong. Anyone who bought a copy of Bad Company 2 will get this first round of content for free. I'm not a big fan of the way EA and DICE did this, either, but it's actually quite different from what 2K did. EA is not shy about it's opposition to the used game and game rental markets. They want everyone that plays their games to buy them at retail. Accordingly, they package stuff like the "VIP" code in new copies of BFBC2 that allows free access to all the content on the disc, and in this case, the first DLC. When someone rents the game, as a friend of mine did from Gamefly, they are unable to play a couple of the maps that those who bought the game are. What 2K did is different. They charged for content that was already on the disc indiscriminately, which is pretty lame and actually


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Comment #29 by puma
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:01:13 PM
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i love angry nerds. thanks for the LOL's.

if you want it, buy it. if you don;t want it, don't buy it. fair and simple. The developer/publisher don't owe you a damn thing.


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Comment #30 by samhogy
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:02:48 PM
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Should have programmed your game better if that's the case! Other games can add map packs and the like perfectly fine...


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Comment #31 by ezekiel 08
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:03:41 PM
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I might get this for PC, but not 360 :-(.


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Comment #32 by ModernViking
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:04:33 PM
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Achievements please or please don't bother to release it.

THIS IS ROBBERY!!!


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Comment #33 by MartyMcFly
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:04:35 PM
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It's too late now. Game companies have already figured out that they can cut a little piece of the game out, then charge $10 later for it.

See any stupid multiplayer map pack for any stupid war game.


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Comment #34 by acidbrn
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:06:30 PM
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I cant even get Bioshocks mulitplayer to connect so im glad I can let this DLC go.


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Comment #35 by DerPoodle
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:08:33 PM
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am i the only one that believes 2k's response makes sense from a multiplayer programming point of view. the content that belongs to this $5 pack is thin anyway, hence the price and the fact that it shouldn't split their multiplayer base. start getting upset if there are whole map packs ready and waiting on the retail disk...


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Comment #36 by MrBubbles x360a
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:09:34 PM
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Yea, 5 bucks sure is robbery? What are you all homeless and somehow playing an xbox? It's 5 bucks. Oh well shut the hell up and deal with it. Problem Solved


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Comment #37 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:09:49 PM
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I wish I would have known this before I purchased it. If they release anymore DLC, they won't get my money. Shame on you, 2K and Bioshock. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


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Comment #38 by st80umseating
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:12:56 PM
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I think what you should be mad about is that you were asked to spend $5 for peripherals. My problem is that the 400 MSpoints got you a handful of masks and trials. There was little of substance in this DLC in the first place.

Certainly there is a larger issue regarding what the consumer is "due" upon purchase. The problem isn't as simple as "if it was on the disc already, it should be mine." If this argument starts to hold water, what's to stop these companies from creating this content before launch and, instead of packaging it on the disc, just holding onto it for a month or so and calling it DLC (and I'm not complaining about EPIC here but they did that with the "Deleted Scene" for Gears 2)? It's essentially the same thing.

This is an undoubtedly sticky situation as both th


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Comment #39 by Dr Bob
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:13:33 PM
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Now this is definitely an unlock key because a 108k file is obviously


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Comment #40 by st80umseating
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:14:04 PM
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This is an undoubtedly sticky situation as both the consumers and creators want what is best for them... unfortunately "what is best" is different for each. The best way to make a statement is to be judicious with your money. Don't just buy DLC because the name is attached to a game you own. Make informed decisions about what is best for you and your gaming. Take the x360a staffers advice on DLC. If it's good, quality DLC, let the developers know by paying for it. If it's crap, let them know by buying someone else's DLC. If we're going to be "forced" to by DLC for every game that comes out, we might as well let the developers know we're willing to pay... but only if it's of good quality.


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Comment #41 by Zombified 502
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:15:41 PM
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oh well still is more fun than MW2 oh and all you FPS guys out there that think this is crap, how would you feel to know that infinity ward is talking about charging you to play their crappy game??? yep it is being talked about so I guess that is just another way that "the man" is sticking it to you... ha I love angry people that don't know what their talking about i can understand the 400 MSP thats fine and the content already being on the disc makes it easier for people to download therefore being cheaper its almost like paying a convenience fee


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Comment #42 by toonsage
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:16:00 PM
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have new cheevos been aded o.o


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Comment #43 by Dr Popodopolus
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:16:31 PM
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Once again the guys who write the most seemingly never have their GT linked LOL


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Comment #44 by Dr Bob
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:16:59 PM
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It's funny how they give a bullshit response about keeping the non-DLC and DLC communities together.

A lot of games have DLC map packs that are quite large in file sizes - even some on the same engine as Bioshock 2 (see: Gears of War)! I don't recall the communities being split due to the various map packs for that game, as well as other games.

This is daylight robbery at its finest. They thought they'd get away with releasing an unlock key but it's backfired and now they are telling lies to cover it up.

Also, @4 @6 @11:

I will keep saying this: Resident Evil 5's Versus DLC was NOT an unlock key. It is 2MB in file size, going over the unlock key's standard file size of


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Comment #45 by Dr Bob
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:18:23 PM
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Now this is definitely an unlock key because a 108 file is obviously below 1MB.

(My previous posts cut this bit off)


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Comment #46 by II M1CK3H II
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:22:02 PM
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This is almost the same as another well known game.

Bioshock 2 = Almost unplayably laggy muliplayer with 400MSP unlock code for content on disc.

Modern Warfare 2 = Glitch ridden, buggy pile of crap with 3 maps costing 1200MSP.

Next thing we'll be seeing is an option to import all CoD 4 maps to MW2 for a bargain price of 5000MSP.


