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Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Deus Ex: Human Revolution's Boss Battles Were Outsourced
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Developers often choose to outsource parts of their games to other studios, whether it's the multiplayer bits or one particular aspect of a game in general, and as it happen, Eidos Montreal outsourced Deus Ex: Human Revolution's boss battles to a studio called GRIP Entertainment.

Eidos Montreal still had some input in creating the boss battles, and made the ultimate decision to incorporate them into the game, but for some players, they simply didn't cut the mustard at all and they were widely criticised. There's a video featuring GRIP Entertainment's President and and Founder, Dr. Paul A. Kruszewski, who talks about the team's approach to creating Human Revolution's boss encounters, with insight into balancing issues and working with Eidos Montreal.

Despite arguably being the weakest part of Deus Ex: Human Revolution, we didn't think that the boss battles were all that bad, although they certainly could have been a lot better than they were. Check out the video to find out more, then once you've watched that, there's a second video [via Ripten] to watch that mashes up Deus Ex with Ghost in the Shell, just for a bit of fun. Enjoy!

[Via Game Informer]





 
 

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Comment #1 by macd
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:19:30 AM
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Haven't finished Deus Ex yet, only actually done one boss. It seemed okay, but now I won't hold out hope for the rest of the bosses.


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Comment #2 by The Duke of Darkness
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:24:32 AM
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@1 The first boss was okay but they get worse with each one imo.


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Comment #3 by jamie1000013
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:29:03 AM
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How does a guy become a doctor when he works with video games lol.

Never heard of companies doing this before except for Modern Warfare 3 where 3 or so departments are doing different aspects of the game.


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Comment #4 by Arron114
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:29:45 AM
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They reminded me of MGS. You spend half your time sneaking around then bam! Iv got some skinhead throwing granades at me and climbing over walls.

Should have give them a miss if you ask me.


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Comment #5 by plum
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:30:19 AM
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I have done all boss battles and defeated each one in 15 to 30 secs,if you have the pre order stuff just use that,the Semtex and the grenade launcher.bit disappointed on how easy


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Comment #6 by shadowfeeder
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:32:04 AM
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I was majorly pissed off during the first and second boss encounter (just 1 EMP grenade on the first one, and 2 frag mines on the second, no Typhoon, no gas/electricity immunity).
Decided to load an old save just to get Typhoon on the second boss, made my life a whole lot easier.
On Give Me Deus Ex of course. :)

Ghost in the Shell edit was cute.


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Comment #7 by Fishcracker
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:41:02 AM
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ahhh Batou..always badass


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Comment #8 by Equipment
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:41:44 AM
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The boss battles were a major miss step for me. They felt so out of place and really weren't very 'Deus Ex-ish'. The original didn't need them, so why add them now?


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Comment #9 by Evo Kazz
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:51:08 AM
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Never even crossed my mind, this game aint about flashy boss battles, they worked out fine, this game was amazing.


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Comment #10 by Dirty130
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:52:38 AM
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Totally piss-weak Boss Battles taking place in such a high calibur game.


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Comment #11 by Brengun
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:53:21 AM
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To be fair the boss battles were shit. Especially if you played the game sneaking around and didn't have a massive armoury. I think some developers are too scared to release a game without boss battles. In this game they are just out of context.


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Comment #12 by matt schwindt
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:54:19 AM
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ditto. only thing worse than the boss battles was beating the game and finding out that the hundreds of reloads you did didn't get you the foxiest of the hounds! :(


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Comment #13 by Space Cadet
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:55:58 AM
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Huuuge mistake.


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Comment #14 by Starkweather
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 07:36:19 AM
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I actually enjoyed the boss battles but then again this was my first proper Deus Ex game, i owned original PC one but my specs sucked.

I will play through it a few more times and look forward to DLC. I was kind of annoyed i didn't get Foxiest of Hounds as it was the only i didn't get but game is worth playing again.


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Comment #15 by bloodswan
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 07:45:02 AM
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Yeh I agree with what a few people have said. The first boss was pretty good but the others weren't as good though I didn't find them terrible they could have been better I guess.


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Comment #16 by ThrustfulSteve
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 07:47:52 AM
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@3 ~ You can be a doctor of anything if you work hard enough at it. I work with a professor of magnatism.

