Shift 2: Unleashed
Shift 2: Unleashed Dev Declares: "I Wouldn't Hire Anyone With Less Than 20,000 Gamerscore"
Written Thursday, May 12, 2011 By Richard Walker
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If you've ever suspected that achievements and gamerscore are ultimately pointless, think again, as Shift 2: Unleashed's Design Lead, Andy Tudor has revealed that he wouldn't employ anyone "with less than 20,000 gamerscore" to work at developer Slightly Mad Studios.

"It's absolutely critical," Tudor told, pertaining more to games developers having a passion for video games, rather than simply having an inflated gamerscore. " shouldn't even be a conscious decision as a games designer," Tudor continued. "You should naturally have a passion and love for both playing games (I wouldn't hire anyone with less than 20,000 Xbox gamerscore), dissecting and analysing them, and being pro-active and investigative about the competition."

So, if you ever wanted to work for Shift 2: Unleashed developer Slightly Mad Studios, you'd better keep playing games and bagging those achievements. Should gamerscore really be used as a measurement of a gamer's passion though? "Whilst watching movies doesn't necessarily make you a good director (Tarantino excepted), it gives you an encyclopaedia of knowledge of past experience, trends, expectations, and predictions," Tudor noted.

Well, we're covered with our employable gamerscore level. Are you?

[Via GamerZines]


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Comment #1 by LeeJ2512
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 07:47:22 AM
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yep im covered

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Comment #2 by JakeyIncarnate
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 07:48:26 AM
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I'd get hired over you though ^^ ehehehehehehehe

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Comment #3 by ademlakey
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 07:48:58 AM
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who would want to work for them anyway, making horrible games like that.

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Comment #4 by EscoBlades
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 07:49:02 AM
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Where do i sign? LOL!

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Comment #5 by Barad
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 07:49:08 AM
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That's pretty messed up I reckon, achievements shoudn't be able to matter atall towards gaming..

OH well I'm cover by 5 times :P

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Comment #6 by Wicelow
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 07:51:04 AM
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Just for fun, I'm gonna find their address and send an application !

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Comment #7 by O0mix0O
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 07:52:57 AM
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Stallion83 would be alright at this company :P

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Comment #8 by dark quasar
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 07:56:24 AM
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@6 i think you should

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Comment #9 by Convas
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:00:48 AM
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Hopes and Dreams? Smashed. Thanks a lot Slightly Mad.

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Comment #10 by GamesB2
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:01:09 AM
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I think when I finally apply for a job in the games industry, I'm going to include my gamerscore on my CV.

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Comment #11 by Its Fooga
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:06:20 AM
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I guess this is alright. I don't know. When I see things like this it reminds me of kids on the xbox forums with inflated gamerscore/egos saying "I'd rape you at any game, but I won't play with you unless you have over 100k".

With that being said, I think you should hire people based off of work experience, not a fake number like every other game company has been for the past 30 years.

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Comment #12 by Caramel Cardinal
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:06:51 AM
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now if only all employers did that, somehow i doubt that putting the day i hit 40k was the best day of my life or putting that my ambition is tp unlock seriously would help me any where else ;(

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Comment #13 by The Dutch Pinyo
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:13:48 AM
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I guess they are slightly mad...

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Comment #14 by Evo Kazz
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:14:41 AM
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I think I would make the cut then!

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Comment #15 by Corpse87
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:19:22 AM
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Capital Douche!!!!! Like achievements mean anything anything in the real world!

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Comment #16 by L0cke89
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:23:59 AM
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I hope EA's marketing department thinks the same after I finish college ;P

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Comment #17 by Teh Phantomz
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:25:42 AM
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Look at the name of the studio, nuff' said.

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Comment #18 by Boro Iz Rich
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:33:41 AM
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Well FU too then...

I'll just go work at Bioware or Ubisoft... Ya'know. Two companies who make quality games...

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Comment #19 by stophj
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:33:47 AM
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From personal experience I can tell you it's a two way street while he may say he would look for someone with 20,000 plus it's also likely they will turn away those with 200,000 I've been told I must be kind of a loser fir having the gamerscore I have by multiple industry people. My gamertag is no longer on my gaming based jobs resume. Your honestly better off to just leave that out of it entirely.

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Comment #20 by pined5551
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:37:33 AM
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Shift 2 is brilliant!

But a developer who is this stupid angers me!

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Comment #21 by SuperWoody64
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:44:32 AM
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NFS is turning into THPS, I could almost get 20,000GS from this series alone.

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Comment #22 by jeffy x360a
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:45:44 AM
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maybe they should release DLCs with more than 35g and 80g to help us then.

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Comment #23 by GR4V1G0R3
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 08:54:07 AM
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what if said applicant was a PS3 owner, would they go through the trophies and see if it totalled 20,000 worth of achievements, or do they not want anybody who has a ps3

just curious, i own both now, and still haven't turned on my ps3, my 58k (ish) should be fine though :P shame i'm too lazy to care ;)

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Comment #24 by Vindicator51
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 09:03:54 AM
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Looks like i'd fit in then as well. Obviously you need more experience than playing games.

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Comment #25 by SWAGGART
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 09:04:22 AM
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Im in wheres the application lol

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Comment #26 by TakahashiDemon
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 09:28:16 AM
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Cool, maybe they'll hire me XD you need a ton of other things other than 20,000 GS though. This was a fun read.

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Comment #27 by DanielH
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 09:48:04 AM
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@25. me to. look at my Gamerscore

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Comment #28 by Vigor
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 09:49:56 AM
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This statement explains the handling of the game, what a bullshit.

