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EA Takes Its Project Ten Dollar Program To EA Sports, Announces Online Pass
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EA Sports recently announced that they would be taking forward the company's initiative to combat the used game market - Project Ten Dollar - and using it in their upcoming sports titles.

The "Online Pass" follows a similar trend to EA Games' Project Ten Dollar in almost all respects - it comes with new versions of the game and if you don't buy it new, you can still buy it for $10.

Unlike its EA Games counterpart though, the Online Pass actually offers a trial of 7 days for those who didn't purchase the game new, but also, it appears that it's the first time they'll be holding back more substantial aspects of the game, such as online multiplayer.

An EA rep told Joystiq that although they were decided on a game-by-game basis, the Online Pass could grant access to "basic online multiplayer, as well as group/league features, roster and playbook updates, downloads of user-created content (like Photo Game Faces) and tournament support."

Ironically enough, this is a movement that used-game giant, GameStop, actually supports as they also announced that they would be selling point cards for the service in stores.

This initiative will start kick off with Tiger Woods '11.


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Comment #1 by Suplemental
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:18:21 AM
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Hmmm nice and unique :S

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Comment #2 by Gaddmeister
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:25:22 AM
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So how long does it take before they start doing this for shooters like Battlefield and such?

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Comment #3 by Barad
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:25:33 AM
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pretty cool

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Comment #4 by Agent Mantis
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:25:44 AM
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holding back online features doesn't reward those who bought it new, it punishes those who didn't.

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Comment #5 by TalTsinth
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:25:53 AM
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Now this would be great if the price of games was not so high already that the majority of us have to buy them second hand. So now instead of buying a full game we get a 'restricted' game with features disabled because we dint pay full price?

EA, that is a disgusting move. I supported Project Ten Dollar, purely as it was a great idea, bit of extra DLC for full price, but restricting the features? Disgusting! Was buying Tiger and Fifa, think not depending on what exactly they restrict.

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Comment #6 by Lonsta DaMonsta
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:27:38 AM
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This... is... terrible.

EA has already had major downfalls in the past five years... but this is their final downfall for me. Such a shame...

I'll always remember the good times, though. :(

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Comment #7 by chrisjp35
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:30:02 AM
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Don't we already pay £40 a year just for the privelige to play our games online?! And now EA want to charge us extra for buying preowned. The reason people buy preowned is because they don't have the money for full price, so essentially EA are now trying to leech money off those (like me) who can't affort to buy full price every time. Why pay for live when developers are going to hold back online content!?!

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Comment #8 by chrisjp35
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:30:51 AM
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@2 already did it with battlefield with the VIP codes

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Comment #9 by jtr1gg3r
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:31:58 AM
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if I buy fifa 11 brand new this year do I get online then??

because if not EA are twats

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Comment #10 by TOBY DA THUG
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:34:44 AM
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dont like this idea... not in the slightest.

@9 yeah if you buy it new, your fine. Its when you buy second hand your gunna have a problem. well a $10 more expensive problem anyway!

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Comment #11 by TalTsinth
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:36:54 AM
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@8 They did not quite do it with BF BC2 as that was DLC content, this new idea 'On-line Pass' is talking about restricting rosters, updates and even multi-player itself in the EA Sports line. Most definitely not the same as holding back some DLC content like in Mass Effct 2, BFBC 2 or even Saboteur.

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Comment #12 by Mr Snipey
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:39:03 AM
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Yeah this is going too far. I think I'm going to have to excuse myself from EA Sports lineup this year.

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Comment #13 by Wicelow
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:39:13 AM
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Really glad I'm not an EA sport fan !
That move is just so wrong...

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Comment #14 by Buzz
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:40:36 AM
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It's a shame I was beginning to defend EA on console based gaming, as there were releasing very good games and not just rehashes of the same old sports games (although they still do that) but this is definately very money grabbing to be restricting the online services.

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Comment #15 by Vigor
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:41:51 AM
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Destroy the rental & 2nd hand market, kick some retailer butt.

Loving it!

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Comment #16 by BulletMagnet Uk
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:49:03 AM
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I rent games that are not day one purchases.

Doing this means I can see whether or not the games worth buying before parting with my cash.

How will this work with rentals? Will the rental disks come with a code or will rentals have restricted content?

Surely more people than just me use a rental scheme as an extended demo? If so, wont restricting content on these mean the company loses sales in the long run?

From a business standpoint I fully understand the idea, but thats only if they allow for rentals to be unrestricted. Otherwise they may be benefiting with the pre-owned market, but offsetting those benefits with reduced turnover.

Just my 2 pence ;-)

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Comment #17 by Br0k3nSw0rd1984
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:50:43 AM
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Are the people supporting this complete dumb? This isn't rewarding you for paying full price for a game, most of us do that with AAA titles anyway, it's punishing people who use there free-will to choose and wait for a title to be cheaper or rent it. Think of it like this, if this happens, basically now everyone who buys a EA title brand new will be paying a extra $10 per game just to play it online, that's awful as it is, but even more so with the quailty of EA's serves on average! I Normally buy Fifa yearly, Tiger Woods bi-yearly, then all the good EA shooters etc... if this actually happens they can get fucked, it's a step too far.

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Comment #18 by brodieman36
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:51:36 AM
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This is simple. Just don't buy an EA game.

Then again, that's probably really hard to do nowadays. Its just hilarious that people bitch and moan, then fork out dough for the product they were complaining about.

You vote with your wallet.

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Comment #19 by Sabian187
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:57:01 AM
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It's not going to be retroactive penalty. It will start with Tiger Woods '11.
Any older games that don't already have the "buy used and you pay", like Mass Effect 2 Cerberus Program and the free DLC gifts with a new copy of Dragon Age: Origins, will not make you pay for buying used.
A lot of future titles will however so buy new if you want access to the free stuff and full online capabilities.
This really doesn't effect me much. I only buy games I "know" I'm going to like.
Like Red Dead Redemption and EA new shooter Medal of Honor coming out in October.

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Comment #20 by dreamweaver1984
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:58:04 AM
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i do vote with my wallet, i keep my local blockbuster in business.

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Comment #21 by vegetable lasagna
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:59:25 AM
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Cocksuckers. They shut down 08 & 09 Tiger servers today making those achievements well shut down the 06 servers years ago (()% of those achievements were online) they want me to pay $10 to play games after I pay $50 to be a gold member? Fuck EA.

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Comment #22 by Patto
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:05:58 AM
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Coudn't have said it better myself.

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Comment #23 by McEmrah
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:08:09 AM
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Was thinking to buy Fifa 11, not anymore. bye bye EA, die facing in to your own sh#t now!!

Well EA lovers who think EA is better with Free DLC with BC2 can suck on it now! Well actually they won't as they love payin full price, they only have to find more people like themselves as we won't be playing any EA games!

"EA it's in the game" can be changed to "EA, it's in your wallet"

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Comment #24 by Kahless34
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:24:09 AM
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I think you're all a little arrogant about this.

EA as a business need to make money to continue, they do this by making a margin on new games, the only people who make money on secondhand or rental are the stores who offer these services.

EA are trying to claw back some of the money that the stores are making by selling rights to online play. The money from 'new' sales is what funds the servers so I see no problem with charging those who have avoided contributing to it.