OT ~ i did think the boss battles were abit weak compared to the overall game


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Comment #17 by WIng Zero Pilot
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 08:02:10 AM
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That trailer was awesome.


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Comment #18 by L0cke89
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 09:12:56 AM
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That explains soooo much. Still, were Eidso Montreal so under pressure to finally ship the game, that they just went with it. At least next time we know that they will work on the boss battles for sure XD


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Comment #19 by HalfEVILmonkey
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 09:49:53 AM
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The whole game felt outsourced.


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Comment #20 by VladimirK
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 09:51:41 AM
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I'm sorry but that guy in the first video was full of shit.

The bosses are just plain bad in terms of you play through stealthily then get a boss battle where you have no option but to fight them face-to-face.
So like for me the first boss was awful because I had just been carrying a silenced pistol that I could head-shot enemies and then sneak off but then I'm stuck in a pretty small room with no really suitable equipment or augmentations against this guy that was able to kill me in hardly any hits.

I think the guy form the video describe the fault very well when he said about he is more into shooters and that he wasn't too sure about any Deus Ex stuff. [Seriously? Somebody that is actually involved with games very regularly and he effectively hasn't played Deus Ex? Wtf?]
Along with this he said about going into the battle with various guns and saying, "Is it fun?". Well, imo, it's not fun because it just doesn't fit with the game to force you into these fights but as well, apparently nobody on the team has ever played Deus Ex or even knew anything about it when they didn't point this out.


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Comment #21 by X KNIGHTBREED X
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 10:25:54 AM
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ok theres two parts of this trailer that i havnt seen in the game it self, the part where "Yelena Federova" shoots alot of people and the part where "Berret" powerbombs Adam in the chest... how and where do you access this???


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Comment #22 by sam0hT
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 10:55:11 AM
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I didn't have a problem with the bosses. We've all seen better for sure but they were decent. The guy in the video's right. You can't be panicking. You need to be zen, think about the situation and try different things out.


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Comment #23 by Jack Flak
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 10:56:19 AM
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Except the last one being too easy, I thought they were fine. But then again, I played the whole game loud. :P


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Comment #24 by aosiding
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 11:48:19 AM
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They should make Ghost in the Shell a game


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Comment #25 by Grummy
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 11:48:28 AM
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@#3 When you think of 'Doctor' you think of your local GP sitting in his office telling you you've got a cold and giving you some aspirin. We just call them Doctors because to be a GP, you MUST have a relevant doctorate. Another name for a GP is an MD 'Medicinae Doctor' in Latin, which translates to Teacher of Medicine. We call them Doctor, and yet to correctly differentiate them, we'd be better off calling them Medic instead. A doctorate is a universal qualification, the highest available and ANY subject can have a doctorate.


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Comment #26 by Gilganomics
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 11:49:24 AM
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I remember when I saw the trailer for DXHR, and I thought "the closest I'll get to a good Ghost in the Shell game".

Good to see others could catch the similarities.

Also, sneaking that trailer into this article? That's why I read @X360A.



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Comment #27 by artphobia
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 11:51:50 AM
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Game outsourcing happens a lot more than people believe.


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Comment #28 by Bleeding Star
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 12:42:36 PM
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And the boss battles were undoubtedly the worst part of the entire game and the sole reason I got rid of it


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Comment #29 by Sean1234
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 01:20:20 PM
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I don't hate the boss battles, but I've only done the first two, so I can't say much. I plan on playing this a lot until I can get Gears 3, not that I am finished with my wings on Gears 2.


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Comment #30 by R0Y4LEwitCHEESE
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 01:54:04 PM
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Just me that liked the boss battles then.


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Comment #31 by Dave viking
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 02:44:03 PM
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@21 These clips are apart of the cgi trailer they released for the game before any in-game footage was shown. It was shown at one of the E3 shows I think. You should be able to get the trialer from the market place or try youtube.


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Comment #32 by Lucas McCain
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 03:05:39 PM
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I didn't really care for the boss battles, but they certainly didn't ruin the game for me. I beat each one with some experimentation on the first PT. Beat then all with ease on the second, despite going for all stealth.

Off-topic: Another example of outsourcing was Medal of Honor, which outsourced the multiplayer to Dice.