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Comment #47 by 100Proof
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:23:38 PM
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What @29 said. 99% of DLC is finished/near-finished content that developers/publishers excise so they can a) extend the life of their game and/or b) squeeze a few more dollars out of the fanbase. Is it a little shady? Yeah, sure... but that's DLC. If you don't like that, then you don't like DLC and probably shouldn't buy it. I don't. But I never pay for anything digital that I could lose access to down the road. That's just me... I like owning the things I purchase. Whether or not it's already on the disc is irrelevant. This is the established business model for releasing games on modern consoles. Being selective about which games or publishers you want to crucify for this is stupid.

Just like anything else in life, if you think it's worth the money you're paying for it, buy it. If you


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Comment #48 by Jericho666
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:24:06 PM
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This is controversial, but I will never buy Capcom again after the RE5 Versus... despicable and guaranteed they'll continue it with Lost Planet 2 and Dead Rising 2


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Comment #49 by MartyMcFly
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:24:54 PM
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@35 - You missed the point. Sure what he said made sense, but he didn't respond directly to the accusation.

What they did by not splitting the MP is fine, but what they're doing is charging you $$ for content that is ALREADY on your game.


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Comment #50 by iLLMATICxKiNG
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:24:56 PM
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That's what MW2 is doing. The maps are on the disk. Hence how I knew the maps for the past two months.


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Comment #51 by Xenodolf
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:25:30 PM
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^ Or Capcom just padded it a bit with extra files to thicken the download size so people wouldn't suspect. That's how some hackers trick people into downloading "programs".. when the item in question is actually a trojan with a bunch of nonfunctioning files surrounding it to take up memory.


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Comment #52 by eddie_cheeseman
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:25:53 PM
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the guy sounds like he is from the civil service.


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Comment #53 by TDC333
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:31:08 PM
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I am getting tired of developers robbing consumers by charging for something that was shipped with the game.

Unlock your shit for free once you work out the bugs. Do not charge for something because you want to swindle people that already forked over a nice chunk of change for your game.

We gamers needs to take a stand on this or it will run rampant with every developer creating "DLC" that is already on the disc, but needs an unlock code.

If it is actual DLC that was created after the game was released then I can see them POSSIBLY charging for it, but that is still kind of far fetched in most cases.

Breaking it down to the US minimum wage standard a person would have to work approximately 10-11 hours to pay for a $60 game. That is a lot of time spent to get the money to buy o


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Comment #54 by chitown420
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:31:32 PM
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wow times are tight dont know why people make a big deal over 5 bucks more then likely it your parents money anyways or you just dont have a job period its only 5 dollars


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Comment #55 by asilent boom
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:35:04 PM
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Your not being forced to buy this. If they didn't do this then it would probably take twice as long to find a MP game or longer, but I guess you guys would rather have that and the community split and have to DL the whole thing. Then everyone would have complained about that.

The way they did it, you don't have to buy it and the community isn't split up is a very good thing imo.


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Comment #56 by Dowgle
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:35:09 PM
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This is shameless, resident evil 5 did the same thing with vs. mode dlc.
Its absolutely unacceptable that companies think they can charge people for what they have already bought and just cant access.
I purchased the 'unlock key' for vs. mode on resi 5 and it was a huge disappointment.
Will not be purchasing this, not worth my time, effort, or more importantly, MONEY!


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Comment #57 by spearian
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:35:22 PM
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Its only a matter of time where this becomes the norm for developers. Im surprised no one has mentioned Street Figher 4. When Capcom released that you had to pay 1600 points! just to get access to alternate costumes that were already on the disc, and guess what, they are doing the exact same thing for Super Street Fighter 4.


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Comment #58 by Dowgle
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:37:51 PM
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p.s @#54, im a student living off a crap student loan which just covers rent and what little money my single mum can give me.
Its not that easy for all of us.
For instance, what if loads of games start doing this, not so cheap then, is it?


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Comment #59 by Bullhorse
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:38:04 PM
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@54 it's only five dollars for THIS game. DLC has ranged anywhere from $5-20 and a lot of the time it's a sheer ripoff. maybe you just don't value your money. personally, i'm sick of every game slapping together bullshit DLC. it's good when it's a truly expansive piece of content, like in fallout 3, but those games are the exception, not the rule. mostly, they are blatantly scamming people who simply want THE COMPLETE GAME THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR.


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Comment #60 by Bullhorse
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:39:23 PM
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i'm hanging in there for now, but if game companies keep this nonsense up, they'll see who has the last laugh. because really, we all know how to pirate this crap if we want to. and if push comes to shove, we will.


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Comment #61 by SebbeG
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:39:42 PM
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people getting worked up about stuff like this. I gotta tell you a secret. This is why I enjoy sites like this one. I could sit here and read a whole evening since it's easily one of the best forms of comedy.

Someone goes: They're ripping me of, bohoo, angry statement.

Response: Don't buy it then you noob.

Response 2: I wasn't planning to. MP sucks anyway, I'll go play one of my 20+ other generic war-shooter-games instead.

My response: If you're not happy with the way they do business then don't support the company. We live in a world driven by money and a company like 2K are out to make money, not please every little whiner out there. Bioshock 2 is an amazing game and it makes Modern Warfare 2 seem like the crappiest thing ever to be released. The MP in Bioshock 2 outranks Mod


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Comment #62 by Will Daniels
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:39:55 PM
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What would be interesting to see is if this pack had achievements with it. Would that change peoples mind? It's a moot point since it does not.

I don't much care for the multiplayer component of this game anyways, so for me it doesn't matter. But I disagree with this practice. This should have been released for free to people that already bought it.


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Comment #63 by SebbeG
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:41:18 PM
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got cut at the end i see. i'll add the rest here then.


My response: If you're not happy with the way they do business then don't support the company. We live in a world driven by money and a company like 2K are out to make money, not please every little whiner out there. Bioshock 2 is an amazing game and it makes Modern Warfare 2 seem like the crappiest thing ever to be released. The MP in Bioshock 2 outranks Modern Warfare in every aspect. So to all those complaining: Go back to playing your CoD or you're Halo and stay away from my Bioshock 2 servers, cause if I see you I'll strap on the Big Daddy suit and crush you in ways you didn't even think was possible.