A pre-owned game does not fund game developers, it slowly destroys the industry and drives prices up, even if a few more people bought new it would eventually start to reduce the prices.

I'm not generally an EA fan, I'm still pi**ed about Army of 2 40th Day glitches, but this is about business.

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Comment #25 by SHIMA 41
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:36:59 AM
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wow that sucks :( good job i don't play sports titles. Good move by EA to make all the money they can though, they have some clever people working there. But like i said, it sucks.

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Comment #26 by TrueBlueAutoX
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:39:00 AM
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I feel that if EA made games that weren't always rehashes, didn't have flaws, and were quality games... they wouldn't have an issue with people purchasing day 1 instead of used.

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Comment #27 by Tim 13
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:48:51 AM
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I seriously worry about Respawn's future at EA. Those guys are too good for the fuck-ups at EA.

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Comment #28 by Philosopher
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:50:23 AM
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I heard that SKATE 3 alredy have restriction on downloading and uploading game content. You can download and upload stuff only if you have a cjde that coming with new game.

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Comment #29 by ooh ahh mcgrath
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:54:54 AM
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so if i buy fifa 11 brand new i can then only get the full online features on my home xbox?i cant use it on my brothers or my sisters or take it round to my friends house n play online?thats FUCKED UP!!!

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Comment #30 by ViVaGordito4evr
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:54:58 AM
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The whole "it's business" argument is so lame. EA makes plenty of money and their greedy, money-grabbing tactics are just a big "eff you" to consumers. Look at a publisher like THQ - they don't pull any of this stuff yet they are doing fine and have generated plenty of "goodwill" (There you go smarty-pants: a "business" term!) among gamers. EA consistently does things to destroy any "goodwill" they may have ever had with gamers. And I do vote with my wallet as I haven't bought a "new" EA game in 2 or 3 years. EA has made this even easier by running around and shutting down online servers for some games that have only been out for a year or less! Now I know even better to avoid buying even some EA games used. The whole "it's a business" argument just doesn't hold up; by the way, if "

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Comment #31 by silentbob0
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:03:50 AM
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This really does suck. There will be less people playing online than ever on these E.A sports games from now on. The people who buy the game new will be getting screwed too, as it won't take long for it to become difficult to find decent matches online.

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Comment #32 by RTRD_Mayhem
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:09:45 AM
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EA is one of the premier Gaming Company's, and now they want even MORE money!?!?!? Fucking Punks. seriously, who ever thought of this idea has no idea what they are doing. out of all the ways they could make more money, this is the worst of them. You want fucking money EA? Then come out with more DLC with Achievos. that'll go like fucking hot-cakes!!!! IDIOTS!

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Comment #33 by Jordbrett
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:11:22 AM
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Wow this is insane. It's one thing to hold back a bonus mode for a month but to completely restrict usage is ping the wrong way with this. Now either buy it full price or buy it used for 5 dollars less at gamestop and then pay 10 for the online?! If you really want to do this sell 2 versions budget and full.

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Comment #34 by ENVY021
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:15:42 AM
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They already did it with battlefield. It's called VIP access.

You're mad because you don't want to pay the producers/developers of the game? They want to make the money, they don't want gamestop to take all of it. I support this fully

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Comment #35 by l.maciver
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:19:01 AM
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I will like to remind people and EA that the TEN DOLLAR PROJECT wont work thanks to simple consumer thinking. They want to kill the pre-owned marker, simple answer is make better games instead of this year by year thing. And when the game gets to lets say TEN DOLLERS you can simply buy the content. Now this just sounds like its holding back stuff that should be in the game. And do NOT close servers after the game is released like you did with LoTR: Conquest.

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Comment #36 by TVC613
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:24:42 AM
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@27 I agree 100%. I was actually supporting ea in helping them fuck over activision, but now I don't know.

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Comment #37 by newbsicle
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:26:09 AM
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The free market is coming for you EA.

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Comment #38 by SengIV
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:35:58 AM
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Reread it. Buy it new and you don't pay an extra ten dollars. Jesus Christ. You need to not attack EA before you even know what you're talking about.

I support this 1000%.

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Comment #39 by Kahless34
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:37:47 AM
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You seem to think that games are expensive because thats how developers want it. When in fact the price goes up because they have to cover costs because fewer people are paying for it new, meaning a smaller and smaller share of the price goes to them.

The second hand market only serves stores!

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Comment #40 by Justin Case
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:44:07 AM
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Are you kidding me?

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Comment #41 by newbsicle
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:46:55 AM
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@#39 I remember reading somewhere that a little game called call of duty: modern warfare 2 had sold over a billion dollars in merchandise and games within a few months of it's release. Obviously people are buying the games they want new.

Perhaps EA should take a look at the quality of the games they create. Almost none of their yearly sports games are intuitive in any way from previous years.

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Comment #42 by McEmrah
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:53:24 AM
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I do not buy 2nd hand games from stores, you can not find the best price at stores, go online and swap games with people or just buy it.

Believe me no shop in the Uk can beat the deal made 1 on 1 with the game owner.

I bought BC2 for 10 Euros, any shop sells that cheaper?

EA can suck on it!! as there are many great developers happy to serve all of the gamers not only the full price lovers! I admit 60 Euro for a game is waste of money, I buy them totally new from only between 20-30 euros.

EA come back and suck on it!!! First one was not enough!!

Yes, I feel sorry for the guys of Respawn, they must be sorry now too. Sad...

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Comment #43 by McEmrah
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:54:13 AM
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@41 Agree with you 100%

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Comment #44 by Buckmarley155
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:56:13 AM
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fuck EA like they don't get enuff money from us as it is

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Comment #45 by Sabian187
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:56:27 AM
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Not all of you, but most of you are a bunch of whiny pussys.
You buy the game new from the EA you get everything. Plus free DLC.
You screw EA out of the money they deserve by making a product that you want, because you want to buy the game cheaper.
Buy it new at $60 or buy it used at $50 to $55 and pay 10 bucks more for online and even more if you want the DLC.
Well it ain't cheaper now is it bitches?
Go EA!

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Comment #46 by crabbycrabcrab
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:01:32 AM
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What a Joke...

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Comment #47 by elmattadorsp
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:13:08 AM
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the developer doesn't make money on the new game either, the publisher does. the developer already got paid to make the game. they might get royalties or incentives based on sales.

also if EA kills used games they are also in turn killing another way people pay for their games. if used games aren't good business then people can't sell their old games to pay for new ones anymore effectively hurting potential sales. they are only hurting themselves in the long run.

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Comment #48 by cool4joe
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:18:32 AM
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If you are buying a game new for $60, like most new games that people want, it is fine. Those random games you wait to drop in price to about $30 with the extra $10 is only up to $40. It really isn't that big of a deal and if you can't afford it, just play the singleplayer like when multiplayer didn't exist.

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Comment #49 by gerowniko
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:20:39 AM
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Nice, we all know how EA loves to throw some annoying online achievements in their games and how hard it is to find people on older games. Because of this stupid new plan to make more money the online community will shrink even more, meaning nobody plays their old games online so that they can close their servers which makes those annoying achievements unobtainable and kill the multiplayer.