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Comment #33 by Nekrobutcher
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 03:57:38 PM
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@12 - At least you got the pacifist cheevo. =] Hahahahaaaa


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Comment #34 by wolfzero01
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:36:10 PM
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despite the boss battles sucking, I've beaten the first two really easily, its still a fun game to play


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Comment #35 by TheUglyCasanova
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 07:30:06 PM
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Well that explains while the boss battles were HORRIBLE things that should have never seen the light of day.

I'm on the third one now, and because of a choice I made, my screen is entirely FUBAR'd during the battle and it's annoying enough as it is WITHOUT making my screen all fucked.

Worst decision ever. Really makes the game subpar at best, which is sad as the original is one of my favorite games of all time. Really disappointed with this crapola fest that I might not even finish it and just give it back to blockbuster and wash my hands and mind of the experience.


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Comment #36 by TeAmExTrEmE737
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 09:41:33 PM
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The first boss was the hardest.

Lol.


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Comment #37 by DanielH
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 10:48:16 PM
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got all the way to the The Mantis achievements, anyways died 2 times, but the 3rd time, she Froze In Place after i hit her with a EMP, so i open fired, she still Frozen In Place, then she died, got The Mantis Achivement.

The Bull Achievement, man that was hard. he kept on following me.

at Confronting Sarif Mission.


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Comment #38 by CrownlessKing
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 11:29:52 PM
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I checked out the achievements ahead of time on here so I knew there were boss fights. I was prepared and in all honesty they weren't that hard. I had some trouble with Barrett right away but then I squashed him. Yelena died easily, and surprisingly Namir died to a couple of bullets and grenades, even with my augmentations screwed.


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Comment #39 by Ihazcandy4you
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 01:57:48 AM
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I dont get the crying about the boss battles? Sure they were tough if you played a stealthy character, as I did, but instead of lookng at it as the game punishing you, why not look at it as the game giving you a challenge for playing the very much easier way to play?

Oh wait, I remember, gamers these days don't like a challenge and complain when they get one...


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Comment #40 by DanielH
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 09:53:47 AM
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update: did beat deus ex, got Trooper, anyways The Bull, The Mantis & The Snake achievements kicked my ass, really it did.

on The Bull & The Mantis look @37

The Snake, him with a Hi-NRG Plasma Lance, gas grenades, flash bangs, emps, and not knowing where he is at, tough battle. but i found 1 things there, 5.56mm M404 Heavy Rifle and i brought a Turret with me, turret did the job, beat him

The End achievement, though i died 4 times, but its easy the way i done it: just shoot the pods-shotgun-hold X, hide in the building that the 3 crazy guards come from, use LS-66 Sabre Direct Energy Rifle at her in building, done.

8/10 for me for dues ex, good game


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Comment #41 by DanielH
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 10:05:43 AM
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oh if you're wondering, i maxed out my:

Social Enhancer, Rader System, Infolink, Hacking Capture, Hacking Analyze Add-On, Hacking Fortify, Hacking Steatlh, Sentinel RX Health System, Typhoon Explosive System, Reflex Booster, Icarius Landing System and Smart Vision.



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Comment #42 by oliver4297
Thursday, September 22, 2011 @ 02:16:25 PM
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its a video game not psychology I CANT GET IN PEOPLES "LOOPS"


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Comment #43 by kiskit
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 @ 06:00:43 AM
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I thought each boss got easier as the game progressed. Even in a playthrough with maxed out augs it still seemed each boss got easier as game progressed. By the time I got to final boss it was a joke. Other than the boss fights though, Deus Ex has been one of the most enjoyable games I've played all year & it is just the thing to satisfy while awaiting the Fantastic Fall Lineup!


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Comment #44 by Kerethos
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 @ 03:08:22 PM
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Once you figured out how to beat each boss they were fairly easy, even for my completely stealth focused character, and the design does show as there is a flow to each of the bosses. But it also shows that they are made by people who think "shooter", and not fully Deus Ex, as in the end you need to shoot and/or explode the boss to win.

It would have been cool if you'd had some additional options though, like activating boxguards against Barret, or ways to sneak up on the bosses, beating them without killing them, and so on, rather than just a bunch of ways to shoot/explode them. That said though, they are still quite entertaining, even if they are fairly limited compared to the rest of the game.


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