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Comment #29 by ViNyLek
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 10:15:41 AM
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This must be the dumbest thing I have heard. I know coming from someone like me it sounds stupid, but I also play on PS3 and even more on PC, so even if I had 5K from say 360 excllusives I would still have more gaming knowledge than say guy that has those 20K.

This dude should check his head, seriously....

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Comment #30 by sanger
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 10:23:38 AM
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I could see this statement coming from someone who works at Microsoft's Xbox division, but from someone at EA is ridiculous. It's also ridiculous that someone with 20,000 is considered a gamer that has checked out the competition. If he said 20,000 gamerscore from racing games only, it'd be credible as that is not an easy feat, but to have overall 20,000 is achievable in just 2-3 days given the right games. I've gotten 6000 in 5 hours on my friend's profile using a US Xbox and Japan Xbox (and this was not even using Avatar: TLA)

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Comment #31 by the real a 0bsolete
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 10:24:30 AM
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i think its a great idea. you could get 20k in less than 6 months. its not like they're asking for 100k

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Comment #32 by elsnoggler
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 10:33:35 AM
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Notice the "pertaining more to games developers having a passion for video games, rather than simply having an inflated gamerscore."

Not to call anyone out, but I know a handful of people who are 100k gs+ players that don't really seem to enjoy video games much at all, and certainly don't have a passion for them. They've just become hooked on getting more gamerscore.

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Comment #33 by mawpp
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 10:44:55 AM
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So rent a couple of basketball games and they'll hire you. Good to know.

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Comment #34 by Off The WaLL
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 10:49:22 AM
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I bet he was talking about racing games.

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Comment #35 by Rickmassacre
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 11:31:29 AM
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damn 515g left til 20k :(

lol :(

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Comment #36 by ZedChuva
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 11:37:27 AM
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That's kind of closed minded. I've got 55,000, but only 1 hundred something in Shift... mostly, cause it's a shit SIM game... I HATE SIM racers. So, would I get taken over some guy with 8,000, but all 8,000 in NFS games and racers? I hope not.

Eh, they can keep their job, I've got my sights set higher. :D

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Comment #37 by StillTIPPIN187
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 11:44:08 AM
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wth is up with the thumbs down? what the hell did those users at the top say to piss you off?

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Comment #38 by williamsjohn83
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 12:55:58 PM
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Slightly mad the way they do this! Lol

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Comment #39 by TommyD758
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 01:19:01 PM
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Makes sense. I wouldn't hire someone to work at pizza pizza if they hated pizza.

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Comment #40 by Contender19
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 01:59:26 PM
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I'd just make the cut!

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Comment #41 by Sean1234
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 02:10:33 PM
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I'd rather work at a good company like Bioware, Ubisoft, Splash Damage, Bethesda, or EPIC. But I wouldn't be very good anyway.....

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Comment #42 by Xero Link
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 02:29:59 PM
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I agree, you would want someone who plays a lot of games. Not just for score, but games for their story and their game play. You'd want someone who knows what works and what didn't...and why it didn't...easy way to see if a game was crap check someones gamer score. I mean if they liked the game , chances are they at least finished it and tried to get a lot of the achievements...if they didn't they either felt the challenge of the achievements were too tough...or didn't like that said game. I don't do a games extra achievements if I don't feel the game is fun. I wont go the extra mile to get 1000/1000 if they are really really tough either simply because its a way to relax not get totally stressed out, you want your players to enjoy them selves and buy the sequel, not microwave their copy of the game...

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Comment #43 by zoidberg1339
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 02:39:53 PM
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Oh yeah, 44440. I really like having 4 4s but I have LA Noire on pre-order so it probably won't last for long.

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Comment #44 by ThoracicKez
Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 02:53:54 PM
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Achievements don't really reflect how good you are at a game, for example my friend has 1000g for call of duty 4,5,6 and 7 but i am much better than him, I just can't be bothered with zombies or campaigns on veteren

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Comment #45 by xboxshadowfox
Friday, May 13, 2011 @ 08:21:31 AM
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I understand where these guys are coming from, I studied at Qantm doing a Bachelor of Interactive Entertainment- Majoring in Games Design and i found that 75% of the people studying games hardly played games if not at all. That makes me sad and scared for the future of gaming.

Its no wonder there are so many games that fail there potential and it usually comes down to the fact that some of the people who make these games dont have the passion for games nor the knowledge of what makes games go from mediocre to memorable.

I think more companies should have this policy as I believe it betters the chances for a greater game.

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Comment #46 by Phenoviral
Friday, May 13, 2011 @ 01:55:28 PM
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Wow. A high gamerscore is just as reflective on how long you're had an account and how many games you've played as it is on your skill or passion about gaming.

They should really be looking to see that you've earned some difficult achievements, rather than just lots of crappy ones.

But, hell, that's just me, I guess. I never understood the appeal of buying crap games for the sole purpose of getting 1000 points if I wont even enjoy earning them.

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Comment #47 by SatNiteEduardo
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 @ 12:55:44 AM
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20k is not too high though. They should look at other things as well like completion ratio, types of games played, longevity. The number itself means very little.

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Comment #48 by SzilardUK
Friday, May 20, 2011 @ 09:22:14 AM
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Heh. At the same time he probably would not employ anyone above 40k too... ;)

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Comment #49 by Phenoviral
Monday, June 06, 2011 @ 07:00:08 AM
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Why.. would you think that..?

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Comment #50 by Pakhair
Friday, September 02, 2011 @ 03:28:33 AM
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It's nothing wrong. They only want to see what kind of games the person play, Surely there will be tons of more things but It ain't anything wrong to see someone's Xbox, PSN or Steam account to see what they play and like

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