I hate you EA, because of this even more than Activision!:@
I always try to buy new games if the price isn't much higher than a used game, but if the game happens to be from EA, I will always go for the used game. Unless I really need online on those games, but that's not really the case for me.

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Comment #50 by ritchie brown
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:23:10 AM
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Greedy fucking cunts!

Shops should refuse to sell EA games.

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Comment #51 by Carlmundo
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:28:16 AM
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Paying even more to play online?

This is madness.

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Comment #52 by Aussie27Legend
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:57:24 AM
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Oh fuck, now your just as bad as Activision.


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Comment #53 by ViNyLek
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 09:09:38 AM
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Don't play sports games too much anymore but I think it's good news for ppl who do...

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Comment #54 by goothgone
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 09:19:11 AM
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WTF. Im already paying 70$ cdn to play online

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Comment #55 by its delicious
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 09:27:58 AM
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This wouldn't be necessary in an all-digital age, but until we get there, this penalty for buying a used disc is lame. Paying $10 to unlock all the content already on the disc is exactly like pre-release DLC.

The market will respond appropriately; where a game that would have sold for $15 used will now sell for only $5. But it'll really put a hurt on trade-in programs and people who don't want to clutter their shelves. I'm surprised at the number of people in the comment thread who support this; what are you going to do with the EA games you get all the achievements for now?

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Comment #56 by ponypo2001
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 09:34:31 AM
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So you have to fork out extra for online if you buy second hand or rent and then after 3 weeks they shut the fucking servers down anyway to make way for the next sports game that is identical to the previous 50. EA are the biggest thieves out there. What a crock of shit.

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Comment #57 by Ackis
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 09:37:29 AM
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Just throwing this out there. Since online multiplayer will now be DLC, does that mean you won't have multiplayer achievements now in the first 1k/1k?

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Comment #58 by Zombiedrd
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 09:39:51 AM
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Those also hurt are renter like me. I can only afford maybe 1-2 games a year, so I rent most everything. When other companies follow this, guess I'll be playing very little games anymore.

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Comment #59 by DJSHYNE21
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 09:52:46 AM
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@ #45, I hope you are being sarcastic bro....not everyone can afford to shell out $60 when a game comes out and now beacause people want to save a bit of money and buy used games you are going to penalize them? This is a dick move on EA's part....

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Comment #60 by J BARNSLEY
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:03:24 AM
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I buy fifa new each year so it wont affect me, but this is just plain stupid. So what if people buy games pre owned its not a crime, its the way games work, & making people pay for their shitty online servers is a joke. All DLC should be made free for people who buy a new brand new game, although i still wouldnt play ultimate team for fifa even if it is free.

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Comment #61 by Dathcha
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:04:45 AM
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I wonder how this will work for households... Me and my girlfriend live together and share the XBox and the games, but have sepperate accounts... Does this now mean that whoever inputs the code while logged into their profile can play it fine online, but the other one (on the same console) needs to spend another 10 dollars?

If so, I can see quite a few households be annoyed when they buy a title for their 3 kids and only one ends up able to play online unless they spend another 2x10 dollars for the other kids...

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Comment #62 by BuddyRusso
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:05:25 AM
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For those of you upset at this, brace yourself. Everybody is going to do this eventually.

Also, EA doesn't care about those of you that rent or buy used... they make zero from you anyway. Complain all you want, it doesn't matter.

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Comment #63 by Kyanite
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:10:11 AM
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#24 said it best, and everything I was going to say would now just be an echo of his statement.

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Comment #64 by dizzydogman
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:17:29 AM
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I really don't know where to stand on this point!I buy most of my games new unless im not sure about them,then i gamefly!But the sad truth is more and more retailer's are jumping on the used bandwagon so i guess this was a good decision?But for the ppl that do pay full price finally a reason to pay full price!!!

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Comment #65 by
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:27:04 AM
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is this happening to ps3 users as well?

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Comment #66 by Swapzism
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:31:40 AM
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Sooooo....the rental business just took another shot to the face.

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Comment #67 by Dejackso
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:59:37 AM
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Why is this an issue for anyone? I buy games both new and preowned, but I always research to see what is in my game before I make any purchase. You aren't buying the rights to everything on the are buying the game as they sold it.

Is the DLC on the disc but locked? Well, it isn't being sold as part of the initial price. It is pretty easy to find out when that happens and you can decide to buy it or not, but you don't have a "right" to the content.

Pre-release DLC isn't evil either. You can choose to not buy a product that has it, but it wasn't meant for the game at the time of sale. You may want it, but you don't deserve it.

When you make a purchase, you are buying only what they are selling at that time. If you don't think it is fair, then don't buy it. Th

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Comment #68 by SN1P3RSTU113
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:59:47 AM
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so its pretty much like the cerberus network and battlefields VIP pass.... oh joy -_-"

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Comment #69 by Dejackso
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:59:59 AM
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That is a perfectly acceptable alternative.

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Comment #70 by THC BLUNTED
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:12:21 AM
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Wow, what an ass rape. EA is mad that people arnt buying their games brand new, so they need to punish people that want to buy them used. I sure lost a lot of respect for EA on this one. Will try to avoid buying their games if I can.

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Comment #71 by TDC333
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:14:57 AM
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This could all be avoided if places like Gamestop would send a portion of their used game profits to developers.

They pay you $1-25 and then slap a high price on it the second it is in their possession and all of it is pure profit. This is utter BS and why I rarely by used games unless they are dirt cheap that way it minimizes the used game companies profits.

You will never catch me buying a used game that is $5 less that a new copy. That extra $5 means the developers get their money and can produce more games that hopefully kick ass.

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Comment #72 by Linguo TGR
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:15:38 AM
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Am I alone in being angry that they say they give you free DLC when in fact it is disc locked, and not downloaded? As in they are putting work into not letting you access what you bought unless you pay them more. I mean the way it stands now you cant rent BFBC because you get dropped from lobbies if they are on a disc locked map when matches end.
Also, didn't steam do some study finding that by charging half price for a game they were able to make more money than if they had charged full price by selling more in the primary market and limiting second hand sales? (i.e. 90% of a games cost is developing the game, not putting it on discs and in boxes)

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Comment #73 by Dejackso
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:22:37 AM
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"As in they are putting work into not letting you access what you bought unless you pay them more. "

The simple fact is that you didn't buy that part of the game, because they weren't selling it at the time (which is why it was locked). They are giving it away for free (or $10) later. There's no reason to be pissed.

"Also, didn't steam do some study finding that by charging half price for a game they were able to make more money than if they had charged full price by selling more in the primary market and limiting second hand sales? "

That very well could be true. EA should probably do some research if they want to maximize profits.

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Comment #74 by pauly_27
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:24:29 AM
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And then companies wonder why people pirate games.

Yet another way to screw over the genuine game buying public.

Also, @#24: You think more people buying new games will push prices down? Not a chance.

Just because of this, I will no longer buy an EA game new on principle alone. Even if 1% of occasional new game buying consumers like myself feel the same (which I'm sure there will be) this might actually do them more harm in the long run.

It wouldn't be so bad if they actually made these yearly update sports games worth buying new in the first place.