This DLC, even if it is on the game disc I'll be glad to cough up 5 bucks so that 2K can stay in business and keep doing wh


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Comment #64 by SebbeG
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:42:30 PM
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cut again. what is going on here?

This DLC, even if it is on the game disc I'll be glad to cough up 5 bucks so that 2K can stay in business and keep doing what they're doing, which is to say, awesome games like Bioshock...


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Comment #65 by ash356
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:43:41 PM
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@54
What with unemployment rates increasing rapidly here in the UK, i would say, yes, it is a rather big deal.:/
Plus, any content ON the game disc should be free. Like take the creed 2 DLC, that was only not on the disc purely because they couldn't fit it on, and this is the general point of DLCs as a whole; They are meant to be things that either update the game (E.G, Forza, Fifa etc) or things that would not get on the game disc, A.K.A Creed 2.
As for Fallout and other things, they're a bit harder to fit into a group, so lets just call them an expansion :P.
Henceforth, in my opinion, this is a bunch of B******t.
I'm actually ashamed of 2K, this is the kind of thing Activision would do :L


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Comment #66 by ExtremeRugburn
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:44:57 PM
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If I had only known... I bought this midnight when it came out. I wouldn't have if I had known 1) their were no additinal achievements, and 2) that I already owned the content on my disc.
I thought that one of the premise for dlc was that it was "extra content" that didnt fit within the space of the game due to microsoft perameters. Just like on Gears 2 they cut out the one mission, but then added it in with the map pack. Or if a game is widely successful and people want more they make additional content such as Fallout3. This whole business of locking portions of the game which are their from day one is shady. Im definately not gonna rush out and purchase "DLC" without getting more info. Like people said above, unless we as consumers start banding togther and stop buying their bull


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Comment #67 by ExtremeRugburn
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:46:30 PM
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shit then they will keep feeding it to us.


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Comment #68 by st80umseating
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:46:42 PM
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Sorry I haven't attached my gamer profile. I was unaware until now that I had to post 10+ times in order to edit my profile--I just thought my page was effed. Anyway, I wasn't trying to hide my identity (posts 38 and 40), I just didn't know any better. I'm working on it. :-)


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Comment #69 by Cable Player
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:47:30 PM
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Hold on... I thought they already had this argument before the game was released.
I understand what the lady said about everybody being able to play together - good on them for thinking about that, but it certainly could have been done in a different way. Update the game? Make a patch that is essential to download?
I think this argument went with Resi 5 (correct me if im wrong) they took DLC out of the original game to become DLC.
All in all not a very smart move from 2K, but from playing Borderlands which is also 2K, i have all three DLC packs which cost 2,400MP all together and some of my friends just cant afford it. This means I cant play with them.
Its a two sided argument that is supported very well on either side but My opinion is that they certainly should have done it in a diff


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Comment #70 by Joshi 82 AT
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:52:29 PM
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Isn't this the same as it was for the 1st DLC for halo wars, Resident Evil 5 (versus mode), Sacred 2 (imp carrier), and so on... All not bigger than 2 MB. So if there was no discussion in the past, I personally do not understand why people are upset now. Anyway have fun gaming, with of without the DLC :)


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Comment #71 by bigdaddybruce44
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:52:58 PM
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1) As other intelligent people have already pointed out, tons of content that becomes DLC is developed alongside the game. This is no different at all. If you ever buy ANY DLC, you have likely already bought something that the developers were working on and decided to hold on off or were forced by the publisher to keep in their pockets. You can't cry about this, but then go buy other DLC.

2) You don't "own" what's on the disc. You own the game you bought. You bought BioShock 2. Now, if you WANT the extra content, you can pay for it. Or don't.


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Comment #72 by Tufty
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:53:29 PM
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Oh, this is robbery, this is an outrage, blah, blah, disgraceful. Jesus Christ.

What's wrong with what they've done? You paid £40, you got your £40's worth of game play. I don't care if it's on the disc, if I buy it it won't take a long time to download.

Go 2K!!!


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Comment #73 by Buzz Killer81
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 01:59:56 PM
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@#63 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. That is the DUMBEST rant I've ever read on here before. Stay away from YOUR servers on Bioshock 2? Did you program them? Is one of THEIR servers located in your house? And saying that you'll strap on your Big Daddy suit and crush people?! Are you serious?! Hahahaha. Is the strapping on of a Big Daddy suit a threat or was it sexual in nature, cause it could go either way from the sounds of it. By the way how old are you to be threatening people by means of a video game anyway? I'm sorry that almost everyone on here gets pissed for being ripped off, where you are just another mindless robot that buys whatever these companies shit out for DLC even though you already paid for it on the damn disc dumbass!


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Comment #74 by Ax7 BEAST
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:01:08 PM
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ridiculous, these peole are a bunch of crooks!!!


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Comment #75 by THC BLUNTED
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:05:03 PM
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Doesnt suprise me, I am sure a lot of companies have done this before without anyone knowing. At least its a small mostly pointless DLC and not a shivering isles or something.


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Comment #76 by Cable Player
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:05:27 PM
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@#73 LOL its my birthday today. ive had a pretty crapday to tell the truth. But ive read your reply and that was some funny stuff!


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Comment #77 by 1337Pwner
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:06:27 PM
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OMG this subject is getting fucking OLD! Seriously people are really griping about this?! NO GODDAMNED DISC IS EVER FUCKING 100% FULL! The scope of a project contains the core game which is what you pay 60 dollars for and after the're done with that they start making DLC. If the game hasnt gone gold WHY THE FUCK NOT put the DLC on the disc and save the customers precious hard drive space. Fucking christ I must be the only one that sees the good side of this kind of DLC. You guys really need to think for once! You don't pay 60$ for a fucking disc you pay 60$ for what they think is the full experience of the CORE game. What you think is the core game is completely irrelevant, but that is how it goes. Expand the game with DLC if you want no one is forcing you.