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Comment #75 by PurPleHaYYzz
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:35:45 AM
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I too think if they need to make more money then they should work out a way where the game stores and the game rental stores make less profit. Charge the people who can afford such as the multi-million dollar corporations rather than the gamers work hard and can barely afford to buy one game at the starting price of $60. Since I buy pretty much all my EA games used I'll have to give EA a big FUCK YOU on all products.

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Comment #76 by JesusBread
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:48:17 AM
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@ Kahless - You have really got to stop making it sound like EA or any other video game developer out there is in financial trouble. They fucking aren't. EA already makes a killing off of their Madden franchise every year plus all their other sports games. EA is seeing CONSTANT positive growth. EA hasn't lost moeny in years. More people aren't "shifting" to used games at all. That's just bullshit. It's just EA that wants to squeeze another $10 out of the consumer.

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Comment #77 by JesusBread
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:50:44 AM
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Forgot to mention. Don't try to use EA's falling stock as an excuse for this bullshit either. Virtually every company was hit in the recession so it's not surprise they were hit hard, but they didn't lose money in the slightest.

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Comment #78 by sonicdevron
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:01:44 PM
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I'm happy to see people finally realizing how much bullshit EA is about. You guys seemed to think they were so much better then Activision with their 15 dollar map packs, but now, it seems EA is just another money grubbing company.

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Comment #79 by Kahless34
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:03:15 PM
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@76 & 77 You clearly don't understand the stock market, if a company loses share value it has lost money, if fact it will have lost a lot of money, but contrary to your suggestion I would use that as a reason to do this.

As I stated in my first post @24, Used gamers contribute no money to the upkeep of the online servers, why shouldn't they be charged for the use of something they intend to use. If they have no interest in online play then it costs them nothing!

At the end of the Day EA is a business that wants and needs to make money, as used gamers contribute nothing to them, they don't care what your opinion is, more over, they clearly don't care what most peoples opinion on them is, see AO2, BF:BC, etc.

So in the spirit of I don't really care that much, let's just agree that E

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Comment #80 by plimpdaddy
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:11:07 PM
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Do some of you read? If you buy the game new you get this for "FREE" its only if you get it on the second hand market that it will cost you after the trial. And if you rent from blockbuster or someplace you should have it taken back before your trial is up anyways. There just trying to make money somewhere because they make no money from there games when someone buys used from someplace like gamestop.

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Comment #81 by Dale Denton
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:20:06 PM
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I don't agree with this practice, but I do understand it.

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Comment #82 by solus909
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:25:25 PM
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Every company will be doing this within a couple of years, EA has simply broken the ice.

In the past, there would be one disc, one payment, done deal. It didn't matter if the distributor didn't make money off any resell. Now that online gaming is so huge though, the retailer gets all the profit off the resell but the game distributor/developer is paying for and servicing the online component while getting zero compensation from a large percentage of people playing THEIR game. You can't develop games or a business model in this environment.

I have no problem with this new practice EXCEPT I believe for sports games especially they should compensate the people who DO buy their games new by hacking 10 dollars off the retail price.

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Comment #83 by iBean
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:26:42 PM
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Don't like the idea, but companies like EA don't see the money made from trade-ins so you can understand from a business view that this is a necessary stance they have to take. Other companies will probably join in.

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Comment #84 by litepink
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:40:53 PM
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I think #80 is the only person who eluded to the fact that there is a 7 day free trial for this online pass thing. This whole thing is rotten, yes, but you have 7 days to take full advantage of MP

I think what's going to happen is that this will ruin the trade-in or resell value. Sports games already sink drastically in value as the months go by. Now that people have to pay $10 to play online, the demand for a used copy will sink and Gamestop will have to slash prices, which in turn will hurt if oyu want to trade it in.

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Comment #85 by THC BLUNTED
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:41:49 PM
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First of all the free market will sort all of this out in the end.

People on EAs side act like they are getting screwed in the whole process. This happens in almost every business, people buy things new then sell them used. I dont hear car companies bitching because of used car lots and that they have to design & test cars out of their pocket, while the used car lot doesnt.

The fact is that it all matters on the quality of the product. If it is good people will buy it, play it, enjoy it, and probably keep it. When you have a shitty product less people buy it and sell it used. It seems EA is selling half ass products.

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Comment #86 by Infomouse
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:54:08 PM
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I pay for Xbox live so I don't have to pay for individual games' online services. Fuck you EA!

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Comment #87 by MOYFplox
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:01:49 PM
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I agree with #86, just because I don't buy brand new games all the time, I have to pay to go online with a game? What a fucking con, EA are just money grabbing bastards.

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Comment #88 by NoMaD DiSTuRBeD
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:15:51 PM
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1 day I hope people get tired of these companies trying to screw everyone and it bites them in the ass.

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Comment #89 by bLaKgRaVy
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:21:09 PM
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Whatever happened to Microsoft's rule about the full 1000 points are attainable out of the box? There's no stipulation saying it has to be a new game. With EA doing this, if there are online achievements, you cannot attain the full 1000 points out of the box if you buy used. Why isn't MS stepping up and addressing this issue?

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Comment #90 by lonewolf0913
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:22:01 PM
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Personally I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal about this anyway...
It's EA...
By the time the used games are available at a reasonable price - and I'd agree with previous posts... $5 saving by buying is not a real savings...

So by the time the game drops to 1/2 price price
the servers will be closed anyway.
So whether you pay for it or not, online won't be an option anyway.

Problem solved.

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Comment #91 by Pooly93
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:37:24 PM
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So wait.
I buy a game from EA for say £20 without this pass to get the online.
Because I decided to buy it pre-owned I now have to pay an extra £8 or so to get access to the multiplayer.
Well, they can get facked.
I never buy any EA games anyway, only ones I've bought in the last year have been Mass Effect 1 and 2 but this is just making me stay away from anything else they put out there.

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Comment #92 by Isometric
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:42:24 PM
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I haven't read every single comment, but of the ones I've read, nobody's mentioned that this will almost certainly make used game prices for those EA titles drop. It would be pretty cheeky if Gamestop still tried to sell you a used copy of Tiger 11 for $54.99 when they know good and well that your net cost to play the game online will be $5 more than buying new. My guess is that we'll see a corresponding $10 drop in used game prices for the titles in question. Of course, that doesn't do much for Gamefly folks - this move DOES actually hose them.

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Comment #93 by Accel Dance
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:43:00 PM
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Greedy cunts

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Comment #94 by SharpXXShooter
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:45:52 PM
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It's bad enough that they leave out game content from the stuff they are releasing these days. *cough* *cough* Battlefield Bad Company 2 "Free Map packs" that were really just game modes on existing maps, that should have been included in the game in the first place. But don't you fucking dare exclude MULTIPLAYER from your games unless you buy it new. You greedy motherfuckers are all the same. DLC is part of the cancer killing video games. If it were GOOD DLC, then it would actually make the gaming industry stronger. Instead we get this dog shit and expect to be happy about it.

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Comment #95 by josephmcneil
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:48:20 PM
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Not a fan of having to pay a secondary monthly fee. just seems like robbing the poor. Why is it such a big deal to end the used game market? If I can't afford a game when it comes out, I'm not going to buy it anyway for fear that I won't be able to do all I should be able to with it. Lame. And the whole taking servers down? Double Lame. EA now means Eats ---.

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Comment #96 by RaStAReLLs
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 01:49:13 PM
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I wish everyone would stop bashing EA..Look if you owned a. big business like EA you would do the same...if anyones to blame its gamestop...they make a killing off of used games..and companies like EA see no. profit from it..esp after they paid a developer millions to make it..just buy it new..dont be a dumbass like some people who bought bad company 2 used for like 5 dollers cheaper and complain about not having a v.i.p code..preorders are the way to go..u get bonuses on the game for the same come most of u dont get it..this is just a way for EA to protect there investment..and make sure the money is still going into there pocket and not just gamestops.

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Comment #97 by SharpXXShooter
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 02:02:45 PM
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Here's a good business plan for EA. Make better quality games that are fun and aren't full of glitches.
People buy games new when they know they're going to get quality. When they're unsure, or have heard bad things about it, they wait and buy it used.


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Comment #98 by tsydrown
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 02:04:11 PM
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So because i'm using my "free-will" and buying a game at a cheaper price, after the hype has died down and I'M screwing EA? Screw your head back on, re-read the article and then re-comment you plank.

I CHOOSE to wait for certain games to drop in price. I have a house to run, a fiancee & son to support, and have been unemployed for 6 months, thus finances are, unsurprisingly tight at times, especially at present whilst i've been out of work and i'm saving for my wedding. That's not me screwing anyone out of money, that' s me using my "free-will" and common sense, not to mention i'm saving money.

I traded MW2 for BC2, does that mean I screwed EA because they didn't get the full price of the game? No, it doesn't, as "trading" and "2nd hand copies" are completely LEGAL! This is a

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Comment #99 by tsydrown
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 02:04:49 PM
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an abomination, it's not rewarding players for buying it new, it's preventing those on a tighter budget from accessing the content they should otherwise be able to. I agree with the "VIP Codes" 100%, that's a fantastic incentive, and the only reason I got BC2 Brand New, as opposed to Pre-Owned as I did with BC1.

I'm annoyed they've slapped this on Skate 3 at the last friggin' minute, I loved the "Create-a-Spot" feature on Skate 2, but now we have to buy it brand new or purchase a code just to TRADE Skate Parks, Videos & Pictures? Ridiculous!!!

To those who are having a pop at those "complaining" or "moaning", bear in mind, we're not all flush with money, and we considering the quality AND quantity of both Games AND DLC these days, I think buying Pre-Owned, or trading in is a smart id

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Comment #100 by tsydrown
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 02:05:15 PM
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idea, and gives us all the chance to play our favourite games.

I'm lucky i'll be getting Skate 3 brand new (thanks to a lovely fiancee), but FIFA 11, it's not happening if I have to pay extra to play online, I do that with my Gold Subscription to Microsoft.

"EA Sports, it's in the game, you just have to pay extra to actually PLAY it"

So much for EA being better than Activision . . .

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Comment #101 by Flibbity Floid
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 02:16:27 PM
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LMAO!! Wow. As if EA couln't make their name any worse in the Greedy category. Let's charge people who already pay to play online for our shitty servers. EA has THE WORST servers of any online title I've ever played. From NHL to Army of Two. BFBC was the only game that I got into matches in a decent amount of time. Boy am I glad I'm not into any sports games sans NHL. This idea is basically them charging you for an already played and fixed Beta.
Luckily, they won't get my money.

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Comment #102 by misterman08
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 02:24:57 PM
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EA can keep their $10....why should I pay an extra few bucks for a used game that in 3 months they will shut the servers down for anyways?

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Comment #103 by AreUPokey
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 02:30:24 PM
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There are some annoyances with this move sure, but I've never understood people who buy a used game when its only $5-$10 less than a new. I know every dollar counts, but if I'm going to get something that might be in less than pristine condition, its gonna have to be a significant savings.

The bottom line is, games will always drop in price (unless made by Nintendo), so if the $10 is a deal breaker, just wait until the game drops another $10 and there you go.

And the other thing to consider is that Gamestop will have to adjust their used prices to keep up. Once stores like WalMart & Best Buy start dropping the price of a NEW copy, Gamestop will be forced to adjust accordingly. Sure a few clueless people will be duped, but that can be said for all forms of business.

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Comment #104 by TheUglyCasanova
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 02:59:22 PM
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@21 Haha what a queer.

This is such a fucking stupid move on EA's behalf. It shows they don't give a shit about their fans and are purely money grubbing assholes. I'm glad I don't play any sports games whatsoever. It's bad enough they make you buy the SAME game with a few minor tweaks every year, now this?
Poor sports fans, even though I guess most of them probably pick up the same game every year anyway just to see some guys name they idolize in it lol. But if EA starts doing this for other types of games as well youc an be sure I won't touch another one of their products.

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Comment #105 by packers4life12
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:03:42 PM
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i buy ncaa football and, madden every year but if they start to restrict us from the rest of there games. i will cancel my xbox live account. because its pretty much worthless if im having to pay MS for access and then another 10 bucks to pay the game online if i dont feel like the games worth 60 bucks FUCK THAT!

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Comment #106 by packers4life12
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:09:43 PM
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btw i will start to buy games made by activision just because EA wants to be greedy pricks.

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Comment #107 by Mr Drunknspider
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:13:35 PM
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So I see a lot of people on here acting like this is a surprise, EA Has been pulling this shit for years, back when they bought out the NFL rights because 2K made a better and much cheaper football game, which gave us the option of Madden or nothing, which I opted to not buy... ever... Apparently everyone has forgot about the microsoft points for orbs on Dante's Inferno along with the prequel level that took all of 5 minutes to finish, the different skins for the same guns already included on Dead Space, the garbage unlocks on the Godfather, shall I go on....?

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Comment #108 by nicky6314
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:13:47 PM
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This is absolutely ridiculous. I don't buy a ton of used games, or sports games each year for that matter, but this move is horrible. This is just as bad, if not worse than, DLC that is already on the disk, which many complain about. Multiplayer is one of the signature parts of a game, why restrict it?

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Comment #109 by TheUglyCasanova
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:14:20 PM
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There are some hardcore idiots in here. Particularly DeJackso. He's about the only person I've ever heard that thinks it's fine for developers to put stuff on a disk that you buy and make you pay more for? I don't care what stupid way you look at it, if you buy the fucking game you should be able to access any part of it. It's like selling someone a hamburger and then telling them they can't eat the buns because it wasn't part of what they were actually selling.

You're fucking stupid and I bet you get taken for a fool and money in real life way too often if that is how you think things should work.

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Comment #110 by oO CurrY Oo
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:15:19 PM
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So now there going to use this to force people to buy there games new and when the price starts to go down they can just shut down the servers! Brilliant! /sarcasm

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Comment #111 by StillTIPPIN187
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:17:42 PM
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man what a great fucking idea!

Microsoft can charge money for us playing games online.. and then EA can be like.. well you can play this game on microsofts online untill you give us some money.

fuckin brilliant!