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Comment #78 by Cable Player
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:07:09 PM
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sorry for the double post, but ill just add @#63.. you cannot compare COD to Bioshock. Yer you run around killing people, but you just cant compare them... Douchebag


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Comment #79 by Doctor Mandrake
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:09:15 PM
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The main reason this whole thing aggravates me is that it's totally misrepresented by 2K.

Take Need for Speed. You can pay to UNLOCK stuff like better cars and so forth, and it says just that. Content can be unlocked through regular play, but you can cough up a little more to get ahead of the crowd.

BioShock 2's content here is being called DLC, but you don't download any content - you unlock it. Can't download what's aready there.

If I buy a DVD, I don't think I should pay extra to see the end of the movie. It's all on the disk I paid for, so it's mine. Same with this crap - I already paid for the "DLC" content, whether I knew it or not. So asking me to pay for it again is ridiculous.


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Comment #80 by RareCoincidence
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:09:48 PM
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I think 2K have kicked themselves in the nuggets over this content.


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Comment #81 by SebbeG
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:13:08 PM
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@73: Jeez, taking things literally are we?

You're 28 and you interpret my post as something sexual? Virgin much?

Also, not a mindless robot. I just believe in supporting good games. 5 bucks is nothing even for me and I'm unemployed at the moment so I really don't see the point in complaining about this DLC. Go complain at the CoD map pack news instead. 1200 points for three new and two rehashed maps for a broken game. NOW THAT'S A RIPOFF.


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Comment #82 by Bullhorse
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:18:19 PM
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gotta love all the happy little consumers who post here. apparently some of you enjoy paying extra for stuff you should've already owned. or maybe you're just contrarian assholes.


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Comment #83 by KingSigy
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:24:34 PM
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If they really didn't want to split the community, they could have offered DLC for free. Lord knows 2 maps aren't worth $5.


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Comment #84 by bigdaddybruce44
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:30:32 PM
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@79 Bzzzzz. Wrong. Try again. You paid for BioShock 2. You got BioShock 2. That's the single player, the MP, etc. You knew what you were paying for before you bought it, and you got all that.

Comparing it to not seeing the end of the movie is completely silly and not in the least bit the same as what is happening here. If you buy a movie, you're buying the movie...the whole movie. What you're saying would be more akin to if you had to pay to play the last level of the game. You don't.


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Comment #85 by strawberry
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:31:47 PM
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL!!!! FAILLLLL


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Comment #86 by Saracin
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:39:55 PM
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I'm just wondering if there was a patch prior to the DLC becoming available. If there was then thats where the DLC was. For instance NC Soft would put up a patch that would be all of a new expansion, this way everyone could see the new stuff even if they couldn't access it and then when you updated your account to have access there would be no download, just a change in your status on their end.

So there's a chance that the DLC was included in a patch prior and that what you were downloading was an access key but in that case there's nothing improper going on.


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Comment #87 by DJ Sammy
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:40:29 PM
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i am sorry i dont understand there making us pay for stuff that we already have


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Comment #88 by DJ Sammy
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:43:03 PM
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come on its 400 points for stuff even if it is an unlock key its cheap at least


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Comment #89 by SebbeG
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:45:56 PM
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@87: with that logic: i own the original Perfect Dark, does that mean i can call up Rare and tell them they should give me the updated version for free? cause i already own the game on my cartridge.


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Comment #90 by yourmanmilk
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:49:27 PM
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it a good game but i am not paying for dlc thats on the disk fuck 2k they will learn the hard way


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Comment #91 by NawtyCawty
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:51:37 PM
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Who fuckin cares. Its only 400 points you tightwads. People pay 800 points for a crappy map on MW2 or Gears without complaining. Get a grip!


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Comment #92 by DerPoodle
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:54:17 PM
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#49 you really think that all DLC is prepared post launch? You all are upset because the content IS ON the disk, but the 2k rep gave reasoning for this. Whether they charge you for DLC is their business. Its only 5 bucks and you can still play with everyone if you decide not to buy it... come on


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Comment #93 by Bullhorse
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 02:55:31 PM
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"it's only 400 points!" how many fucking games do you people even have? some of us put a decent amount of money into this hobby already, and we own a lot of games. even if every game only had 400 points worth of dlc, it would add up to a LOT OF MONEY, and you know that most games have more expensive dlc than that anyway.

stop being uncle toms for these fucking companies, they don't give a SHIT about you, why should you defend them?


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Comment #94 by m00ney79
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:00:49 PM
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Most of you probably already have the game, but with the Games for Windows Live Sale going on right now, if you buy Bioshock 2 (on sale for $37.49) and the Sinclair Solutions pack (400 msp), then Microsoft gives you 800 msp for free! So, you actually come out on top. The DLC is free, and you get an extra 400 msp!


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Comment #95 by Doctor Mandrake
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:01:27 PM
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@84 - Genuine adult conversation and debate does not require sarcasm. Or y'know, game show buzzers.

I understand your point, but I fear you missed mine. This Testers Pack is being called DLC by 2K. As in, "downloadable content". If it is on the disk, it is not DLC. You cannot download the content if all you're paying for is an unlock key.

I will gladly pay for extraneous DLC. But if this is on the disk, then I technically already paid for it.

It is understandable that others are blindly happy to pay for extras on games, whether on the disk or not. And they are welcome to defend that position. But it lines up a dark path for other developers to do this, and suddenly we're paying for one disk three times over just to unlock stuff.


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Comment #96 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:05:07 PM
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the 5 bucks isn't the point, it's the point that we already paid for a full disk...this product was on the disk but they made us pay more to use it, it's the principle, if I'm paying $60 for a game then I expect to *gasp* get everything that's on the game.


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Comment #97 by ZingZitang
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:20:37 PM
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LOLOL. Its FIVE. DOLLARS. Crybabies wow. If you dont want it dont buy it. Who fkin cares. 5 dollars. Wow. oh and # 91. Its actually 1200 points for a shitty map pack for shitty mw2. If only every one were as mad at infinity ward . At least the bioshock devs know how to make a game.