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Comment #112 by Skar46137
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:21:36 PM
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Tsk tsk...bad idea. Won't be buying ANY EA games in the future if this goes ahead. I'm no business expert, but if you want to make more money, make a better product instead of laying people off, shutting servers down and charging more for your product. You can only entice people to part with their money with a great product, not force them ;)

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Comment #113 by darewind
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:37:03 PM
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This is just the beginning of a much worse plan.They will use this plan to test the waters and after a year or two (if that long) they will introduce the MMO style online plan.Where we have to pay a monthly or hourly fee to access the multiplayer.Then they will hit us with microtransactions like hey want a grenade launcher for that new FPS well for $2 you can have it.

I'll just stop buying EA games and buy more XBL arcade games.

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Comment #114 by Kahless34
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:49:18 PM
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If you're all that annoyed at this move how about you start protesting to microsoft, who charge a monthly/annual subscription to access.....nothing, everything on the hub could be just as easily done through a game.

Even stuff like Sky in the UK requires an extra subscription, Twitter, Facebook et al can all be used for free on the PC, so why do we pay for microsoft gold accounts?

Because we think it provides us with a better end product, now suck it up and shut up!

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Comment #115 by Madtown B
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 03:52:14 PM
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This is bad bad bad bad news.... it certainly seems to becoming a slippery slope. Cerberus network was fine, because it was offering free DLC to new purchasers. VIP pass was a little more sketchy because they withhold a significant chunk of the available maps for those that don't have it, and the multiplayer was the big draw for BC2. This is getting out of hand. There are no extra perks for purchasing new. Just a complete slam on used purchasers. This should not happen.

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Comment #116 by FroZeNSouL
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 04:07:20 PM
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right... note to self... only buy games at clearence. Just like this month ^_^

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Comment #117 by THC BLUNTED
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 04:14:54 PM
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Sounds like the government with the way EA operates.

They have something that is failing(Sales of their new games). Instead of evaluating the situation and maybe try to make their products better, they blame the customer and its competition(other pubs or places like gamestop). This is a company that only cares about itself and doesnt care about its customers. Thats not a company I want to do business with.

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Comment #118 by pauly_27
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 04:20:05 PM
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For anyone who hasn't seen it, here is a quick Q&A about the online pass:

Basically, all this "premium content" for Tiger Woods boils down to an "On demand news ticker" (which we alreday got for free in sports games like FIFA) user content we create ourselves (charging us for being creative, oh wow) and a free fucking club.

I especially like the last sentence in the interview (and I quote)

"I don’t think even the harshest cynic can argue with that and instead I think fans will see the value we’re committing to deliver when they see all the services, features and bonus content that is extending the life of their products."

Yeah right. Fuck you EA.

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Comment #119 by ril14ey
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 04:51:08 PM
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Seems that if they doing nothing about the online ach's and regular closing of servers, this is bad for the gamer.
If by some miracle they i)improve game quality, ii)little or none online ach's and iii)stop closing servers. This will be a good thing, but im a cynical bastard and cant see this happening any time soon

As mentioned above, Id be surprised if other publishers dont do the same. Not just online, but like BC2 vip passes.

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Comment #120 by crunchb3rry
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:36:24 PM
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Gamestop should fight back against this assault on their used game market and just tell EA they won't carry their games anymore. Shut EA out for a month or two until their stock value drops so low that they have to get rid of this "VIP token" bullshit and come back on their hands and knees.

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Comment #121 by JGar77
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:43:23 PM
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I mostly buy games used, but I don't buy too many sports games. I understand why EA is doing this, but it is not a quality idea. Gamers who buy the games used should not be penalised, gamers who buy the game new should be rewarded with bonus materials or specific content (that will not affect achievements of course). Used games may be related to video game price increases, but if a company were to create a quality game at a lower price (let's say $29.99-39.99 instead of $59.99), people would WANT to buy it new, just because, at that price, you could afford the better quality and freshness of a new game, rather than scramble to save a minor $5-10 bucks because the game is already a whopping $60. Some games have dared to release a game at $49.99, but most of these games are crappy and unnoti

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Comment #122 by DSM_DARKSIDE
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:47:12 PM
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thats it for me for EA im not buying anymore EA titles from taking there games off line so u cant get ur chievos to removing a heap of arcade games off marketplace and now this
why dont they just kick you in the balls every time you buy a game

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Comment #123 by TBonePhone
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 05:58:26 PM
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As long as what they are holding back isn't achievement related, I don't have a real problem with this. The majority of the sports games I buy that are a few years old are just for the achievements. If it's a game/sport I truly enjoyed, I'd have no problem buying it new.

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Comment #124 by Kinney76
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:18:27 PM
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Obviously this is terrible for Gamefly achievement whores like myself. I'm certainly not willing to pay $10 per game to get those awful multiplayer achievements. This is really disappointing.

Hoping to god that they don't employ this strategy outside of their sports games, but I think the writing is on the wall.

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Comment #125 by True Marvellous
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:45:29 PM
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All the people slagging EA off, take a step back and take a reality check, how dare they want to make money how dare they.!!!!!

All you people saying I'm not buying another EA game, well I don't see what your actually boycotting.

If you buy new anyhow then this wont affect you so whats the beef.

If you do buy second hand then EA wont be bothered about your boycott as hey don't see a penny from you anyhow!!!

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Comment #126 by Gottle
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 06:55:11 PM
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Business?!? What about EA servers closing during season, like Fifa 09 servers? I decided to exclude ea titles from my list. This news consolidated my prerogative.
Thank you EA

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Comment #127 by Gottle
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:32:40 PM
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EA has a lot of $DLC
So basically, if less people play their games (killing rental and 2nd hand market), less people will buy $DLC.
AND, if i find a nice EA title for less than 20€ and a nice title from another developer for the same price (both new), be sure i'll not buy EA title, even if i would probably enjoy it ;)

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Comment #128 by JAD
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:38:15 PM
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I wanted to buy Fifa 11 day 1 and get NHL 11 and Madden later used.

Guess I won't be buying anything after all. I'm not willing to pay 20$ for content that's already on the disc.

Even though i'd get acess to online as i was about to get Fifa 11 day1 the fact that i'd have to pay 20$ for the other two pisses me off that i won't be getting anything. So screw you EA... I'm switching back to Pro Evolution Soccer.

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Comment #129 by blkalleykat
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:39:19 PM
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They started doing something similar like this with the saboteur, mass effect 2, and bad company 2. Free dlc 4 a new game purchase.

I have no issues with it but if you buy used games or rent them just be rdy to pay to pay online if not don't worry. I don't get why ppl are getting so worked up over an issue they can avoid. Your cash speaks 4 itself

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Comment #130 by pauly_27
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:43:45 PM
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@ #125

So because they want more money, the average joe has to get screwed over because they can't afford to buy every game new? Might I also point out that you can't even swap games amongst your friends with this particular feature? It's a one off code - It will probably be linked to one account, which means family members won't even be able to enjoy it on another profile.

Your viewpoint of "hey, it's a business, they have to make their money" is exactly the reason we are at this point now - too many people willing to bend over backwards and continue buying DLC and let companies charge whatever they want for what used to be simply bonus unlockables.

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Comment #131 by IAMTHEBISHOP
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 07:56:37 PM
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good thing I but most of my games new good idea EA

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Comment #132 by JAD
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:19:00 PM
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I bet you guys who support EA for this would go mad if some car manufacturer would say something like: "if you buy our car new you'll get an activation code to be able to use the air con and even turn on the radio and listen to some music... for all those who got a used car we offer to activate these options for you for 100$"

I mean wtf?

Are you serious?

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Comment #133 by The Remdizzle
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 08:42:52 PM
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good points from both sides, though the ones from the "fuck you EA" side make a lot more sense to me. this is a shitty deal, now paying for something that used to be free... it should be the opposite way. like with most cell phone providers we don't pay roaming or long distance anymore... or remember the N64 rumble pack? now all of our game controlers have built in rumble. whether it is their right to fuck consumers over or not, the $10 plan is backwards, and only benefits one side of the consumer/publisher relationship...

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Comment #134 by Thunderhorse31
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 10:25:38 PM
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#132, that's a pretty shitty analogy. A better example would be that a new car comes with a warranty, a used one does not (generally speaking). If you want that extended warranty, guess what? You pay extra. If you bought the car new, it would have been standard.

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Comment #135 by JAD
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:00:50 PM
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134 i'm being asked to pay for something that is already implemented. So it's your analogy that doesn't rly compare to what EA is trying to do.

Do the games have the multiplayer stuff on the disc already? yeah they do... will i have to pay extra money to acess that content although it should have been for free if i get the games used? yeah i will...

Your extended warranty example would fit if it was DLC or limited edition content we are talking about... but it's not. It's the basic stuff i'll be missing if i get the games used.

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Comment #136 by Captain3Beers
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:26:32 PM
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Wow. This thread just keeps going....awesome opinions you guys. If you feel that strongly against it...Tell EA!

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Comment #137 by J&JRacing1948
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:37:12 PM
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The price difference between a new game & a used is on average about $5. So this is either going to backfire and hurt EA or its going to hurt Gamestop and others.

I see it as a lose, lose situation.

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Comment #138 by solus909
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 11:48:30 PM
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I'm on the fence on this one.

On one hand, I don't like it because I see it as EA double-dipping ie. getting paid multiple times for the same item. Once the game is sold, EA gets paid and it's a done deal, it doesn't matter if the original owner or any other owners are playing it or using the online service.

On the other hand, games change hands fast (ie getting a used copy of MW2 the day after launch) and it doesn't really seem right that EA can't get a piece of the $1.1 billion Gamestop pie.

I DO know that every game company with online play will be doing this within 2 years now that EA has broken the ice.

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Comment #139 by Hustlinonradio
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 12:24:52 AM
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so you can try to find any deals that have the game cheaper and since it is new sports titles which the price goes down really fast could not find the patience to wait until the price was cheaper new so it would be benefiting both parties?

You are forcing upon yourself with your desperate need of getting the games at launch to get it used and this is why EA doesn't care about your economic situation because you are not helping thiers

Oh and by the way if you don't buy another game from EA as it seems it would have most likely be a used copy. Then EA wouldn't get the money anyway so you can complain away

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Comment #140 by Tidus755
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 12:55:34 AM
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This is why I hate EA and Gamestop.

Gamestop doesn't give a fuck about "Project Ten Dollars" because they don't give a fuck about their customers. Of course they'll support it if it lets them sell used games (that they sell $5 less than new games) + a $10 DLC card lol.

It's sad to see that ever since the Gaming Industry has started to get important, publishers hide less and less the fact that they are merely greedy, shameless pigs.

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Comment #141 by Andreas_loel
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 01:29:28 AM
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EA seriously fuck off and die already, cant wait for you to fall.
Havent bought a sports game in ages but this is just fucking retarded, but then what can you expect from a company that rather make harry potter games then make something different.

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Comment #142 by jtr1gg3r
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 02:14:08 AM
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well the only EA sports game I buy i

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Comment #143 by jtr1gg3r
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 02:15:05 AM
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the only game I get is Fifa, and I pre-order that so Im safe

still a complete shit take tho

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Comment #144 by ssgoku2425
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 02:48:23 AM
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Really!!! they are having shitty problems with their simple dlc yet they have the nerve to start charging $10 dollars for online features of these upcoming sports games? LMAO they are as stupid as they sound. Goddamn idiots!

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Comment #145 by ssgoku2425
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 02:56:33 AM
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@ kahless34
we are not ingnorant of the fact my friend. We can care less of the business of a company who's business is to give us crap. Trying to rob people of money that is hard earned.

with AOT 40th daypeople might say well achievements are not everything. Thats all fine and well, but if a "business sells a product and says this is whant u get for this price and states new levels, new achievements, etc. And you PAY for it... that's what u should get. It pains me to see how they will fuck this up. I'm sorry but that's the way it is, cuase that is what they have been doing. They can scream its business all they want to but what it boils down to is.... you do not give what we pay for!!

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Comment #146 by SinfulEvolution
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 04:42:48 AM
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I loath EA with a passion and I refuse to buy their shitty rehashed sports franchise games simply by the fact that each one is the same as the last and the EA server life is shorter than flea's dick. I don't buy used games and I never get rid of the games I do buy and even I think this kind of shit is evil. It's sad how many people will still support EA and buy the games that implement this shit EA is trying to pull.

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Comment #147 by LovableCrazee
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 05:05:48 AM
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@21 I completely agree.

Looks like I won't be buying these games after all. Thanks EA, you made my decision very easy.

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Comment #148 by BlackWaltz
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 06:48:19 AM
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Less Madden the better as far as I see it. I mean really no one should ever play a game like this you can go out and play foozball. There are much better games that could be being played.

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Comment #149 by boond0ck 83
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 08:54:44 AM
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More bullshit from EA, they are seriously wearing me out with all their bullshit. First of all if there gonna charge for online, maybe they should make it work first, dont' ya think, the last like 5 EA games I've played the online has been fucked from the get go. BURN IN HELL EA, YOU SUCK

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Comment #150 by jaysfan14
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 09:07:36 AM
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This is ridiculous. For every item sold, there is a used market. How do you think ebay became so big? It is stupid that they are that greedy. If they want money, make better games. It costs $60 for a game new, which is a lot. Maybe if they didn't charge so much people would buy new. And can you imagine if auto companies did the same thing? It would be insane, especially since the used car market is the largest of any. It is bull that EA can get away with this.

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Comment #151 by Z0DIAC1
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 09:46:41 AM
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EA doesn't make enough money? Do they have a golf competitor for Tiger Woods or a football one for Madden?
What about the games like AO2 TFD that they initially put out and it was fine, then they brought their money-making DLC and fucked up anyone wanting to complete it. 10 dollars extra to them is padding their wallets, definitely not ensuring customer quality. Need for Speed Carbon? Pro Street? Ghostbusters? Do you really want to pay them any extra?

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Comment #152 by thai42o
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 09:55:32 AM
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So how is Microsoft letting EA get away with charging us again for the same thing we pay $50 a year for to Microsoft?


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Comment #153 by Z0DIAC1
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 10:01:00 AM
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As far as Madden is concerned, does anyone remember how good Madden 05 was when EA wasn't the only shark in the tank? When they brought that franchise to next-gen they started with the fucked up edition of 06 then they have made improvements(?) every year to keep us buying it? They had a good game and if they would have improved on 05 instead of Xbox 360 Madden 06 then no future company could touch them now.