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Comment #98 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:21:13 PM
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Also I'm a hypocrite. After being p.o'd from reading this, I went and played for 2 hours.


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Comment #99 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:22:22 PM
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#97- I think it's the people that already bought it before knowing this info that are upset. And as I said above, it's not about the little cost, it's the principle.


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Comment #100 by GeneralBoltz18
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:36:47 PM
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Why is everyone acting so upset??? It's only worth 400 msp, and 108 KB on top of that. If you don't want the download, then dont' download it. Geez...


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Comment #101 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:37:46 PM
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@#100 because most of us already bought it before this info came out. I can't go back in time and not download it. Does that answer your question?


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Comment #102 by bapae
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:41:29 PM
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What a rip off 2K... Seriously come on stop trying to rip people off if it's already on the game disk it should be free we already payed $60 for the disk so shouldn't we already own everything on the disk?


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Comment #103 by Tufty
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:43:04 PM
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@97 - I couldn't agree more!


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Comment #104 by ponypo2001
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:46:15 PM
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Gordon Brown should so get a job with 2k once he's voted out this general election.He'd fit right in there ;p


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Comment #105 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:48:24 PM
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Anyone upset by this should let the community know by going and rating it a one star on your console.


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Comment #106 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:48:49 PM
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the DLC, not the game.


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Comment #107 by rob753420
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:51:16 PM
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yea there doing it 2 alot of games now and its bull look at badcompany they split 4 maps into 2 different map packs that were on disc already bioshock doing it 2 soon they all be doing it time 4 the gamers 2 speak up


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Comment #108 by Shockwave
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 03:57:07 PM
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its crap like this that make me want to quit gaming all together now, that and over priced DLC'S !!!


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Comment #109 by stawman uk
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:01:55 PM
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game companies will does this shit constantly to make money.alot of you faggots say its only $5 its nothing man!! bullshit,m$ make every game company has to charge for dlc as rules by the sum called m$
do you not remember valve was gonna do dlc for l4d for free but m$ jumped in saying you cant release free dlc, so you had to pay for it like fucking mugs.
were pc had it for free
its simple just boycott all dlc for all games,fuck them all they got paid from the game and dlc is to rip off the mugs who pay for any crap put in front of them
vote with your wallets and dont buy it,prices will fall if they cant shift dlc


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Comment #110 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:05:28 PM
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yeah


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Comment #111 by Kronos1982
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:12:37 PM
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I bought this day one and have only played the first few chapters. It's just not as captivating as I expected. I'm going to try and finish the story then trade it in. Gonna pass on the multi and this DLC. I was so stoked about this game and it just hasn't screamed "Play Me!" since I got it.


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Comment #112 by tsydrown
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:24:53 PM
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@54. Who the hell do you think you are bringing into question people's employment status? I lost my job at the end of November and things are only just looking in my favour (hoping in the next 4-8 weeks to be back in work).

People make a big deal as it's content ON THE DISC, it's not something they've added after the game was released, they've cheated those who bought BS2 out of an additional £3-4.

Now you may think it's very little money, but bearing in mind I don't have a Credit Card and the minimum points purchase is 2100, around £17-ish. Quite simply, my family are more important than a piece of DLC. If I had the game I wouldn't buy it, not only because i'd feel robbed, but also because I don't have the money. You say it's only $5? That same amount of money keeps my Gas Metre goi


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Comment #113 by tsydrown
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:25:20 PM
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*cont*
going for 3-4 days! I can cook, wash, & keep warm with that money, or I can spend it on a none essential item? Hmmm, tough choice!

I rarely get wound up on Forum's, but the fact you brought up the integrity of unemployed people is down right disgusting!

Presumably you're in employment as you had a pop at the kids whos parents treat them to DLC? Good for you, we aren't all that fortunate! Regardless of what the government says, we're STILL in a recession!

Time for you to keep your god-damn mouth shut you arrogant prat . . .


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Comment #114 by wildeun
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:31:27 PM
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they are a company designed to make money. If they make no money they make no games.

People who bought the game got bioshock 2. You want extra, pay for extra.

You get what you pay for and you all got bioshock 2.

Stop moaning and wanting more for your money. let these guys keeping making money so they can keep making quality games.


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Comment #115 by WickedD365
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:39:24 PM
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400 points for something on a disc I already paid for, RIP OFF! Way to screw your customers 2K. Glad I didn't buy Bioshock 2.


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Comment #116 by Will Daniels
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:39:48 PM
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@111: I'm in the same boat. For some reason, the return to Rapture isn't as captivating as I had hoped. MP is not fun to me. But, I started the game, and I will play it through at least once for most of the achievements. (I'm going for the achievement for no vita chambers, but not for playing on hard).


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Comment #117 by Bullhorse
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:41:26 PM
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and for all the people saying "if you don't like it, don't buy it," that kind of goes without saying. i haven't bought it and i don't plan to, ever. i don't know a single person who plans to buy it. in fact, i've read that you can barely even find a game in bioshock 2's multiplayer, and it came out A MONTH AGO, so that should pretty much say it all.


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Comment #118 by tripleb2k
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:46:07 PM
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@91 those are NEW downloads NOT on the disc already. People do complain but this is a different situation smartguy

80 people have rated the DLC and it's still at 3 1/2 stars. something about that doesn't feel right.


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Comment #119 by MachineHero
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:53:31 PM
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wow, first IW and their 15 dollar maps, now Bioshock 2's on disc DLC stuff...any other downloadable controversies coming soon? maybe there will be a bug in the Mass Effect 2 DLC that turns your new party member into a member of the Village People


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Comment #120 by Dead Space Girl
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:56:40 PM
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@119

Uhhhh.... that would FUCKING RULE, what are you on? Shepard's new dance moves in ME2 suck, she totally needs to bust out Y-M-C-A!