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Comment #154 by HELLuSINation
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 10:11:07 AM
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Wow. This is complete bullshit. I no longer support EA at all.

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Comment #155 by JAD
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 10:29:49 AM
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You know what EA... i used to buy some of your titles brandnew. From now one I'm just going to buy preowned ones if i rly want one of your games. And i highly doubt i'll ever spend 10$ just to play on your shitty servers. Almost every game running on EA servers has major issues.

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Comment #156 by Safad0
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 10:32:23 AM
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Interesting. I called for this in a gamespot Soapbox post of mine back in July of 2009.

Commandment number 7

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Comment #157 by Safad0
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 10:32:44 AM
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Comment #158 by G3N3TIC FoX
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 11:49:41 AM
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is unacceptable to make such a thing, hoping that other publishers do not follow the concept.

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Comment #159 by Z0DIAC1
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 12:10:30 PM
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@155, I completely agree, I can't remember the last EA online game that I played that I didn't experience lag or being booted to the dashboard or the infamous message of either "Can't connect to EA servers at this time" or "EA servers are unavailable" I would come closer to paying Ubisoft than EA, I don't experience near as much bullshit with them.

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Comment #160 by psych0 j1m
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 12:35:52 PM
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Sadly this is all business. EA had net losses in both 08 and 09 and they are probably trying to turn that around by doing this "Ten Dollar Program" whether it works or not is strictly up to the consumer.

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Comment #161 by Flibbity Floid
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 01:43:55 PM
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The point of this being so negative is that A) Game companies are not in such financial debt that this has to happen - Hence it's ONLY EA. B) Who's to say this won't be followed by others like 2K Games and even worse, if it stretches to other genres like FPS's and so on? C) Then, what about rentals? Other companies? It's only something that's going to spiral out of control and then there's the retards who just won't see the big deal like that idiot who's attempting to sue gamestop b/c he bought a used product thinking "no one will use the DLC, I can get it cheap!" and he got f*cked out money and now he's making a mockery out of his stupidity. I already pay $5 a month to play online, thank you MS so EA can kiss the darkest part of my little white ass. My money goes to Valve, R* or Ubisoft

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Comment #162 by SBustathedog
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 02:10:48 PM
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Seems like an intelligent on a business view point. Obviously not if they make loads of money but we don't know how much profit they are making on each game.

On a gamer view point, this sucks. Sucks ALOT.

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Comment #163 by Nekro Neko
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 02:27:47 PM
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If games were released at £20 and not £50 then I would spend more on games. As it stands, I refuse to spend over £35 for a new game which I consider it being fun. Second hand games I buy for between £5 and £15. None of that money goes to the developers which is sad, but that's business. If they had released it at £20 I would have bought it. I also rent, games companies make a small slice in profits via rentals. Though I do believe it is a one off gain and not rolling depending on number of rentals.

I think media as a whole is too expensive, and this extra cost is totally unnecessary, it will harm sales and online populations. All this to pay for their servers? What's to stop EA closing a games server a day after you pay extra to play online? There needs to be a watchdog for thes

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Comment #164 by francisrossi
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 02:34:32 PM
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I have no problem with the free DLC given away, like the Stone Prisoner or the Cerberus Network (although I'm annoyed none of the other accounts on my 360 can use it, despite it being on the hard drive thanks to it being a one-use code - surely buying the game NEW, not USED, should have given us a full DLC code to use on Live?). I do have a problem with restricting actual features of the game. It's not an Arcade trial, it's the full disc. Are Microsoft, who already charge for online gaming, and Sony, who make a point about providing free online gaming, okay with EA pulling this sort of stunt?

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Comment #165 by True Marvellous
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 05:31:15 PM
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@154 if it effects you you didn't support them any how.

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Comment #166 by Dejackso
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 05:39:48 PM
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@109 TheUglyCasanova

I'm hardly stupid and I also didn't say that I agree with them doing it. I did say that they were well within their right to do so. You have the option to buy it or not, but I (unlike you) am smart enough to know what I am purchasing before I buy it. I know what comes with my game and what doesn't.

As for your lame hamburger argument: It is a fallacy. In my example, the hamburger you purchase does NOT come with the buns. You can make the decision to purchase it or not. The game does NOT come with the ability to play that content, so you can not play it.

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Comment #167 by Dejackso
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 05:43:01 PM
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@109 TheUglyCasanova

Furthermore, the reality of the situation agrees with my interpretation. They have been doing it for a few years now and people still make their own decisions whether to purchase it or not. I don't take issue with you for not agreeing with what they do (I don't like it either)...I take issue with idiots who complain about it like they deserve the content. The seller chooses what they sell and the buyer chooses what they buy. It's VERY simple. The simple fact is that the consumer chooses what to buy and it is their responsibility to know what they buy. It is pretty simple: if you think you are getting shafted, then DON'T BUY IT.

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Comment #168 by Dejackso
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 05:48:54 PM
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To clarify: (109 TheUglyCasanova)
1) I don't have any problem with EA doing this
2) I don't have any problem with people not supporting EA
3) I don't have any problem with Gamestop selling used games
4) I don't have any problem with people buying used

I DO have a problem with the entitlement that some gamers feel. It's a free market. The seller chooses what to sell, the buy chooses what to buy, and either the two agree on terms of sale or not. It works like that in almost every industry. Ex:Wal-mart chooses to sell censored CDs. I hate censorship. I do not purchase music from Wal-mart. I can either find another way to purchase what I want OR I can choose to do without that CD. Either way, the world still revolves.

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Comment #169 by Boots Orion
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 11:08:09 PM
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A few issues:

1) Since people will be paying extra for online service...does this mean that they won't shut the servers down for Tiger 11 onward (and other 2011 EA Sports games). EA (& 2K) has a reputation for shutting servers down for their sports games.

2) From what I understand, EA is the only company that can do this since they control their own servers. Other companies do not. Probably EA can do this because they are so big. If I'm wrong here, ignore, but I've read this on a few forums.

3) I buy towns of used games, hardly ever do I buy a new one - so this affects me. However, EA has said that they will give a 7-day trial with each game. Meaning, if people want to demo a game before buying it (makes sense - sort of) then they will still have full-access for a week. So,

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Comment #170 by Boots Orion
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 @ 11:11:31 PM
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Sorry for the double post...but why do my posts always get chopped off? I wrote more after "So,".

Anyway....what I mean in point two above (#169) is that Microsoft controls the server functionality for most games...excluding EA games.

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Comment #171 by Darth Taral
Saturday, June 12, 2010 @ 12:34:03 PM
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@61 you got it right on the head that happened with me and Mass Effect2 I bought the game for my wifes birthday she input all the codes that came with the game and I got screwed out of them. So for households they are going to have to pay extra money for more than one account to use all of the features. Same thing happend with me in BFBC2 aswell. My wife bought the game for me I input the vip code and she got screwed. So this year alone becuase we have one system and two accounts I have bought the MassEffect2 game and an extra Cerberus Network code, and BFBC2 and an extra VIP code. So Each game cost my household seventy-two dollars plus tax. So lord only knows what games are going to cost if the household has multiple kids like you said.

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