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Comment #121 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 04:59:18 PM
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@117 not true, I find games easily.


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Comment #122 by Grossmesser
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:00:56 PM
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@91
It's dumbasses like you who give these companies the "ok" to keep screwing the consumers over. The companies see replies like yours and say, "Yeah we can rip em off even more b/c ppl will still buy it....the ppl who don't care just as long as the get DLC." Go jump off a fucking bridge. I've said it b4 and I'll say it again and again....WHEN WILL ENOUGH BE ENOUGH?!?! IF YOU KEEP BUYING "SHOULD BE INCLUDED ON THE DISC" DLC, THEN THEY WILL KEEP SELLING IT! Just stop buying the fucking DLC for about a year and watch what happens!


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Comment #123 by xXx3NIGM4xXx
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:04:09 PM
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Bioshock 2 online is fun to me; I don't take it seriously. It requires team work because rushing out to try and kill a Big Daddy is just giving the other team free kills. I've found this game to be laggy only when I'm using my wireless connection. And for those of you that don't like the 400 for this DLC, oh well. I bought it because I enjoy the game. Playing as the gay black guy makes me LOL so much, and the upgrades are helpful for players who don't have any of the other upgrades if they're too low a level. It's fun to play, and it's WAY less buggy than MW2 let me say. I like MW2, but to just have fun, Bioshock 2 satiates my needs.


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Comment #124 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:04:16 PM
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Like I said, make your voice heard, let others know who do not read internet news, if you are upset with this go rate the DLC a 1 star on your console.


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Comment #125 by Grossmesser
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:04:31 PM
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It's ppl that have have mommy and daddy buy the games and DLC for them that don't know any better and some grown adults who are irresponsible with their money. You guys are like, "I don't care if the-I can beat it in 20 mins and get 2 achievements that costs 1200 msp-should've been on the disc....I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!" You guys are pathetic and you actually are contributing to this outrageous DLC scamming that's going on. But as long as you get what you want, when you want it......fuck everyone else, huh? Typical.


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Comment #126 by Paynekiller
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:08:19 PM
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The content may be on the disc, but you can't access it. Therefore, you didn't already pay for it...

That's my two pence anyway.


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Comment #127 by JHHster
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:08:26 PM
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@36, That poor ass excuse holds no water. If you want to pay 5 bucks for every DLC that's a rip-off go ahead. Don't expect everyone to do so though just because we're not all homeless you dumbass.


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Comment #128 by zyxomma100
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:09:06 PM
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There've been a hundred other games that have released multiplayer DLC without splitting the player base. Quit making excuses.


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Comment #129 by x 19 Luke 87 x
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:12:28 PM
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It's like buying a cd and paying for the bonus tracks when you get home.


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Comment #130 by GILLHUHN
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:13:01 PM
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Ummm couldnt they just release a free downloadable update that allows you to play with people who purchase the dlc and make it required to play online the free version not the full version.


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Comment #131 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:13:10 PM
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@126 if companies use disk space for DLC, then that's less original game that will be on the disk, but that goes without saying. So if I take your side of the argument, we are paying more for less original game, because they could have used that space for more single player content.


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Comment #132 by Bullhorse
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:13:44 PM
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#126, you should've kept those pence in your pocket.


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Comment #133 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:14:40 PM
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#'s 129 & 130 I agree. 130 they did that with Juggernaut on Marvel Ult. Alliance 2.


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Comment #134 by GILLHUHN
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:14:57 PM
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Also @#6 your and idiot capcom did not ship RE5 versus already on the disc the download was to big and on top of that people have looked at the content on the RE5 disc and proven that versus was not on it so please stop spreading lies like a troll.


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Comment #135 by verybadloser
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:28:52 PM
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I simply don't understand why they just didn't leave the content off the disc and then released the SAME content for download. This would of removed any of the complaints that the content was already on the disc. Then pretended they were working on the dlc until the day it was released! They should of realised the unlock method would of pissed alot of people off.... silly 2k


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Comment #136 by FM880
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:29:08 PM
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Corporate shenanigans....douchebags


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Comment #137 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:31:00 PM
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@135 they answered that in the article, so it wouldn't split the player base


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Comment #138 by work u later
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:38:30 PM
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greed greed greed. luckily it picked up with the free points from M$ for the Orig. xbox cutting off, because i was very disappointed to find it was purely unlocking 1 extra weapon perk per gun which felt missing to begin with...


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Comment #139 by Autobot tom
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:39:38 PM
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thats daylight robbery


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Comment #140 by Belvik
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:40:59 PM
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It's only $5, doesn't affect your ability to play without it, and there's no achievements. Why are so many of you complaining about that? Be angry that they sold the unlock code before fixing the freezing issue(it froze on me 4 time over 2 hours today). I'm glad it wasn't originally open or I'd be spending more time grinding to 50. I'm sitting at like 18.5 hours of multiplayer and 50% till 40 and would probably be 40 already if it didn't freeze or hosts drop out constantly (I assume they are freezing and not leaving on purpose most of the time).


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Comment #141 by Almighty Tubsta
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:42:00 PM
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Technically, when you buy a game, you don't OWN the game, you own a license to use the software. So the companies can do what they like, when they like and there is jack all we can do about it.

I don't like, so I wouldn't buy it (if I had BS2).

I think this first happened with Beautiful Katamari which wasn't just one pack, but all of their DLC and more expensive too.


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Comment #142 by wyte
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 05:56:13 PM
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i'm not going to download the add on content. no achievements and it really doesn't add much. i found it odd that the game didn't update at all when it came out and i can still see all the new multiplayer characters online. they probably had it on the disc all along. coporate america milking the consumer for all they are worth once again. i am a true fan of bioshock, and it makes me a little angry.


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Comment #143 by verybadloser
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 06:05:46 PM
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@137 it has split the player base when some have 3 weapons mods compared to the others 2


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Comment #144 by kfitz9
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 06:09:19 PM
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Just because there is stuff already on your disc than you have to pay for doesn't mean the game is bad!
whatever dickcunt said that 'this saves me wasting my money on the game is a complete mofo'

I havn't got the game yet but hope to very soon!


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Comment #145 by The Destroyernatorer
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 06:21:14 PM
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Why was there not this much outrage when Resi 5 did it?


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Comment #146 by Tyger7
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 06:40:29 PM
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There wasn't any achievements so I don't mind


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Comment #147 by I Smoke Trees
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 06:44:04 PM
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that is pretty wack to be honest, not a huge deal imo. still plan on buying Bioshock 2 and playing the hell out of multiplayer...better than 1200 for new MW2 maps i think..


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Comment #148 by SXRXE
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 07:20:22 PM
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Only if I really cared about the MP I would even consider getting this lol

But I can get all the achievements with out it, so be it, I would never have noticed the new stuff anyway :P


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Comment #149 by Angrym0nkey
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 07:31:33 PM
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So glad I didn't buy this, it was completely not worth it. This really didn't seem that we needed to pay for stuff that didn't change anything in MP it was just one of those last minute things that didn't make it in time so now we had to pay for it. Didn't we learn anything from RE5's versus mode?


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Comment #150 by Juiceh
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 08:06:52 PM
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108kb is small enough to put into the update system you get when starting up the game. Alot of companies do this, bringing out content and giving pre-thought excuses for why they charge money for it. And all MS does about it, is accept it because a part of the 400 MS points goes to them.


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Comment #151 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 08:09:09 PM
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@148 there are about 8 multiplayer achievements so good luck on that one.


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Comment #152 by The Globalizer
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 08:16:44 PM
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People who have a problem with this are just...confused.


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Comment #153 by MrBubbles x360a
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 08:31:05 PM
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Lol i love how some people are having conversations via Comments. Pm anyone?


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Comment #154 by Bobby Blane3
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 08:33:47 PM
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Also surprised with so much backlash on this compared to RE5, which featured some of the worst multiplayer gaming in this generation. I know it sucks to buy content that's all ready there, but i'll give them props for not taking advantage of GS junkies and adding new achievements with it. You've got a choice to buy this or not, so why complain about something you would probably not have used much anyway


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Comment #155 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 09:02:27 PM
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What you guys don't understand, is most of us weren't given the information before we made our "choice" After the knowledge, sure you have a choice, but we bought this before knowing it was already purchased with our $60.


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Comment #156 by Bills4815162342
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 09:03:27 PM
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@153 you just had a convo with everyone here with that comment, so what's your point?


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Comment #157 by SpinoRaptor24
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 09:56:09 PM
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Glad I didn't purchase the game.


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Comment #158 by Steakslave
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:14:01 PM
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I was wondering how I was able to play with people who were using the bonus preorder characters...


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Comment #159 by Vicktacular
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:23:53 PM
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Why would you even pay for this in the first place? What is it anyway, a couple new characters and a pointless rank increase, and they're attempting to charge people for it. I love Bioshock but pity anyone who actually shelled out 400 M$ for this.


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Comment #160 by Dark August
Monday, March 15, 2010 @ 11:24:51 PM
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I agree 100% with all the people on on hear that say "if i buy something then i expect 2 be able access the whole thing" i think #129 said it best "its like buying a cd and having to pay to listen to the bonus track thats already on it l8r" There's also 2 other ppl you've got 2 blame a) MicroShite:for letting them get away with it and b) yourself:for not clocking a DLC is 108k! c'mon people a photo on a phone is about 1Mb! i always look at the file size for what i'm downloading even if its just 2 make sure i got room on my hardrive. I'm with Bills we need to boycott these motherfuckers! Isn't this against the trading standards act or sumt sumt???


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Comment #161 by Tstdamo
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 12:30:40 AM
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Still working on Borderlands DLC. :)

Dodged this bullet I guess...


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Comment #162 by ebrooch7
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 01:58:08 AM
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No, #160. These types of DLC are here to just piss people like you off.

Anyways, bought it. Don't care if it was already on the disc, worth 400 MS points. Actually, since I got the game for 50 dollars, it technically was free for me.


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Comment #163 by Skar46137
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 02:09:35 AM
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Bioshock multiplayer should have never been tacked on to the amazing single player game it is. It is just a way of trying to suck more money out of you, making you grind all the exp if you want to 100% the acheivements. Doesn't take a freaking rocket scientist to see that. Rental only just to spite them. >:) Yep, other people can be underhanded too. You get what you give.


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Comment #164 by ghostlymostly
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 02:51:39 AM
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to me the multiplayer could have been cut from the game, taking the space and time and putting that in the single player campaign. it worked for the first game, i've never had the need for a multiplayer then just like i don't have it no with the 2nd game.

like #163 said, it all about the money these days.

alot of games these days are short and have a broken or poor multiplayer


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Comment #165 by Muscle Blade
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 03:23:36 AM
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Im buying Metro 2033 just for the fact that they didnt add multiplayer. I like multiplayer games but only some games need mp.


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Comment #166 by Sol76
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 04:23:22 AM
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What a cheap way to cash-in !!
Next step ? You buy a disc for 60$ with only the first level unlocked. If you want to play further you have to buy a unlock code for every level for 5 bucks each!!
Real easy to add another 50$ to the initial purchase.

Crap 2k !!!! I hope you got stuck with 1000000 unsold copies!


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Comment #167 by APassingShadow
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 04:46:24 AM
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What ever happened to FREE DLC?? #5 summed this whole thing up


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Comment #168 by tpb
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 06:50:00 AM
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I was disappointed withthe game to begin with - its just a carbon copy of the original... but now this really is pathetic...


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Comment #169 by NerfTurbo
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 08:22:19 AM
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I think to some extent all DLC is already on the disc. The Bioshock 2 community is now officially as lame as the Modern Warfare community, and all they had to do was add a fucking deathmatch.


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Comment #170 by blkalleykat
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 08:31:12 AM
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It'll probably just come to the point where companies will start adding dummy files to games so DLC sizes are bigger just to fool us of non disc content


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Comment #171 by ERIKDOTCOM
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 09:18:53 AM
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2K just ruined Bioshock's reputation...


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Comment #172 by a dying animal
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 11:44:57 AM
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No wonder they made the DLC so cheap. I can't believe they would do this.


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Comment #173 by ebrooch7
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 01:29:45 PM
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#166,

You obviously didn't read your post before sending it.

If you think that anyone will buy a sixty dollar game with only 1 hour of content, then your fantasy world must be pretty depressing.


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Comment #174 by Dark August
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 07:32:37 PM
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@173 ebrooch
Didn't piss me off i wasn't stupid enough to buy it.I just agree with what people are saying.


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Comment #175 by samjustsam
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 11:46:26 PM
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well its only 5 dollars. but i didnt expect a thing like this from 2k tho. its not the first time there has been content that was already on the disc and companies wanted you to pay extra to unlock it. i have bought content before that apparently seemed to have such a small size that it had to be that i was just unlocking content on the disc. this has gotten outta hand with the dlc stuff tho. the companies want more money but they are somewhat hurting because of the huge used and trading games market. also with rentals and gamefly. they arent making as much as they are use to. i just wonder why 2k is taking so much heat for this. maybe cuz this is unusual behavior for them. this content should have came via a code with new copies of the game only. wich bioware is starting a trend with alre


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Comment #176 by samjustsam
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 11:54:55 PM
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already. so if your gonna complain about it, complain at yourself as well if you rent or buy used games. try buying more new games insted of buying a new one after you have already rented 5 or have bought some used games. if more ppl bought games new and didnt rent you wouldnt see this kinda stuff happening. also you might see a decrease in a new games price. they may go back to being 50 dollars or 40 new insted of 60.


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Comment #177 by Balamatrix
Sunday, March 21, 2010 @ 05:11:19 AM
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they really need to stop doing this.Im glad that it doesnt split the player base and all because sometimes its hard enough to find a match as it is, it should work like fable 2 does you can download the expansion free but you cant use any of the new costumes or level up unless u buy it at least.paying for crap already there isnt right.I mean the game is 60 bux for crying out loud and you know its gonna sell over a million copies easy.


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Comment #178 by Azazel_Valkyrie
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 @ 03:12:11 PM
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I don't see the big deal here. What's the difference between paying for DLC that you download, and paying for DLC that u don't download. People are saying that it is included on the price of the game, uh no the game is $60. Which means you didn't pay for it as the price would then be like $65.

If it wasn't on the disc and was just released a few months later digital only what's the damn difference? If you want to continue to level up and play the mp then buy and its worth it. Very simple, Dammit people always want stuff handed to them....


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Comment #179 by snake2895
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 @ 06:07:15 PM
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DLC crap should be free anyways like maps,costumes and any common thing which use to be free in games before micro$haft popularized this system.

Things that expand the game however like for example the GTA IV expansions and Oblivion shivering isles are only worth paying for.

Only people who stick up for paying for content(IE dragon age and mass effect stuff) is fanboys.


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Comment #180 by Burning Pandama
Thursday, March 25, 2010 @ 02:00:27 AM
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I rather pay for this that 1200 for mw2 maps


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Comment #181 by Funland47
Thursday, March 25, 2010 @ 11:08:33 AM
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They should have it available since day on like Battlefield
Bad Co.2. Or try like mass effect a Sinclair Solution Station with game add ons.....


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Comment #182 by Revenga
Thursday, March 25, 2010 @ 04:49:07 PM
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All you guys want is to get it for free, because it happens to be on the disc. For me, it doesn't matter if it's virtually in my possession or not. If you look at it that way, all stuff on your HDD are 1s and 0s. When you delete some, or add some, only these numbers change. So in theory, you have all DLC already in your possession, you're only not having the right combo's of 1s and 0s.

It's just a choice made by the developers, and from what I understand, a fairly good one. You aren't FORCED to buy it, now THAT would be lame.


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Comment #183 by Glenchin
Friday, March 26, 2010 @ 04:33:27 PM
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Doesn't really affect me as my connection sucks to play MP, but I'd be upset nonetheless


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Comment #184 by crunchb3rry
Sunday, March 28, 2010 @ 12:43:57 AM
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The way I see it: the $59.99 MSRP should cover the cost of everything on the disc already. Otherwise sell games cheaper so the bullshit DLC fees all add up to $60. I'm tired of every game wanting upwards of $100 for the full package. What the fuck is this in my entertainment center, a Neo-Geo or an Xbox 360?


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Comment #185 by TopBadge
Friday, April 02, 2010 @ 01:11:39 PM
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I refuse to the game full stop now


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Comment #186 by Fatehehhhh
Saturday, April 10, 2010 @ 06:53:00 PM
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@1: Robbery... THIS-- IS-- SPARTAAAAAAA!! *kicks all of the 2K workers that created Bioshock 2 off a cliff*


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Comment #187 by ACDC LIVE
Saturday, April 10, 2010 @ 10:05:36 PM
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Everyone who is on this page complaining about how 2K wants to rip everyone off and how everyone should boycott DLC.....SHUT UP! If you don't like the idea of paying for stuff on the disc then DONT BUY IT! its as simple as that. That's what im gonna do and im not gonna cry about 2K doing what every company in the world does which is to TRY TO MAKE MONEY.


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Comment #188 by samjustsam
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 @ 02:28:58 AM
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if u pay 60 dollars for a game u should get everything that is on that disc....BOTTOM LINE. otherwise its a sham and a rip off. that doesnt mean i wont buy the dlc. but since i payed the full 60 dollars for the disc i have every right to complain about it if i want.


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Comment #189 by Optomistic
Saturday, August 20, 2011 @ 05:27:59 AM
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Rip off


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